Mumbai Attacks: Terrorism has no Religion

Mumbai Attacks: Terrorism has no Religion

mumbaihotel-300x211.jpgThe terrorist attacks in Mumbai — which consisted of blasts in at least seven sites and which apparently targeted Westerners — have, as of this writing, claimed over 110 lives and injured a minimum of 300.  Terrorism on this scale has the tendency to engender very common, basic reactions: fear of another attack, concern for those who are at or near the location(s) of the attacks, care for friends or family who may have loved ones affected, disbelief that one set of humans can do this to other humans, and an interest in why the terrorists did what they did.  All these elements were present in the wake of 9/11 and the 7/7 bombings, and I believe have been resurrected again with the Mumbai attacks.

There is another aspect of a response to mass terrorism that I’d like to discuss in this post: the inclination to unfavorably treat those who share characteristics with or bear resemblance to the terrorists.  Following 9/11 and 7/7, Muslims and those perceived to be Muslim were subject to a pervasive and violent backlash.  (As we reported earlier this week, Sikhs in America have been profiled in the airport setting.)  Accordingly, with news accounts suggesting that the Mumbai terrorists are Muslim, some are worried that Muslims in India may face a wave of public and/or private harassment and discrimination.  For example, a colleague who heads a major civil rights organization in America expressed that he was “praying for victims of [the] Mumbai attack[s] and for Muslims in India.”

It should not have to be this way.

In the aftermath of the 7/7 bombings in London, Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, a Sikh, declared:

I do believe that terrorism has no religion, terrorists have no religion and that they are a friend of no religion. No religion in the world preaches atrocities against innocent men, women and children[.] [Link]

He said, similarly, after a terrorist plot in England was foiled, that:

A terrorist is a terrorist and has no religion or community. [Link]

In order to assuage the possibility that Muslims in India will be subject to a backlash, such comments should be repeated by the Indian leadership and others on the world stage.  These statements may not, alone, prevent a backlash, but they may help reorient the people’s emotions to more productive and constructive efforts; and they will indicate that, if the people direct their anger towards Muslims, they are doing so on their own accord, not with the government’s command or approval. (The Indian has, in its past, been rightfully criticized for coordinating and condoning violence against religious minorities — this tradition should end here with the Mumbai blasts.)

More fundamentally, Dr Singh’s comments reflect a view of terrorism that all of us should embrace, namely that terrorists should not be considered members of any religious group or of any human particular community, but should be identified solely as terrorists, even if the terrorists themselves invoke religion or regional policy as a justification for their acts.  In committing the acts, the terrorists have severed their legitimate relationship with religion and with any recognized sovereign.

Accordingly, terrorists are terrorists — they are not “Muslim extremists” or “Islamic fundamentalists.”  The media, however, has consistently portrayed members of al-Qaeda and other terrorists as “Muslims.”  Indeed, yesterday’s front page of The Washington Post noted that the terrorists may be “Muslim extremists.”

While such terminology may be useful for identification purposes, it has the very dangerous effect of conflating “Muslims” with “extremism.”  Accordingly, these terms permit the ordinary public to draw a connection between Muslims and terrorism, and thereby endanger all Muslims by making them a proper target for rage, anger, and suspicion.

A solution would be to identify terrorists as terrorists — this would not only deny them the religious or nationalistic cover and legitimacy they believe they have, but would also shield millions of innocent members of the Muslim faith from violence, discrimination, and harassment.

A reporter, for example, should say that the “terrorists have invoked an interpretation of Islam to justify their actions” or that the “terrorists are reacting to Indian policy that they consider to be harmful to Muslims.”  Such descriptions are accurate, but do not run the attendant risk of suggesting that the universe of terrorists extends to all Muslims.  The mere separation of words in a sentence — from “Muslim extremists” to “terrorists invoking an interpretation of Muslim” — renders it less likely that the public will tie terrorism with all Muslims.

My thoughts, too, are with Muslims in India.  My hope, more generally, is that we collectively recognize that terrorists are terrorists, undeserving of the very religious or national identity that undergirds their conduct.


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124 Responses to “Mumbai Attacks: Terrorism has no Religion”

  1. John Read says:

    While it sounds good to say that terrorism has no religion, the fact is that most terrorism comes from those who profess to believe in Islam.

    The statement that 'not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslim' may not be completely accurate, but it shows a point.

    If Muslims don't want to end up all being painted by the same brush, they'd better start cleaning up their own religion. It is only by tacit support that the Islamic terrorist threat is allowed to flourish. It is not enough to 'disapprove.'

  2. John Read says:

    While it sounds good to say that terrorism has no religion, the fact is that most terrorism comes from those who profess to believe in Islam.

    The statement that ‘not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslim’ may not be completely accurate, but it shows a point.

    If Muslims don’t want to end up all being painted by the same brush, they’d better start cleaning up their own religion. It is only by tacit support that the Islamic terrorist threat is allowed to flourish. It is not enough to ‘disapprove.’

  3. Darry Whit says:

    Thats funny I didnt know that the KKK where Muslims! Are the SkinHeads Muslim, or the IRA?

  4. Darry Whit says:

    Thats funny I didnt know that the KKK where Muslims! Are the SkinHeads Muslim, or the IRA?

  5. Bill says:

    Clearly not all Muslims are terrorists, but Muslim fundamentalists feel they are serving their religion through terrorism. As a practical matter, these heinous acts will continue until Islam AS A WHOLE stands up and denounces terrorism and those who preach it. To date, we hear a few voices against violence, but overall there is a deafening silence. If Muslims expect us to distinguish between the religion in general and the terrorists, they will have to be more vocal and rise up with one united voice against violence. Until then, we have every right to assume that Muslims are silently complicit in terrorism.

  6. Darry Whit says:

    Are the Chinese who oppressed the Buddist Muslim?

  7. Bill says:

    Clearly not all Muslims are terrorists, but Muslim fundamentalists feel they are serving their religion through terrorism. As a practical matter, these heinous acts will continue until Islam AS A WHOLE stands up and denounces terrorism and those who preach it. To date, we hear a few voices against violence, but overall there is a deafening silence. If Muslims expect us to distinguish between the religion in general and the terrorists, they will have to be more vocal and rise up with one united voice against violence. Until then, we have every right to assume that Muslims are silently complicit in terrorism.

  8. Darry Whit says:

    Are the Chinese who oppressed the Buddist Muslim?

  9. Mike O'Risal says:

    It isn't that terrorism has no religion, but that terrorists come in all religious varieties. Instead of these mealy-mouthed "no true Scotsmen" arguments about how Islam isn't associated with terrorism, it's time for the religious people of the world who don't engage in monstrous acts to start confronting whatever it is about their religions — whatever religion it might be — that provides license to the segment of their membership to undertake their faith-based misdeeds.

    Enough excuses. Deal with the problem. It isn't just Islam, but the problem does include that religion.

  10. Mike O'Risal says:

    It isn’t that terrorism has no religion, but that terrorists come in all religious varieties. Instead of these mealy-mouthed “no true Scotsmen” arguments about how Islam isn’t associated with terrorism, it’s time for the religious people of the world who don’t engage in monstrous acts to start confronting whatever it is about their religions — whatever religion it might be — that provides license to the segment of their membership to undertake their faith-based misdeeds.

    Enough excuses. Deal with the problem. It isn’t just Islam, but the problem does include that religion.

  11. Darry Whit says:

    Are the people who created Apartheid Muslim?

  12. Darry Whit says:

    Are the people who created Apartheid Muslim?

  13. Gareth says:

    Hmmmm … "… the inclination to unfavorably treat those who share characteristics with or bear resemblance to the terrorists." I believe that this particular inclination is shared by "the terrorists" … after all it is 'Westerners' that are being targeted.

    Sad state of affairs in the world … almost could be described as 'civilised canabalism' …

  14. Gareth says:

    Hmmmm … “… the inclination to unfavorably treat those who share characteristics with or bear resemblance to the terrorists.” I believe that this particular inclination is shared by “the terrorists” … after all it is ‘Westerners’ that are being targeted.
    Sad state of affairs in the world … almost could be described as ‘civilised canabalism’ …

  15. Darry Whit says:

    How would a non muslim know if muslims are dealing with the problem, and speaking out, unless that person is in the Masjid, or listening to a non-Christain TV. You dont know what the muslim world is doing by using CNN, FOX, or like TV as a guild line!

  16. Darry Whit says:

    How would a non muslim know if muslims are dealing with the problem, and speaking out, unless that person is in the Masjid, or listening to a non-Christain TV. You dont know what the muslim world is doing by using CNN, FOX, or like TV as a guild line!

  17. Liam White says:

    Open your eyes, look at what they did in Mumbai, there is no reason you should even try to defend ANY muslim. Have you heard from any muslim community that has come out and condemned the attacks in Mumbai? Nope.

    To cling to the ideal that 'Terrorism has no religion' is simply a mantra that will continue to encourage muslim terrorists to go on with their attacks. The world needs to WAKE UP and stand up as one against muslims and make it known that their religion is one of hate, violence and has no place in modern society. I am not afraid to say it, nor should you be.

    How long will you keep turning your backs while reports of terrorism continue on a daily basis? How long will these preachers of hate and violence continue to lie to the world and say 'oh, Islam is the religion of peace!' while they do not stand up to the terrorists that are causing the problems and making the world hate their religion.

    The day the so called 'good' muslims stand up and say 'no' to terrorists who kill ANYONE in their name, is the day I will stop singing this song. Why do the so called 'good' muslims never come out and condemn terrorism? Why, if they are so good do they not stop them? Because they are all of one mind, they enjoy death and destruction. No peace, down with Islam.

  18. Liam White says:

    Open your eyes, look at what they did in Mumbai, there is no reason you should even try to defend ANY muslim. Have you heard from any muslim community that has come out and condemned the attacks in Mumbai? Nope.

    To cling to the ideal that ‘Terrorism has no religion’ is simply a mantra that will continue to encourage muslim terrorists to go on with their attacks. The world needs to WAKE UP and stand up as one against muslims and make it known that their religion is one of hate, violence and has no place in modern society. I am not afraid to say it, nor should you be.

    How long will you keep turning your backs while reports of terrorism continue on a daily basis? How long will these preachers of hate and violence continue to lie to the world and say ‘oh, Islam is the religion of peace!’ while they do not stand up to the terrorists that are causing the problems and making the world hate their religion.

    The day the so called ‘good’ muslims stand up and say ‘no’ to terrorists who kill ANYONE in their name, is the day I will stop singing this song. Why do the so called ‘good’ muslims never come out and condemn terrorism? Why, if they are so good do they not stop them? Because they are all of one mind, they enjoy death and destruction. No peace, down with Islam.

  19. ss says:

    While it may be politically correct to say that terrorism has no religion,can we forget that assured martyrdom promised for such heinous acts by a particular religion has nothing to do with the spread of extremism?

  20. ss says:

    While it may be politically correct to say that terrorism has no religion,can we forget that assured martyrdom promised for such heinous acts by a particular religion has nothing to do with the spread of extremism?

  21. John Dough says:

    Profiling. It's a word that has been given such negative connotation by the liberal media that we should probably see webster's definition of it changing in the dictionary.

    But the truth is, profiling is a good thing. In fact, profiling is not a "thing" at all. It's picking apart the act of using common sense, and isolating the act of making a common sense decision if it some how involves race, sex, or religion.

    Of course, profiling based on sex doesn't often get mentioned. When police are looking for a killer, there's not public outrage if the police search for a man instead of a woman.

    But when islamic fundamentalists declare war on our country, we're suddenly bad guys for looking more closely at people who LOOK like islamist fundamentalists.

    It's true, a 90 year old chinese woman COULD be one, as could a 4 year old dutch boy.

    But when I'm in a line 100 people long bording an airplane, and they can only scrutinize a few passengers, I'm feeling a hell of a lot safer on that flight if they pick out the four guys with turbins chanting prayers.

    Is it fair? Certainly not. Is it sensible? AbsolUTELY.

  22. John Dough says:

    Profiling. It’s a word that has been given such negative connotation by the liberal media that we should probably see webster’s definition of it changing in the dictionary.

    But the truth is, profiling is a good thing. In fact, profiling is not a “thing” at all. It’s picking apart the act of using common sense, and isolating the act of making a common sense decision if it some how involves race, sex, or religion.

    Of course, profiling based on sex doesn’t often get mentioned. When police are looking for a killer, there’s not public outrage if the police search for a man instead of a woman.

    But when islamic fundamentalists declare war on our country, we’re suddenly bad guys for looking more closely at people who LOOK like islamist fundamentalists.

    It’s true, a 90 year old chinese woman COULD be one, as could a 4 year old dutch boy.

    But when I’m in a line 100 people long bording an airplane, and they can only scrutinize a few passengers, I’m feeling a hell of a lot safer on that flight if they pick out the four guys with turbins chanting prayers.

    Is it fair? Certainly not. Is it sensible? AbsolUTELY.

  23. Darry Whit says:

    Have fun hating muslims, I am just glad you got tired of hating the Chinese in America, then the Irish, and for a long time Africans (so-called Blacks) so I guess its only far that you turn your hate towards another religion since you have run out of races to crap on! Do you even remember when you hated jews? Remember those signs that said "No Niggers, jews are dogs allowed" at the beach!

    Ahhhhhhhh those where the good ole days!

  24. Darry Whit says:

    Have fun hating muslims, I am just glad you got tired of hating the Chinese in America, then the Irish, and for a long time Africans (so-called Blacks) so I guess its only far that you turn your hate towards another religion since you have run out of races to crap on! Do you even remember when you hated jews? Remember those signs that said “No Niggers, jews are dogs allowed” at the beach!
    Ahhhhhhhh those where the good ole days!

  25. bi -- IJI says:

    I get it: if only the moderate Muslims had accepted McCain's invitation to appear at town hall meetings…

    — bi, International Journal of Inactivism

  26. bi -- IJI says:

    I get it: if only the moderate Muslims had accepted McCain’s invitation to appear at town hall meetings…

    — bi, International Journal of Inactivism

  27. Darry Whit says:

    Look, I enjoy a religion that blows up children and attacks and terrorizes people around the world. They are simply misunderstood and you should all listen to Al-Jazeera for their side of the story. Never mind the fact they just killed over a 100 people who were just vacationing in the area, never mind that children were blown up, just listen to their side on Al-Jazeera…Then you will see that Muslims are not so bad! Perhaps they were just redecorating the hotel to suit their tastes? You wont hear about that on Fox News! Maybe it was a Muslim rock band that got out of hand in a hotel, while on tour…You wont hear their music on MTV!

  28. Darry Whit says:

    Look, I enjoy a religion that blows up children and attacks and terrorizes people around the world. They are simply misunderstood and you should all listen to Al-Jazeera for their side of the story. Never mind the fact they just killed over a 100 people who were just vacationing in the area, never mind that children were blown up, just listen to their side on Al-Jazeera…Then you will see that Muslims are not so bad! Perhaps they were just redecorating the hotel to suit their tastes? You wont hear about that on Fox News! Maybe it was a Muslim rock band that got out of hand in a hotel, while on tour…You wont hear their music on MTV!

  29. Darry Whit says:

    You mean like America and the Black churchs!

  30. Darry Whit says:

    You mean like America and the Black churchs!

  31. Darry Whit says:

    It took a lawsuit from a victim to shut down the KKK! That along with former vets busting a cap in the empty skulls!

  32. Darry Whit says:

    It took a lawsuit from a victim to shut down the KKK! That along with former vets busting a cap in the empty skulls!

  33. Ethan Quern says:

    How many people must die before we understand that it is RELIGION itself that is at fault? All religions, not just some. There must be some mental deficiency in the human brain that can not accept life as it is without inventing supernatural beings to explain the unexplainable.

    The most intelligent words in any language are, "I don't know."

    Between Christians, Muslims and Jews enough blood has been spilt to fill an ocean. How can ANY god sit by and allow this to happen? Gods do not fight through humans. Humans fight through humans. And human inhumanity is irrefutably unconscionable.

    We are ALL guilty. Until we all stand up and say ENOUGH KILLING, ENOUGH HATE, ENOUGH BLOODSHED our decision to let others settle the problem implicate us all. No religion is any better than any other. If any god put us here, he/she/they put ALL of us here. Just as we are…none made any better than any other…or we are all doomed.

    For as surely as we sit complacent and do nothing to stop it, fundamentalist religion will destroy life as we know it. It is not a question of if, it is only a matter of time.

  34. Ethan Quern says:

    How many people must die before we understand that it is RELIGION itself that is at fault? All religions, not just some. There must be some mental deficiency in the human brain that can not accept life as it is without inventing supernatural beings to explain the unexplainable.

    The most intelligent words in any language are, “I don’t know.”

    Between Christians, Muslims and Jews enough blood has been spilt to fill an ocean. How can ANY god sit by and allow this to happen? Gods do not fight through humans. Humans fight through humans. And human inhumanity is irrefutably unconscionable.

    We are ALL guilty. Until we all stand up and say ENOUGH KILLING, ENOUGH HATE, ENOUGH BLOODSHED our decision to let others settle the problem implicate us all. No religion is any better than any other. If any god put us here, he/she/they put ALL of us here. Just as we are…none made any better than any other…or we are all doomed.

    For as surely as we sit complacent and do nothing to stop it, fundamentalist religion will destroy life as we know it. It is not a question of if, it is only a matter of time.

  35. Free Love says:

    White supremacist groups can be found in most countries and regions with a significant white population, including North America, Europe, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, and Latin America. In all of these locations, their views represent a relatively small minority of the population, and active membership of the groups is quite small. However, a backlash to the influx of non-white immigrants into various European nations has spurred a rise in membership in such organizations,[when?] as well as an escalation in militant white supremacist demonstrations. The militant approach taken by white supremacist groups has caused them to be watched closely by law enforcement officials. Some European countries have laws forbidding hate speech, as well as other laws that ban or restrict some white supremacist organizations but not all.

  36. Free Love says:

    White supremacist groups can be found in most countries and regions with a significant white population, including North America, Europe, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, and Latin America. In all of these locations, their views represent a relatively small minority of the population, and active membership of the groups is quite small. However, a backlash to the influx of non-white immigrants into various European nations has spurred a rise in membership in such organizations,[when?] as well as an escalation in militant white supremacist demonstrations. The militant approach taken by white supremacist groups has caused them to be watched closely by law enforcement officials. Some European countries have laws forbidding hate speech, as well as other laws that ban or restrict some white supremacist organizations but not all.

  37. Darry Whit says:

    I am reading the part of the Koran where the magician gets married to that 9 year old girl. Its my favorite part!

  38. Darry Whit says:

    I am reading the part of the Koran where the magician gets married to that 9 year old girl. Its my favorite part!

  39. Free Love says:

    I used to post under the name Darry Whit!

  40. Free Love says:

    I used to post under the name Darry Whit!

  41. Eric Fenton says:

    I would go one step further. The problem is not Islam. The problem is religion in general. Virtually all modern religions espouse the view that their members are superior to the rest of humanity (e.g. they have a preferred spot in Heaven). Virtually all modern religions are intolerant of some other groups (e.g. gays). These attitudes lead to violence and ultimately terrorism.

    Whereas perhaps terrorism has no specific religion. Terrorism almost always has A religion.

    Let's not gloss over that point when we report on the capacity of religious people to commit horrific acts.

  42. Eric Fenton says:

    I would go one step further. The problem is not Islam. The problem is religion in general. Virtually all modern religions espouse the view that their members are superior to the rest of humanity (e.g. they have a preferred spot in Heaven). Virtually all modern religions are intolerant of some other groups (e.g. gays). These attitudes lead to violence and ultimately terrorism.

    Whereas perhaps terrorism has no specific religion. Terrorism almost always has A religion.

    Let’s not gloss over that point when we report on the capacity of religious people to commit horrific acts.

  43. Free Love says:

    Question : How many little boys did those priest rape, and why didnt good clean Christians say something. Maybe two hundred years of clild molestation is not long at all!

  44. Free Love says:

    Question : How many little boys did those priest rape, and why didnt good clean Christians say something. Maybe two hundred years of clild molestation is not long at all!

  45. Free Love says:

    Someone with a brain!

    [quote comment="9195"]I would go one step further. The problem is not Islam. The problem is religion in general. Virtually all modern religions espouse the view that their members are superior to the rest of humanity (e.g. they have a preferred spot in Heaven). Virtually all modern religions are intolerant of some other groups (e.g. gays). These attitudes lead to violence and ultimately terrorism.

    Whereas perhaps terrorism has no specific religion. Terrorism almost always has A religion.

    Let's not gloss over that point when we report on the capacity of religious people to commit horrific acts.[/quote]

  46. Free Love says:

    Someone with a brain!

    [quote comment=”9195″]I would go one step further. The problem is not Islam. The problem is religion in general. Virtually all modern religions espouse the view that their members are superior to the rest of humanity (e.g. they have a preferred spot in Heaven). Virtually all modern religions are intolerant of some other groups (e.g. gays). These attitudes lead to violence and ultimately terrorism.

    Whereas perhaps terrorism has no specific religion. Terrorism almost always has A religion.

    Let’s not gloss over that point when we report on the capacity of religious people to commit horrific acts.[/quote]

  47. Free Love says:

    … and all it took was a dozen comments for a non-caveman to wander past and add their input!

  48. Free Love says:

    … and all it took was a dozen comments for a non-caveman to wander past and add their input!

  49. Free Love says:

    I am out of here, God Bless America (and no one else)!

  50. Free Love says:

    I am out of here, God Bless America (and no one else)!

  51. Joe Miller says:

    Obviously the author of "Terrorism has no religion" wrote what he thought was an enlightening essay. However, the author, and all of us, have to realize that nearly all the major terrorist attacks in the last 15 years have been perpetrated by self professed and extremely fanatic Muslim believers. They have shown themselves to be willing, even anxious, to die and take the lives of infidels with them in the name of Islamic tenets.

    What I find most disturbing is that moderate Muslims have not shown a willingness to condemn the actions of these Islamic terrorists.

    Unless and until modern Islamic moderates act to reign in their fellow Muslim would be terrorists carnage such as we have seen in the United States, Bali, Spain and England will accelerate in terms of less time between attacks and ferocity of the attacks.

  52. Joe Miller says:

    Obviously the author of “Terrorism has no religion” wrote what he thought was an enlightening essay. However, the author, and all of us, have to realize that nearly all the major terrorist attacks in the last 15 years have been perpetrated by self professed and extremely fanatic Muslim believers. They have shown themselves to be willing, even anxious, to die and take the lives of infidels with them in the name of Islamic tenets.

    What I find most disturbing is that moderate Muslims have not shown a willingness to condemn the actions of these Islamic terrorists.

    Unless and until modern Islamic moderates act to reign in their fellow Muslim would be terrorists carnage such as we have seen in the United States, Bali, Spain and England will accelerate in terms of less time between attacks and ferocity of the attacks.

  53. Heather says:

    This has got to be the stupidist article I have ever seen. Has anyone seen a high profile Christian terrorist attack in the past 10 years? Or a high profile jewish terrorist attack in the past 10 years?

    The only such claims are from people who decide to radically redifine "terrorist" to include anyone who may fight in a conflict they decide they do not like!

    The reality is that only one religion has been strapping on bombs and intentionally, with long term planning, targeted civilian populations.

    Obviosly not all who follow Islam are terrorist. But every serious terrorist action for a very long has time has been done by those who claim to follow Allah.

    When they cill they are usually calling out "praise Allah". If their motivation were not religioius then why aren't they calling out some political slogan instead?

    Every time we see a Bin Laden tape, he links his actions to Islam. So anyone who says terrorism has no religion is a fool.

    People have to look to the acts by individuals to try to claim their are Christian terrorist. Show me the Christian version of Al Qeade. Show me a Mormon version of Al Qeade. Show me any organized attack like 911 committed by any religious group other then islam.

  54. Heather says:

    This has got to be the stupidist article I have ever seen. Has anyone seen a high profile Christian terrorist attack in the past 10 years? Or a high profile jewish terrorist attack in the past 10 years?

    The only such claims are from people who decide to radically redifine “terrorist” to include anyone who may fight in a conflict they decide they do not like!

    The reality is that only one religion has been strapping on bombs and intentionally, with long term planning, targeted civilian populations.

    Obviosly not all who follow Islam are terrorist. But every serious terrorist action for a very long has time has been done by those who claim to follow Allah.

    When they cill they are usually calling out “praise Allah”. If their motivation were not religioius then why aren’t they calling out some political slogan instead?

    Every time we see a Bin Laden tape, he links his actions to Islam. So anyone who says terrorism has no religion is a fool.

    People have to look to the acts by individuals to try to claim their are Christian terrorist. Show me the Christian version of Al Qeade. Show me a Mormon version of Al Qeade. Show me any organized attack like 911 committed by any religious group other then islam.

  55. John Dough says:

    You should understand that atheism is itself a religion.

    Once you think about that fact, and understand the significance of it, you'll understand that your wasting your breath here.

    I'm an atheist myself, but I understand that my beliefs are no better or worse than a devout catholics, or any other faith.

    You're talking about a subject that is unprovable one way or another. Nobody can PROVE their is a god, and nobody can PROVE there isn't.

    I see in your posting something that is sadly common amongst other atheists. I powerful belief that YOU are right, and that everybody else is wrong. You feel so strongly about it that you'll come to a board like this and put others down who don't believe what you do.

    You go so far as to say anybody who believes differently is the root cause of terrorism and a history of bloodshed.

    What you miss is the hypocrisy of your statement. Like it or not, YOU are a religious fundamentalist. YOU have contempt for others who don't believe in your religion.

    Yes, organized religions have fought, religion has been the basis of a lot of persecution in this world.

    But sitting here being intolerant of non-atheists due to their various histories of intollerence is hardly a logical thing to do!!!

  56. John Dough says:

    You should understand that atheism is itself a religion.

    Once you think about that fact, and understand the significance of it, you’ll understand that your wasting your breath here.

    I’m an atheist myself, but I understand that my beliefs are no better or worse than a devout catholics, or any other faith.

    You’re talking about a subject that is unprovable one way or another. Nobody can PROVE their is a god, and nobody can PROVE there isn’t.

    I see in your posting something that is sadly common amongst other atheists. I powerful belief that YOU are right, and that everybody else is wrong. You feel so strongly about it that you’ll come to a board like this and put others down who don’t believe what you do.

    You go so far as to say anybody who believes differently is the root cause of terrorism and a history of bloodshed.

    What you miss is the hypocrisy of your statement. Like it or not, YOU are a religious fundamentalist. YOU have contempt for others who don’t believe in your religion.

    Yes, organized religions have fought, religion has been the basis of a lot of persecution in this world.

    But sitting here being intolerant of non-atheists due to their various histories of intollerence is hardly a logical thing to do!!!

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    Good Luck.

  59. Free Love says:

    How would you know if they have taken a stance? Really, How on Earth would you know? Is CSPAN going to call a press conferance? If you go to the book store there are books by Muslims that condem these acts. IE Whats wrong with Islam. One female from Somalia wrote a book, and its a National Best Seller? Have you read the book or listend to the audio three cups of Tea? The Sufis of Chisti have condemed these acts on their websites as with the Nasqubandi Sheiks! If all you do is walk in the same circle then you will see the same thing! Even the BBC has covered Muslims who have risked their lives to speak out. You have the nerve to ask them to speak out but what did you say about all the priest. And for all those who slam my very name then add this to my resume!

    USMC

    VMFA-333 F-4 Phantom Fighting Samrocks

    Metalsmith

    1984-1987

    Good Conduct Ribbion, Unit Citation, Letter after letter after letter

    Lt Col Wiunderlich was my CO

    SGtMajor Harris was my Sr. NCO

    If I cant speak out then who the hell can!

    [quote comment="9201"]Obviously the author of "Terrorism has no religion" wrote what he thought was an enlightening essay. However, the author, and all of us, have to realize that nearly all the major terrorist attacks in the last 15 years have been perpetrated by self professed and extremely fanatic Muslim believers. They have shown themselves to be willing, even anxious, to die and take the lives of infidels with them in the name of Islamic tenets.

    What I find most disturbing is that moderate Muslims have not shown a willingness to condemn the actions of these Islamic terrorists.

    Unless and until modern Islamic moderates act to reign in their fellow Muslim would be terrorists carnage such as we have seen in the United States, Bali, Spain and England will accelerate in terms of less time between attacks and ferocity of the attacks.[/quote]

  60. Free Love says:

    How would you know if they have taken a stance? Really, How on Earth would you know? Is CSPAN going to call a press conferance? If you go to the book store there are books by Muslims that condem these acts. IE Whats wrong with Islam. One female from Somalia wrote a book, and its a National Best Seller? Have you read the book or listend to the audio three cups of Tea? The Sufis of Chisti have condemed these acts on their websites as with the Nasqubandi Sheiks! If all you do is walk in the same circle then you will see the same thing! Even the BBC has covered Muslims who have risked their lives to speak out. You have the nerve to ask them to speak out but what did you say about all the priest. And for all those who slam my very name then add this to my resume!

    USMC
    VMFA-333 F-4 Phantom Fighting Samrocks
    Metalsmith
    1984-1987
    Good Conduct Ribbion, Unit Citation, Letter after letter after letter
    Lt Col Wiunderlich was my CO
    SGtMajor Harris was my Sr. NCO

    If I cant speak out then who the hell can!

    [quote comment=”9201″]Obviously the author of “Terrorism has no religion” wrote what he thought was an enlightening essay. However, the author, and all of us, have to realize that nearly all the major terrorist attacks in the last 15 years have been perpetrated by self professed and extremely fanatic Muslim believers. They have shown themselves to be willing, even anxious, to die and take the lives of infidels with them in the name of Islamic tenets.

    What I find most disturbing is that moderate Muslims have not shown a willingness to condemn the actions of these Islamic terrorists.

    Unless and until modern Islamic moderates act to reign in their fellow Muslim would be terrorists carnage such as we have seen in the United States, Bali, Spain and England will accelerate in terms of less time between attacks and ferocity of the attacks.[/quote]