Sikhs’ Reactions to the Israeli Government Terrorism

The story splashed all over the newspapers. An event that had been purposefully ignored by the US news could no longer be avoided when a number of humanitarian activists were killed (still no official number or names of those murdered??) by Israeli forces on Monday.

Activists from all over the world gathered and collected humanitarian items for Gaza (Palestine) that has been under an illegal siege since June 2007 by Israel and Egypt – a form of collective punishment against the entire people of Gaza.

The BBC has put together an informational site specifically about the blockade and its effects.

I have sampled some snippets of the report:

no specific list of what is and is not allowed in has been published, and items gaining entry vary over time.

The UN relief agency for Palestinian refugees Unrwa’s list of household items that have been refused entry at various times includes light bulbs, candles, matches, books, musical instruments, crayons, clothing, shoes, mattresses, sheets, blankets, pasta, tea, coffee, chocolate, nuts, shampoo and conditioner.

the UN’s Food and Agriculture Organisation says 61% of Gazans are “food insecure”.

According to the UN agency for Palestinian refugees, Unrwa, 80% of Gazan households rely on some kind of food aid.

UNRWA says the number of Gazan that it helps who are unable to buy basic items such as soap, stationary and safe drinking water has tripled since 2007.

A UN survey in 2008 found more than half Gaza’s households had sold their disposable assets and were relying on credit to buy food, three-quarters of Gazans were buying less food than in the past, and almost all were eating less fresh fruit, vegetables and animal protein to save money.

Overall, the UN says the blockade has caused the economy “irreversible damage”. Unemployment has soared from 30% in 2007 to 40% in 2008, according to the World Bank, though it dropped slightly in early 2010. The UN says that when aid is discounted, 70% of Gazan families live on less than a dollar a day per person.

It was against these conditions that a Freedom Flotilla, led not by states and governments, but rather by citizenry, including statesmen and Nobel Laureates, set off the coast of Cypress to attempt to break the blockade.

On Monday one of the flotillas was attacked while in international waters and illegally fired upon. Although Israeli officials have countered accusations of their despicable response as being justified due to the actions of some of the humanitarians, fair-minded experts have evaluated the various videos that has come out (despite Israeli government attempts to jam signals and create a blackout, reminiscent of the Indian government in Punjab in 1984) and have formed a consensus that the Israeli officials (or rather pirates) invaded the humanitarian ships with guns blazing. See University of Michigan professor Juan Cole for some of the best analysis.

Here are some reactions throughout the world to the state terrorism unleashed on these idealist humanitarians:

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The inhumanity of this cowboy government in Israel has even received criticism from the United Nations Security Council. The US has long shielded the Israeli government from any such criticism, but in the face of such overwhelming unwarranted carnage had to quietly allow the council to air their outrage.

In the United States we have been shielded from the real story as the humanitarian witnesses are being detained and the Israeli government disinformation machine is switching into high gear to shape American perceptions.

Some Sikhs that I have lauded about in the past are making their feelings felt and are taking part in a protest against the inhumane Israeli government actions. What has been your reaction on the events?


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71 Responses to “Sikhs’ Reactions to the Israeli Government Terrorism”

  1. brooklynwala says:

    I think this Israeli reporter hits the nail on the head:
    "No matter how one looks at the conduct of the Israeli government and the IDF, it is hard to understand how stupid and tragic it was. Time and again, Israel tries to prove that what can't be solved by force can be solved by more force. Over and over, the policies of force fail. The problem is that with each failure, the part of the world in which we would like to belong is losing patience with us."
    – Yossi Melman, military affairs correspondent, Ha'aretz

    Here's a list of emergency protests taking place around the world where you can add anything happening in your area: http://gazafreedommarch.org/cms/en/flotilla/prote

  2. brooklynwala says:

    I think this Israeli reporter hits the nail on the head:
    "No matter how one looks at the conduct of the Israeli government and the IDF, it is hard to understand how stupid and tragic it was. Time and again, Israel tries to prove that what can't be solved by force can be solved by more force. Over and over, the policies of force fail. The problem is that with each failure, the part of the world in which we would like to belong is losing patience with us."
    – Yossi Melman, military affairs correspondent, Ha'aretz

    Here's a list of emergency protests taking place around the world where you can add anything happening in your area: http://gazafreedommarch.org/cms/en/flotilla/prote

  3. harinder says:

    First of alI I agree that no one has the right to economically blockade Palestine .They have the right to live honorably as any other citizen of this planet.

    Having said this the Middle Eastern countries that is the Arabs must recognize the right of Jews to live in their ancestral home land of Israel without threat of annihilation.

    It is worth while seeing this as an one amongst the ongoing series of event in Israeli–Palestinian conflict which began in 1917
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli%E2%80%93Pale….

    Also the history of Palestine is interesting since 5000 BC to see what all forces shape any nation.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine

  4. harinder says:

    First of alI I agree that no one has the right to economically blockade Palestine .They have the right to live honorably as any other citizen of this planet.

    Having said this the Middle Eastern countries that is the Arabs must recognize the right of Jews to live in their ancestral home land of Israel without threat of annihilation.

    It is worth while seeing this as an one amongst the ongoing series of event in Israeli–Palestinian conflict which began in 1917
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli%E2%80%93Pale….

    Also the history of Palestine is interesting since 5000 BC to see what all forces shape any nation.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine

  5. ch ching says:

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  6. ch ching says:

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  7. KDS says:

    Is this blog funded by some muslims? What about the rights of non muslims in muslim countries.Why their are no protests by moderate muslims and their fellow sikhs when muslims kill minorities,deny them rights in muslim countries.When Bangladesh was created their i were 22.7% hindu's today there are only 8.5% Hindu's left in bangladesh.This is just a small example of reduction of non muslim population in muslim country.I would love to see any post dedicated to Bangladeshi hindu's on this blog or some news of protest by moderate muslims against this

  8. KDS says:

    Is this blog funded by some muslims? What about the rights of non muslims in muslim countries.Why their are no protests by moderate muslims and their fellow sikhs when muslims kill minorities,deny them rights in muslim countries.When Bangladesh was created their i were 22.7% hindu's today there are only 8.5% Hindu's left in bangladesh.This is just a small example of reduction of non muslim population in muslim country.I would love to see any post dedicated to Bangladeshi hindu's on this blog or some news of protest by moderate muslims against this

  9. Bik says:

    Once again TLH continues with it's pro-palestinian propaganda. Rather than look deeper into what happened it follows the MSM line that the people on the boat were humanitarian activists. Before they left Turkey they were shouting slogans of 'Khaibar Khaibar O Jew the army of Mohammed is coming for you'! I doubt Jodha knows anything about the Khaiber Jews who Mohammed massacred the men and sold the women and children into slavery. This is what these Peace activists had in mind for Israel.



  10. Bik says:

    Once again TLH continues with it's pro-palestinian propaganda. Rather than look deeper into what happened it follows the MSM line that the people on the boat were humanitarian activists. Before they left Turkey they were shouting slogans of 'Khaibar Khaibar O Jew the army of Mohammed is coming for you'! I doubt Jodha knows anything about the Khaiber Jews who Mohammed massacred the men and sold the women and children into slavery. This is what these Peace activists had in mind for Israel.



  11. Rajinder Singh Virk says:

    Might is right,the most basic and primal laws of nature and survival.Palestinians will keep on resisting/fighting,and jews will keep on kicking their behinds.Time for palestinians and their supporters,to reasses the whole situation.

  12. Roop says:

    Outsideof the USA there has been and always be little support for Israel in this matter. It has nothing to do with the fact Palestinians are Muslim, or Israeils Jews. Israel was created in the same way as Pakistan. Whose fault is it? Don't know, but I recall before Islam became fundamentalist ( when was it ever not??), seeing Palistianian kids rifle butted by Israeli soldiers..

    Hitler ( christian), kicked a Jewish man out of the window, who landed on a Palistianian ( Muslim) walking by, whose leg broke. SO whose fault was it?

    Sikhs should support the moral side and the victims, but not get involved with the purveyors of terror on either side…alternatively, this is not a Sikh problem….just cousins ( all related religions) fighting against each other…in which case it was irrelevant to even have this theard..

  13. Rajinder Singh Virk says:

    Might is right,the most basic and primal laws of nature and survival.Palestinians will keep on resisting/fighting,and jews will keep on kicking their behinds.Time for palestinians and their supporters,to reasses the whole situation.

  14. Roop says:

    Outsideof the USA there has been and always be little support for Israel in this matter. It has nothing to do with the fact Palestinians are Muslim, or Israeils Jews. Israel was created in the same way as Pakistan. Whose fault is it? Don't know, but I recall before Islam became fundamentalist ( when was it ever not??), seeing Palistianian kids rifle butted by Israeli soldiers..

    Hitler ( christian), kicked a Jewish man out of the window, who landed on a Palistianian ( Muslim) walking by, whose leg broke. SO whose fault was it?

    Sikhs should support the moral side and the victims, but not get involved with the purveyors of terror on either side…alternatively, this is not a Sikh problem….just cousins ( all related religions) fighting against each other…in which case it was irrelevant to even have this theard..

  15. brooklynwala says:

    i would contend that any humanitarian/human rights crisis in the world is a "Sikh problem" in that it is our responsibility as Sikhs to defend the oppressed and fight for equality and justice always — even when we're not directly implicated.

    that being said, the brutal occupation of palestine is one of the key reasons that so many in the middle east are (rightfully) enraged (at israel and its financial backer, the US) and in many cases get driven towards more extremist, fundamentalist islam. a feeling of rage and hopelessness emerges when an entire people (the palestinians) are treated like dirt and have no control over their own destinies whatsoever. and of course sikhs face much of the discrimination and violence we face here in the diaspora because of the global phenomenon of islamaphobia and arab hating — built on this image of the extremist, fundamentalist, arab terrorist. so freedom for EVERYONE in palestine/israel IS in our interest as sikhs as it would have massive implications throughout the muslim/arab world. of course, this means we must also end US occupations of iraq and afghanistan. it's amazing to me that we, as a community who have been so often characterized as terrorists ourselves (post 84 especially) and for whom sovereignty is a spiritual obligation, are sometimes reluctant to see others' struggles for sovereignty as legitimate.

  16. brooklynwala says:

    i would contend that any humanitarian/human rights crisis in the world is a "Sikh problem" in that it is our responsibility as Sikhs to defend the oppressed and fight for equality and justice always — even when we're not directly implicated.

    that being said, the brutal occupation of palestine is one of the key reasons that so many in the middle east are (rightfully) enraged (at israel and its financial backer, the US) and in many cases get driven towards more extremist, fundamentalist islam. a feeling of rage and hopelessness emerges when an entire people (the palestinians) are treated like dirt and have no control over their own destinies whatsoever. and of course sikhs face much of the discrimination and violence we face here in the diaspora because of the global phenomenon of islamaphobia and arab hating — built on this image of the extremist, fundamentalist, arab terrorist. so freedom for EVERYONE in palestine/israel IS in our interest as sikhs as it would have massive implications throughout the muslim/arab world. of course, this means we must also end US occupations of iraq and afghanistan. it's amazing to me that we, as a community who have been so often characterized as terrorists ourselves (post 84 especially) and for whom sovereignty is a spiritual obligation, are sometimes reluctant to see others' struggles for sovereignty as legitimate.

  17. Deep Hundal says:

    Here in Edmonton, Alberta, we mobilized our Sikh community, mostly youth, and participated in the consequential rallies to show our support through our main youth organ, the Sikh Students Society of the University of Alberta. The Sikh Activist Network based out of Toronto has also shown some great solidarity.

    For those of you to say this isn't a Sikh issue obviously haven't been reading up on your Sikhi or haven't come to terms with the simplest of morality.

    Bik,

    You need simply read the human rights and UN reports on the occupied territories to understand the conditions in which Palestinians live. You're simply repeating the propaganda you're being fed on a regular basis and this has long been deconstructed and put aside as nonsense.

    Richard Falk, the UN Special Rapporteur to the Occupied Territories, called Gaza “cauldron of suffering and pain.” This economic blockade, Falk further adds, “has brought the people of Gaza to the brink of collective starvation” and “is indeed genocidal, and risks destroying an entire Palestinian community.”

  18. Deep Hundal says:

    Once again, Israel has committed a grave breach of international law, openly and candidly and to suggest that Sikhs shouldn’t throw their support behind this issue is to instead suggest we watch as an entire population is being starved to death and slaughtered while internationals willing to help break this illegal siege of Gaza are systematically oppressed equally and murdered alongside those they chose to speak out for. That is just nonsense and no Sikh in her/his right mind should live like that.

  19. Deep Hundal says:

    This thread is funded by Muslims? What nonsense. This thread was inspired by solidarity and the basic principles of human rights which Israel has refused to extend and recognize. They breached international law and continually breach international laws in regards to the Palestinian people which they are illegally occupying and whom are forced to live in conditions of "utmost cruelty" – Richard Falk, the Special Rapporteur to the Occupied Territories.

  20. Deep Hundal says:

    KDS,

    Can you substantiate your claims that such atrocities will be conducted by Palestinians? As of now, you should just be ignored and not taken with seriousness as your words are filled with nothing more than venom and hated.

  21. Deep Hundal says:

    Here in Edmonton, Alberta, we mobilized our Sikh community, mostly youth, and participated in the consequential rallies to show our support through our main youth organ, the Sikh Students Society of the University of Alberta. The Sikh Activist Network based out of Toronto has also shown some great solidarity.

    For those of you to say this isn't a Sikh issue obviously haven't been reading up on your Sikhi or haven't come to terms with the simplest of morality.

    Bik,

    You need simply read the human rights and UN reports on the occupied territories to understand the conditions in which Palestinians live. You're simply repeating the propaganda you're being fed on a regular basis and this has long been deconstructed and put aside as nonsense.

    Richard Falk, the UN Special Rapporteur to the Occupied Territories, called Gaza “cauldron of suffering and pain.” This economic blockade, Falk further adds, “has brought the people of Gaza to the brink of collective starvation” and “is indeed genocidal, and risks destroying an entire Palestinian community.”

  22. Deep Hundal says:

    The massacre of Palestinians in Gaza during operation cast lead went by sadly without any proper and effective critique by the mainstream media for years until the Richard Goldstone report summarized that Operation Cast Lead “punished and terrorized” civilians and that Israeli forces committed “grave breaches” of the Geneva Conventions. To further this, let us instead read Richard Goldstones own words: “We came to the conclusion, on the basis of the facts we found, that there is strong evidence to establish that numerous serious violations of international law, both humanitarian law and human rights law, were committed by Israel during the military operations in Gaza. The mission concluded that actions amounting to war crimes and possibly, in some respects, crimes against humanity were committed by the Israel Defense Force.”

  23. Deep Hundal says:

    Once again, Israel has committed a grave breach of international law, openly and candidly and to suggest that Sikhs shouldn’t throw their support behind this issue is to instead suggest we watch as an entire population is being starved to death and slaughtered while internationals willing to help break this illegal siege of Gaza are systematically oppressed equally and murdered alongside those they chose to speak out for. That is just nonsense and no Sikh in her/his right mind should live like that.

  24. Deep Hundal says:

    This thread is funded by Muslims? What nonsense. This thread was inspired by solidarity and the basic principles of human rights which Israel has refused to extend and recognize. They breached international law and continually breach international laws in regards to the Palestinian people which they are illegally occupying and whom are forced to live in conditions of "utmost cruelty" – Richard Falk, the Special Rapporteur to the Occupied Territories.

  25. Deep Hundal says:

    The massacre of Palestinians in Gaza during operation cast lead went by sadly without any proper and effective critique by the mainstream media for years until the Richard Goldstone report summarized that Operation Cast Lead “punished and terrorized” civilians and that Israeli forces committed “grave breaches” of the Geneva Conventions. To further this, let us instead read Richard Goldstones own words: “We came to the conclusion, on the basis of the facts we found, that there is strong evidence to establish that numerous serious violations of international law, both humanitarian law and human rights law, were committed by Israel during the military operations in Gaza. The mission concluded that actions amounting to war crimes and possibly, in some respects, crimes against humanity were committed by the Israel Defense Force.”

  26. Deep Hundal says:

    KDS,

    Can you substantiate your claims that such atrocities will be conducted by Palestinians? As of now, you should just be ignored and not taken with seriousness as your words are filled with nothing more than venom and hated.

  27. Deep Hundal says:

    Harinder,

    One word for your above post: irrelevant. The above stated articles and context has nothing to do with the issue at hand. There was no Iranian influence on this flottila and there was no anti-Semitic innuendo aboard the ship or in the hearts of the activists. But if you persist on bringing that up then you should focus on understanding what a Semite is and realize that Palestinians are Semitic peoples as well.

    Please don’t divert the topic and conflate it with issues that only serve to underscore the flagrant violations of international law and human rights.

  28. Deep Hundal says:

    The Goldstone report also called the blockade illegal and has stated: "Israeli acts that deprive Palestinians in the Gaza Strip of their means of subsistence, employment, housing and water, that deny their freedom of movement and their right to leave and enter their own country, that limit their rights to access a court of law and an effective remedy, could lead a competent court to find that the crime of persecution, a crime against humanity, has been committed."[7] The Goldstone report recommended that the matter be referred to the International Criminal Court if the situation has not improved in six months.”

  29. Deep Hundal says:

    Harinder,

    One word for your above post: irrelevant. The above stated articles and context has nothing to do with the issue at hand. There was no Iranian influence on this flottila and there was no anti-Semitic innuendo aboard the ship or in the hearts of the activists. But if you persist on bringing that up then you should focus on understanding what a Semite is and realize that Palestinians are Semitic peoples as well.

    Please don’t divert the topic and conflate it with issues that only serve to underscore the flagrant violations of international law and human rights.

  30. Deep Hundal says:

    The blockade on Iran is nothing compared to the horrendous blockade on Gaza which constitutes according to the language used and contextualized by Goldstone, a war crime. Richard Falk, the Special Rapporteur to the Occupied Territories noted that the blockade has “brought the people of Gaza to the brink of collective starvation.” This is not what you see in Iran; you don’t see a blockade that has utterly destroyed the local economy and economy at large and that has, according to the UN, left 65 percent of the population food insecure, 65 percent of which are children; As well as” the number of Palestine refugees unable to access food and lacking the means to purchase even the most basic items, such as soap, school stationery and safe drinking water, has tripled"; this blockade has also ensured that 65.5 percent of babies are suffering from anemia.

    You’re talking out of your ass Harinder trying to conflate issues together to disturbingly justify the inhumane degradation of human dignity and one of the worst and most flagrant violations of international law and human rights. You are either simply morally bankrupt or completely stupid.

  31. Bik says:

    Deep Hundal,

    Stop telling lies. The so-called peace activists were shouting anti-Jewish slogans. I posted the video about them threatening the israelis with the same fate as Mohammed did to the Khaibar Jews.


    You seem to regurgitating the propaganda whichn you have been fed. The so-called charity IHH who organised the ship has links with Islamic terrorism. Read the http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middl… If you want to support Muslim terrorists then thats your lookout but don't drag Sikhi into it. My advice to you is to get some education on the issue, there's no excuse in this day and age for such ignorance as you display here.

  32. Bik says:

    It's sad to see so many Sikhs wasting their time becoming apologists for Palestinian terrorists and by extension the global Jihad against non-Muslims. It's sad because Sikhs more than others have been on the receiving end of Jihad throughout our history. Imagine how our ancestors would feel today if they knew that their descendants have become such idiotic fools to be supporting the very people who would if given a chance wipe them out without even a second thought. Shame on you people.

  33. Harinder says:

    Actually the whole story is of little relevance and consequence for SIKHS.
    For me and most of us it was like
    "Begani Shadi me Abdualla diwana "
    USA the super power is with Israel for what ever reasons and so it exists.
    The day it casts its die with Arabs Israel shall disappear.

  34. Deep Hundal says:

    Once again, this has nothing to do with Iran or your nonsensical allusion to Anti-Semitism. Stop diverting attention away from the more pressing issue of a highly illegal attack on a civilian ship on international waters which was delivering aid to an illegal blockade on Gaza.

    The illegality of the blockade is well known. You cannot state a horrendously baseless statement that the “economic blockade as a policy of repression toward Palestine is certainly wrong” without one referring to international law and the 4th Geneva convention that strictly states in Article 33: “No protected person may be punished for an offence he or she has not personally committed. Collective penalties and likewise all measures of intimidation or of terrorism are prohibited.” Amnesty summarizes: “The blockade constitutes collective punishment under international law and must be lifted immediately.”

  35. Deep Hundal says:

    The Goldstone report also called the blockade illegal and has stated: "Israeli acts that deprive Palestinians in the Gaza Strip of their means of subsistence, employment, housing and water, that deny their freedom of movement and their right to leave and enter their own country, that limit their rights to access a court of law and an effective remedy, could lead a competent court to find that the crime of persecution, a crime against humanity, has been committed."[7] The Goldstone report recommended that the matter be referred to the International Criminal Court if the situation has not improved in six months.”

  36. Deep Hundal says:

    Once again, this has nothing to do with Iran or your nonsensical allusion to Anti-Semitism. Stop diverting attention away from the more pressing issue of a highly illegal attack on a civilian ship on international waters which was delivering aid to an illegal blockade on Gaza.

    The illegality of the blockade is well known. You cannot state a horrendously baseless statement that the “economic blockade as a policy of repression toward Palestine is certainly wrong” without one referring to international law and the 4th Geneva convention that strictly states in Article 33: “No protected person may be punished for an offence he or she has not personally committed. Collective penalties and likewise all measures of intimidation or of terrorism are prohibited.” Amnesty summarizes: “The blockade constitutes collective punishment under international law and must be lifted immediately.”

  37. Deep Hundal says:

    The blockade on Iran is nothing compared to the horrendous blockade on Gaza which constitutes according to the language used and contextualized by Goldstone, a war crime. Richard Falk, the Special Rapporteur to the Occupied Territories noted that the blockade has “brought the people of Gaza to the brink of collective starvation.” This is not what you see in Iran; you don’t see a blockade that has utterly destroyed the local economy and economy at large and that has, according to the UN, left 65 percent of the population food insecure, 65 percent of which are children; As well as” the number of Palestine refugees unable to access food and lacking the means to purchase even the most basic items, such as soap, school stationery and safe drinking water, has tripled"; this blockade has also ensured that 65.5 percent of babies are suffering from anemia.

    You’re talking out of your ass Harinder trying to conflate issues together to disturbingly justify the inhumane degradation of human dignity and one of the worst and most flagrant violations of international law and human rights. You are either simply morally bankrupt or completely stupid.

  38. Bik says:

    Deep Hundal,

    Stop telling lies. The so-called peace activists were shouting anti-Jewish slogans. I posted the video about them threatening the israelis with the same fate as Mohammed did to the Khaibar Jews.


    You seem to regurgitating the propaganda whichn you have been fed. The so-called charity IHH who organised the ship has links with Islamic terrorism. Read the http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middl… If you want to support Muslim terrorists then thats your lookout but don't drag Sikhi into it. My advice to you is to get some education on the issue, there's no excuse in this day and age for such ignorance as you display here.

  39. Bik says:

    It's sad to see so many Sikhs wasting their time becoming apologists for Palestinian terrorists and by extension the global Jihad against non-Muslims. It's sad because Sikhs more than others have been on the receiving end of Jihad throughout our history. Imagine how our ancestors would feel today if they knew that their descendants have become such idiotic fools to be supporting the very people who would if given a chance wipe them out without even a second thought. Shame on you people.

  40. Harinder says:

    Actually the whole story is of little relevance and consequence for SIKHS.
    For me and most of us it was like
    "Begani Shadi me Abdualla diwana "
    USA the super power is with Israel for what ever reasons and so it exists.
    The day it casts its die with Arabs Israel shall disappear.

  41. Harjap says:

    Fact Usa is Pro Israel
    Fact Uk is Pro Arab, as is Europe

    So if you live in US your views are coloured by their news media
    If you live in Europe the opposite

    Only reason USA supports israel currently is that there are more Jews in NY than Israel, therefore huge lobby for votes… Israel only came to existence after many hundreds of British Soldieirs were murdered by pro Israel terrorists in teh 1930 and 1940s.

    If tomorrow their were more Sikhs in USA than say other ethnics, don't be surprised if Khalistan gets created…and don't confuse Iran ( Persians) with Palestinians ( Arabs). They hate each other…

  42. Harjap says:

    Fact Usa is Pro Israel
    Fact Uk is Pro Arab, as is Europe

    So if you live in US your views are coloured by their news media
    If you live in Europe the opposite

    Only reason USA supports israel currently is that there are more Jews in NY than Israel, therefore huge lobby for votes… Israel only came to existence after many hundreds of British Soldieirs were murdered by pro Israel terrorists in teh 1930 and 1940s.

    If tomorrow their were more Sikhs in USA than say other ethnics, don't be surprised if Khalistan gets created…and don't confuse Iran ( Persians) with Palestinians ( Arabs). They hate each other…

  43. PeieS says:

    People are deliberately obfuscating the intentions of the many groups involved in the flotilla with the deaths that happened on only one ship in the flotilla, the Mavi Mamara. Among the groups involved are those who are far from simple humanitiarians, there were thugs who went into the venture with incitement in mind (Islamicists who are no fans of Sikhi, Buddhists, Jews, Christians or even certain other muslims);
    http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Government/Communiques/

    Israel does not block aid, food, etc, as such into Gaza – in fact it is common knowledge that they supply aid themselves, and facilitate aid sent from others. They attempted, as had been done in the past, to redirect this flotilla to Ashdod to check the shipments for illicit items and distribute them from there. Their attempts were refused, and met with premeditated assault on the Mavi Mamara;
    <a href="http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/About+the+Ministry/Behind+the+Headlines/Israeli_humanitarian_lifeline_Gaza_25-May-2010.htm&quot; rel="nofollow"&gt <a href="http://;http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/About+the+Ministry/Behi…” target=”_blank”>;http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/About+the+Ministry/Behi

  44. PeieS says:

    People are deliberately obfuscating the intentions of the many groups involved in the flotilla with the deaths that happened on only one ship in the flotilla, the Mavi Mamara. Among the groups involved are those who are far from simple humanitiarians, there were thugs who went into the venture with incitement in mind (Islamicists who are no fans of Sikhi, Buddhists, Jews, Christians or even certain other muslims);
    http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Government/Communiques/

    Israel does not block aid, food, etc, as such into Gaza – in fact it is common knowledge that they supply aid themselves, and facilitate aid sent from others. They attempted, as had been done in the past, to redirect this flotilla to Ashdod to check the shipments for illicit items and distribute them from there. Their attempts were refused, and met with premeditated assault on the Mavi Mamara;
    http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/About+the+Ministry/Behi

  45. Pritam Singh says:

    Deep + Sonny, great posts! Lets keep the flag of righteousness flying high! Best, pritam

  46. Pritam Singh says:

    Deep + Sonny, great posts! Lets keep the flag of righteousness flying high! Best, pritam

  47. Suki says:

    Don’t know about you but I on the other hand am fed up of Muslims all over the world crying wolf. Sure this Palestinian issue is never going to be resolved. Israel did what they did (I don’t condone violence) and maybe they shouldn’t have. Having said that we don’t really know what they feel as that is a volatile region. It seems to me that if I was surrounded by people that wanted to wipe me out, I would be under stress constantly and eventually don’t know what my reaction would be.

    Muslims hold this thing against the Jewish yet they take their religion, Islam from Judaism (go figure). When I worked in banking there was this Muslim female client. This person should be well read, literate and has grown up in western society. Instead of respecting the fact that someone can be of another faith, she comes to me and says “You never invite a Jew into your house because they never leave”. I was completely shocked at what she said and have no idea why she said it to me; maybe she thought being a similar skin colour I would accept what she said. She was talking about Israel. Regardless, I said, “Never invite a Muslim into your house because they never leave”. I was trying to make a politic point as in – sure Muslims think they are hard done by and rarely condemn atrocities their brothers and sisters commit to not only their own but to all parts of the world. Is beheading because you chose to be of another faith a right for them? Take a look at Malaysia – beheadings and harassment of other faiths and women (if they dress not risqué but nice tailored clothing); most parts of Africa, where people are hacked to pieces; most of the Mid-East – pit against each other and others; UK, Spain, US, India, China, Indonesia, and more. Terrorist cells are all over the world. People are converting – including whites so now you can’t even tell who is a radical. And exactly what are they being taught for them to behave like that? How many times has land been given to Muslims because they cannot get along with others? Murder is murder, and no amount of saying its in the name of religion changes that.

    At the end of the day to cry persecution and oppression when they are the biggest bigots, persecutors, executors and oppressors of other people and Muslim women is a bogus claim. Any empathy I have is slowly dwindling away. There are two sides to everything and neither side is right. What is wrong with co-existing? Preaching tolerance and peace? Loving humanity?

    In summary: I have gone on a bit but seriously I am fed up of all the bad rubbish out there. I have no kinship towards and evil person just because they may look like me. To me everyone is created equal but under unfortunate circumstance. Yes the Palestinians need aid but to what cost should the Israel’s also suffer because of threat from neighbouring countries (i.e. Iran); don’t they have a right to co-exist in peace? Should they have a right to defend themselves or not, or counteract? This act wasn’t right but what if they do let things go and how much arsenal could be collected? That piece of land they are fighting over isn’t even that big, and if Isreal had a small portion compared to the vast amount that Islam has all over the mid-east why keep fighting? Islam is a spin-off Judaism – so chill. How much was India blasted over the Mumbai bombings? They should’ve foreseen, but didn’t. They let in many people that look just like them, that speak like them, etc, etc, etc. There are two sides to everything, every story.

  48. Suki says:

    Don’t know about you but I on the other hand am fed up of Muslims all over the world crying wolf. Sure this Palestinian issue is never going to be resolved. Israel did what they did (I don’t condone violence) and maybe they shouldn’t have. Having said that we don’t really know what they feel as that is a volatile region. It seems to me that if I was surrounded by people that wanted to wipe me out, I would be under stress constantly and eventually don’t know what my reaction would be.

    Muslims hold this thing against the Jewish yet they take their religion, Islam from Judaism (go figure). When I worked in banking there was this Muslim female client. This person should be well read, literate and has grown up in western society. Instead of respecting the fact that someone can be of another faith, she comes to me and says “You never invite a Jew into your house because they never leave”. I was completely shocked at what she said and have no idea why she said it to me; maybe she thought being a similar skin colour I would accept what she said. She was talking about Israel. Regardless, I said, “Never invite a Muslim into your house because they never leave”. I was trying to make a politic point as in – sure Muslims think they are hard done by and rarely condemn atrocities their brothers and sisters commit to not only their own but to all parts of the world. Is beheading because you chose to be of another faith a right for them? Take a look at Malaysia – beheadings and harassment of other faiths and women (if they dress not risqué but nice tailored clothing); most parts of Africa, where people are hacked to pieces; most of the Mid-East – pit against each other and others; UK, Spain, US, India, China, Indonesia, and more. Terrorist cells are all over the world. People are converting – including whites so now you can’t even tell who is a radical. And exactly what are they being taught for them to behave like that? How many times has land been given to Muslims because they cannot get along with others? Murder is murder, and no amount of saying its in the name of religion changes that.

    At the end of the day to cry persecution and oppression when they are the biggest bigots, persecutors, executors and oppressors of other people and Muslim women is a bogus claim. Any empathy I have is slowly dwindling away. There are two sides to everything and neither side is right. What is wrong with co-existing? Preaching tolerance and peace? Loving humanity?

    In summary: I have gone on a bit but seriously I am fed up of all the bad rubbish out there. I have no kinship towards and evil person just because they may look like me. To me everyone is created equal but under unfortunate circumstance. Yes the Palestinians need aid but to what cost should the Israel’s also suffer because of threat from neighbouring countries (i.e. Iran); don’t they have a right to co-exist in peace? Should they have a right to defend themselves or not, or counteract? This act wasn’t right but what if they do let things go and how much arsenal could be collected? That piece of land they are fighting over isn’t even that big, and if Isreal had a small portion compared to the vast amount that Islam has all over the mid-east why keep fighting? Islam is a spin-off Judaism – so chill. How much was India blasted over the Mumbai bombings? They should’ve foreseen, but didn’t. They let in many people that look just like them, that speak like them, etc, etc, etc. There are two sides to everything, every story.

  49. Ranjit Singh says:

    For all those who cry foul over Sikh support of Palestinian victims because of atrocities commited in Islamic countries: Nobody is forced to pick one single side, except for the side of justice. It is a fallacy to suggest that, by supporting victims of a genocidal regime (who are muslim), you are also in support of terrorism and Islamic crimes around the world. I am absolutely against tyranny in any form, be it against Sikhs, Jews, Muslims, or any other community. The fact is that Israelis are NOT suffering, and are commiting crimes against humanity. The same can be said about the Sharia following Saudis, as well as the Pakistani Taliban, and even the Hindustani Congress. The one GIGANTIC gorrila in the room is that, unlike the taliban, unlike the Saudis, and unlike almost every other opressive regime in present times, the Israelis are partaking in APARTHEID against a civilian population who have been booted from their own homes. Calling Israel the "Ancestral" home of the Jews has no bearing in modern history, because we do not use the BIBLE as a map, or political doctrine.

  50. Ranjit Singh says:

    For all those who cry foul over Sikh support of Palestinian victims because of atrocities commited in Islamic countries: Nobody is forced to pick one single side, except for the side of justice. It is a fallacy to suggest that, by supporting victims of a genocidal regime (who are muslim), you are also in support of terrorism and Islamic crimes around the world. I am absolutely against tyranny in any form, be it against Sikhs, Jews, Muslims, or any other community. The fact is that Israelis are NOT suffering, and are commiting crimes against humanity. The same can be said about the Sharia following Saudis, as well as the Pakistani Taliban, and even the Hindustani Congress. The one GIGANTIC gorrila in the room is that, unlike the taliban, unlike the Saudis, and unlike almost every other opressive regime in present times, the Israelis are partaking in APARTHEID against a civilian population who have been booted from their own homes. Calling Israel the "Ancestral" home of the Jews has no bearing in modern history, because we do not use the BIBLE as a map, or political doctrine.

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