Guru Manyo Granth
A few weeks ago, I attended a seminar at the Bradshaw Gurdwara (Sacramento) on the dasam granth. Although I was unfortunately unable to attend the entire conference, I was able to listen to Dr. Harpal Singh Pannu, Professor and Head of the Department of Religious Studies at Punjabi University, Patiala. Dr. Pannu provides the intellectual content for those that argue of the authenticity of the entire dasam granth and I was delighted to be able to listen to his address.
While the conference had a sizable attendance, I left the conference wondering. In this year that we will be celebrating the 300th Anniversary of the Gurgaddi of our everlasting Guru – the Guru Granth Sahib and the Guru Khalsa Panth, why are we wasting time debating about the dasam granth? Where are the conferences about the Guru Granth Sahib?
Why are we dividing our community on the basis of another scripture? The brilliance of the framers of the Panthic Sikh Rehat Maryada becomes especially apparent.
The Panthic Sikh Rehat Maryada was a TRULY collective effort in the spirit of the Sarbat Khalsa. It took over 15 years of participation, collaboration, and discussion. The drafting of this document may in fact be one of the greatest Sikh historical movements in the post-Guru period. Although presented over 50 years ago, with the exception of the time-period’s gendered language, the document retains its brilliance. Hopefully we can be worthy of our ancestors and use the same process to update its language.
Over 70 organizations collaborated in the creation of the Panthic Rehat Maryada. Before the age of airplane travel, even the Sikhs in the United States (not to mention other Sikh communities in Burma, South East Asia, etc.) gave their opinion and weighed in. The Pacific Coast Khalsa Diwan, Stockton (America) is a proud signatory to the Panthic Rehat Maryada.
Some relevant excerpts follow (from the original Punjabi version):
In the definition of a Sikh, it is stated that a Sikh is “Any human being who faithfully believes in… The Guru Granth Sahib.”
When meditating on Naam, a Sikh is to “recite the following scriptural compositions every day”: Japu, the Jaapu, the Ten Sawayyas, Sodar Rehras, and Kirtan Sohila.
In the Gurdwara, the Panthic Rehat Maryada states that ONLY “The Guru Granth Sahib should be ceremonially opened in the Gurdwara every day without fail.” In fact, it states, “No book should be installed like and at par with the Guru Granth Sahib.”
During Kirtan, the Panthic Rehat Maryada calls for Kirtan ONLY of Gurbani, the writings of Bhai Gurdas, and that of Bhai Nand Lal.
The point of this post is not to add to the ongoing conflict, but to highlight the brilliance of the status quo. Why in this year of celebrating the Gurgaddi of the Guru Granth Sahib are we having this discussion? We should ONLY be discussing and celebrating the Guru Granth Sahib!
My hope is that, especially the youth, will have more sense than some of our elders and move beyond this divisive discussion. The worst exhibit I saw at the conference I attended and I know BOTH sides are guilty of this, was the declaration that the other side are not Sikhs. Both sides need to mature and grow up. I hope the Sikh youth can provide a better example for our elders.
In this year celebrating the 300th Anniversary of the Gurgaddi to the Guru Granth Sahib and the Guru Khalsa Panth, what better way can we celebrate this event then by uniting behind the Guru Granth Sahib and in the spirit of promoting the Guru Khalsa Panth have discussions and seminars promoting unity and ending of all hierarchies that divide our community.
So this is my declaration of transcendence. I will not engage in this destructive conversation. I will endeavor only to promote my Guru – the Guru Granth Sahib and the Guru Khalsa Panth.
The Panthic Rehat Maryada is a brilliant document and we should maintain the status quo on the writings of Guru Gobind Singh. Let us endeavor to retain the Panthic Rehat Maryada’s spirit.
The words of the 20th century’s greatest Sikh seem especially relevant here:
“Please come under the fold of SatGuru, take amrit, read bani, and talk among yourselves of Panth, the Kesri Nishan Sahib, and of your true leader the Guru Granth Sahib. Never speak bad about one another and remain united.”
68 Responses to “Guru Manyo Granth”
Balwant,
The foolishness lies in uncritical acceptance of a book whose origins are questionable and which was not compiled by Guru Gobind Singh ji! For you edification, I am including a link to its history: http://www.sikhcoalition.org/Sikhism19.asp
If you are going to have a conference then invite Panthic bodies on both sides of the issue. I find it idiotic to equate anything with the Guru Granth Sahib, the Word of Akal Purakh.
Oh Foolish Jodha. They were not DEBATING Dasam Granth Sahib. They were discussing and defending it.
If you care about your Guru, and you care about Jaap Sahib, Chaupaee Sahib, Tuaprasad Swaiye, Akaal Ustat, Chandi Ki Vaar, Zafarnama, and the countless other beautiful gurbani in Dasam Granth Sahib, then you too would celebrate this seminar they had.
Furthermore, this is ALSO the 300th Anniversary of the Jyoti-Jyot Divas of Guru Gobind Singh ji, so it is righteous to honour that occasion by recognizing the treasure of temporal-power in the bani of Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji.
Yes, Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj is our eternal spiritual leader, our True Guru. and the true political leader, the body of the Guru, is the Khalsa panth. However, so many inside and outside organizations are attacking the Sikh community by removing us from Dasam bani – which gives us warrior spirit. If we don't defend and stand up against these attacks, who will?
Oh Foolish Jodha. They were not DEBATING Dasam Granth Sahib. They were discussing and defending it.
If you care about your Guru, and you care about Jaap Sahib, Chaupaee Sahib, Tuaprasad Swaiye, Akaal Ustat, Chandi Ki Vaar, Zafarnama, and the countless other beautiful gurbani in Dasam Granth Sahib, then you too would celebrate this seminar they had.
Furthermore, this is ALSO the 300th Anniversary of the Jyoti-Jyot Divas of Guru Gobind Singh ji, so it is righteous to honour that occasion by recognizing the treasure of temporal-power in the bani of Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji.
Yes, Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj is our eternal spiritual leader, our True Guru. and the true political leader, the body of the Guru, is the Khalsa panth. However, so many inside and outside organizations are attacking the Sikh community by removing us from Dasam bani – which gives us warrior spirit. If we don’t defend and stand up against these attacks, who will?
Gurbani = Guru Granth Sahib Ji & Dasam Granth Sahib
Although this is missing Chaupai Sahib and Anand Sahib which is actually the current Panthic status quo, it does mention Jaap Sahib and "the Ten Sawayyas," both compositions which are from Dasam Granth Sahib.
Gurbani = Guru Granth Sahib Ji & Dasam Granth Sahib
Although this is missing Chaupai Sahib and Anand Sahib which is actually the current Panthic status quo, it does mention Jaap Sahib and “the Ten Sawayyas,” both compositions which are from Dasam Granth Sahib.
Balwant,
The foolishness lies in uncritical acceptance of a book whose origins are questionable and which was not compiled by Guru Gobind Singh ji! For you edification, I am including a link to its history: http://www.sikhcoalition.org/Sikhism19.asp
If you are going to have a conference then invite Panthic bodies on both sides of the issue. I find it idiotic to equate anything with the Guru Granth Sahib, the Word of Akal Purakh.
Beant Jee,
Dasam Granth Sahib is not equated with Guru Granth Sahib.
Guru Granth Sahib is our Sache Patshah, our True Master. Guru Granth Sahib is our Satguru, our True Enlightener.
Dasam Granth Sahib does not have these titles.
If the Sikh Coalition is really a "Sikh" Coalition, it should also have articles from both sides of the issue. By the way, this "other" side which does not have faith that Dasam Granth Sahib was written by Guru Gobind Singh Ji is a very small fringe group, and was created only recently. The British and the RSS have made long-term propaganda campaigns to produce doubt in our minds about the authenticity of this bani, because reading it inspires us to be warriors. Reading it gives us beer-russ, the warrior spirit. And without that, we are unable to have courage to fight for our (and others) rights, and cannot uphold our own gurdwaras.
OUR GURDWARAS are failing because we don't learn about Guru Granth Sahib Ji. We don't learn about Guru Granth Sahib ji because our COMMITTEES are corrupt. Our committees are corrupt because WE – THE SIKHS – haven't chosen the proper leaders. We haven't chosen the proper leaders because WE ARE ALL SHEEP, and we have no warrior spirit. We have no warrior spirit because we have stopped reading Dasam Granth Sahib.
Beant Jee,
Dasam Granth Sahib is not equated with Guru Granth Sahib.
Guru Granth Sahib is our Sache Patshah, our True Master. Guru Granth Sahib is our Satguru, our True Enlightener.
Dasam Granth Sahib does not have these titles.
If the Sikh Coalition is really a “Sikh” Coalition, it should also have articles from both sides of the issue. By the way, this “other” side which does not have faith that Dasam Granth Sahib was written by Guru Gobind Singh Ji is a very small fringe group, and was created only recently. The British and the RSS have made long-term propaganda campaigns to produce doubt in our minds about the authenticity of this bani, because reading it inspires us to be warriors. Reading it gives us beer-russ, the warrior spirit. And without that, we are unable to have courage to fight for our (and others) rights, and cannot uphold our own gurdwaras.
OUR GURDWARAS are failing because we don’t learn about Guru Granth Sahib Ji. We don’t learn about Guru Granth Sahib ji because our COMMITTEES are corrupt. Our committees are corrupt because WE – THE SIKHS – haven’t chosen the proper leaders. We haven’t chosen the proper leaders because WE ARE ALL SHEEP, and we have no warrior spirit. We have no warrior spirit because we have stopped reading Dasam Granth Sahib.
Also, you are correct, the Dasam Granth Sahib was compiled by Bhai Mani Singh Ji, not by Guru Gobind Singh Ji. However, the compilation contains all of the writings of Guru Gobind Singh Ji.
And it was compiled with the blessings of Mata Ajit Kaur Ji.
The link you provided – I am just reading it now – it is so subjective and argumentative. Hardly of a professional scholarly grade.
Also, you are correct, the Dasam Granth Sahib was compiled by Bhai Mani Singh Ji, not by Guru Gobind Singh Ji. However, the compilation contains all of the writings of Guru Gobind Singh Ji.
And it was compiled with the blessings of Mata Ajit Kaur Ji.
The link you provided – I am just reading it now – it is so subjective and argumentative. Hardly of a professional scholarly grade.
Balwant,
Please stick to one name on this blog. This is your 6th name on the blog. Keep switching names will get you banned in the future.
Balwant,
Please stick to one name on this blog. This is your 6th name on the blog. Keep switching names will get you banned in the future.
Dear Brother Balwant,
You raise a number of different issues, so let me see if we can have a fruitful discussion. At the beginning of this, let me state that I see you as my brother and hope we can engage with love and understanding of one another. If this is not possible, then I will refrain from further commentary with you.
1) You raise the issue:
However, this is a key point. Jathebandes such as the AKJ and DT utilize their own maryadas. The same is true for groups such as Nanaksarias as well. However, the Panthic Sikh Rehat Maryada only describes those 5 as central to the Nitnem. If you wish to do more, then by all means do so. No one will ever stop you from doing more paath, but the Panthic Rehat Maryada is to bind us together based on a minimum common platform where we stand together.
2) Another interesting point was when you stated:
This point made me reflect quite a bit. I think there is never a wrong time to honor Guru Gobind Singh. Honor him 365 days a year (366 this year!). However, I don't recall any celebrations for a 'jyoti-jot.' I think this raises a key issue. We do not celebrate the physical passing of the body. We do celebrate those that bless us by being a 'witness' (Shaheed) to the greatness of Waheguru, but I don't ever recall ever 'celebrating' the 'jyoti-jot' of any Guru in the Gurdwara. Maybe it is different where you are from?
3) I think I understand the gist of your argument about the dasam granth, but I think your logic can be very dangerous. You are dividing the Guru Granth Sahib as being only 'spiritual' that does not elicit 'beer-russ.' However, by implication you are saying the Guru Granth Sahib, alone, is incomplete. However, for many Sikhs this 'beer-russ' does in fact come from the Guru Granth Sahib. Sardar Udham Singh on the top of a letter to a friend in Punjab explaining his actions wrote 'Jo tho prem khelan ka chao….' (SGGS, 1412). Many Khalsa warriors remembered Bhagat Kabir's oft-cited 'Gagan damama bajio pario nisane ghao….' (SGGS, 1005). In fact through personal interaction and correspondence with a number of those tortured in Punjab post-1984 that later came here to the United States, many have told me that the way they were able to bear such pain was to remember the words of Guru Arjan when facing a similar situation "Tera kia meetha lagai, har nam padarath Nanak manga….' (SGGS, 394). So while there may be much merit to your point, I do believe that divorcing the Guru Granth Sahib of the ability to embolden 'beer-russ' implies that it is not complete, when I and many others do believe that all is within it and that is why as you said it is our True Guru.
4) Finally, can we engage in a hypothetical experiment? Let us try to understand the other side without name-calling and slander (although the other side probably engages in this malicious practice as well). You are saying that you are trying to defend the dasam granth. They are saying that they are trying to defend the Guru Granth Sahib. However, both sides are ONLY talking about the dasam granth and NOT about the Guru Granth Sahib. Can we, atleast for this year, ONLY talk about the Guru Granth Sahib? The Guru Granth Sahib unites us. Let your side and their side focus all of our energies on the Guru Granth Sahib. Should we not focus on what unites us rather than divides us? Don't we have enough that divides us? In 1999, we had a wonderful opportunity to unite our community. Unfortunately this opportunity was squabbled on the personal politics between Bhai Ranjit Singh, Tohra, and Badal. Unfortunately many sides in the community became part of this fiasco as well. This year let us rise above it.
I hope that I said nothing to offend you and humbly apologize if I have misquoted, misunderstood, or mistaken anything.
Dear Brother Balwant,
You raise a number of different issues, so let me see if we can have a fruitful discussion. At the beginning of this, let me state that I see you as my brother and hope we can engage with love and understanding of one another. If this is not possible, then I will refrain from further commentary with you.
1) You raise the issue:
However, this is a key point. Jathebandes such as the AKJ and DT utilize their own maryadas. The same is true for groups such as Nanaksarias as well. However, the Panthic Sikh Rehat Maryada only describes those 5 as central to the Nitnem. If you wish to do more, then by all means do so. No one will ever stop you from doing more paath, but the Panthic Rehat Maryada is to bind us together based on a minimum common platform where we stand together.
2) Another interesting point was when you stated:
This point made me reflect quite a bit. I think there is never a wrong time to honor Guru Gobind Singh. Honor him 365 days a year (366 this year!). However, I don’t recall any celebrations for a ‘jyoti-jot.’ I think this raises a key issue. We do not celebrate the physical passing of the body. We do celebrate those that bless us by being a ‘witness’ (Shaheed) to the greatness of Waheguru, but I don’t ever recall ever ‘celebrating’ the ‘jyoti-jot’ of any Guru in the Gurdwara. Maybe it is different where you are from?
3) I think I understand the gist of your argument about the dasam granth, but I think your logic can be very dangerous. You are dividing the Guru Granth Sahib as being only ‘spiritual’ that does not elicit ‘beer-russ.’ However, by implication you are saying the Guru Granth Sahib, alone, is incomplete. However, for many Sikhs this ‘beer-russ’ does in fact come from the Guru Granth Sahib. Sardar Udham Singh on the top of a letter to a friend in Punjab explaining his actions wrote ‘Jo tho prem khelan ka chao….’ (SGGS, 1412). Many Khalsa warriors remembered Bhagat Kabir’s oft-cited ‘Gagan damama bajio pario nisane ghao….’ (SGGS, 1005). In fact through personal interaction and correspondence with a number of those tortured in Punjab post-1984 that later came here to the United States, many have told me that the way they were able to bear such pain was to remember the words of Guru Arjan when facing a similar situation “Tera kia meetha lagai, har nam padarath Nanak manga….’ (SGGS, 394). So while there may be much merit to your point, I do believe that divorcing the Guru Granth Sahib of the ability to embolden ‘beer-russ’ implies that it is not complete, when I and many others do believe that all is within it and that is why as you said it is our True Guru.
4) Finally, can we engage in a hypothetical experiment? Let us try to understand the other side without name-calling and slander (although the other side probably engages in this malicious practice as well). You are saying that you are trying to defend the dasam granth. They are saying that they are trying to defend the Guru Granth Sahib. However, both sides are ONLY talking about the dasam granth and NOT about the Guru Granth Sahib. Can we, atleast for this year, ONLY talk about the Guru Granth Sahib? The Guru Granth Sahib unites us. Let your side and their side focus all of our energies on the Guru Granth Sahib. Should we not focus on what unites us rather than divides us? Don’t we have enough that divides us? In 1999, we had a wonderful opportunity to unite our community. Unfortunately this opportunity was squabbled on the personal politics between Bhai Ranjit Singh, Tohra, and Badal. Unfortunately many sides in the community became part of this fiasco as well. This year let us rise above it.
I hope that I said nothing to offend you and humbly apologize if I have misquoted, misunderstood, or mistaken anything.
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Mewa Singh ji I also respect as brother and wish to be civilized and polite in discussion as any Gursikhs should do.
The DamDamiTaksal Gurmat Maryada, and the AKJ "Contentions to the SGPC Maryada" are not denounced by Sri Akal Takht Sahib. In fact, the DDT Gurmat Maryada is accepted as legitimate at Sri Akal Takht Sahib. The SGPC-published "Sikh Reht Maryada" is a very important document, but it is not a complete document as it did not have the participation of the complete Khalsa Panth. Therefore it cannot be called as "Panthic." Although it is the basic set of rules, some of those maryadas are against the Sikh traditions.
I agree, but we do recognize the Jyoti Jyot Divas. The point of my statement was that Guru Gobind Singh Sahib Ji is our father, and their writings are also Gurbani, but not under the title of our Guru, like Guru Granth Sahib ji.
No, Guru Granth Sahib ji is our poora satguru and Our poora satguru cannot be incomplete. But our poora satguru, Guru Granth Sahib Ji, when they were in the form of Guru Gobind Singh ji, blessed us with Dasam Granth Sahib as a warrior spirit guide. Anybody who meditates on Guru Granth Sahib ji and practices the teachings of Guru Granth Sahib ji with love and faith will achieve union with God. However in this world, to fight the battles that the Khalsa must fight, Guru Granth Sahib ji, when they were in the form of Guru Gobind Singh ji, gave us Dasam Granth Sahib. Those writings give us the knowledge of relationships, politics, diplomacy, warrior code of conduct, the art of war, and how to be brave in face of adversity.
You should look into how many saints in Sikh history have read Dasam Granth Sahib, and known that it is Gurbani. This disease of doubting Guru Gobind Singh ji's writings is contemporary. It is recent, and it is a new game of the Brahmin snake, to engulf the Sikh nation and keep us as sheep.
People who are questioning Guru ji's writings are dividing us, not the writings themselves. We are divided, as I have written above, because we do not know the dangers of infiltration in our community of people with ulterior motives. We don't know how to weed out the spies, people who are trying to dissolve our traditions and make us all Brahmins. We are divided BECAUSE we don't read Guru Granth Sahib Ji and Dasam Granth Sahib enough.
These type of issues are always brought forth in special anniversary years because they divide us. People who are paid by the RSS and people who would like to see the Sikh community dissolved are motivated to come up with bogus scenarios like the langar controversy and this year, the Dasam Granth issue, which is as preposterous, ludicrous and immature as doubting the bani in Guru Granth Sahib ji.
Mewa Singh ji I also respect as brother and wish to be civilized and polite in discussion as any Gursikhs should do.
The DamDamiTaksal Gurmat Maryada, and the AKJ “Contentions to the SGPC Maryada” are not denounced by Sri Akal Takht Sahib. In fact, the DDT Gurmat Maryada is accepted as legitimate at Sri Akal Takht Sahib. The SGPC-published “Sikh Reht Maryada” is a very important document, but it is not a complete document as it did not have the participation of the complete Khalsa Panth. Therefore it cannot be called as “Panthic.” Although it is the basic set of rules, some of those maryadas are against the Sikh traditions.
I agree, but we do recognize the Jyoti Jyot Divas. The point of my statement was that Guru Gobind Singh Sahib Ji is our father, and their writings are also Gurbani, but not under the title of our Guru, like Guru Granth Sahib ji.
No, Guru Granth Sahib ji is our poora satguru and Our poora satguru cannot be incomplete. But our poora satguru, Guru Granth Sahib Ji, when they were in the form of Guru Gobind Singh ji, blessed us with Dasam Granth Sahib as a warrior spirit guide. Anybody who meditates on Guru Granth Sahib ji and practices the teachings of Guru Granth Sahib ji with love and faith will achieve union with God. However in this world, to fight the battles that the Khalsa must fight, Guru Granth Sahib ji, when they were in the form of Guru Gobind Singh ji, gave us Dasam Granth Sahib. Those writings give us the knowledge of relationships, politics, diplomacy, warrior code of conduct, the art of war, and how to be brave in face of adversity.
You should look into how many saints in Sikh history have read Dasam Granth Sahib, and known that it is Gurbani. This disease of doubting Guru Gobind Singh ji’s writings is contemporary. It is recent, and it is a new game of the Brahmin snake, to engulf the Sikh nation and keep us as sheep.
People who are questioning Guru ji’s writings are dividing us, not the writings themselves. We are divided, as I have written above, because we do not know the dangers of infiltration in our community of people with ulterior motives. We don’t know how to weed out the spies, people who are trying to dissolve our traditions and make us all Brahmins. We are divided BECAUSE we don’t read Guru Granth Sahib Ji and Dasam Granth Sahib enough.
These type of issues are always brought forth in special anniversary years because they divide us. People who are paid by the RSS and people who would like to see the Sikh community dissolved are motivated to come up with bogus scenarios like the langar controversy and this year, the Dasam Granth issue, which is as preposterous, ludicrous and immature as doubting the bani in Guru Granth Sahib ji.
Trust me, brothers and sisters – we all love to read Harry Potter. 500 pages. 1000 pages. We all jump to read big novels. We read our school university textbooks. 800 pages. We watch YouTube, we read blogs. But we do not want to read Guru Granth Sahib ji and Dasam Granth Sahib.
Go to http://www.SriGranth.org and http://www.SriDasam.org – read them both. Dasam Granth Sahib is not the Guru of the Sikh community, but without it you cannot make a Khalsa of Guru Gobind Singh Ji. It is a necessary tool to fight in this world. You all read manuals, textbooks, watch inspirational movies – why don't you read the most inspirational WARRIOR MANUAL in the history of the world? Only after reading and reflecting will you understand Dasam Granth Sahib is from the blessed pen of our father Guru Gobind Singh ji.
Trust me, brothers and sisters – we all love to read Harry Potter. 500 pages. 1000 pages. We all jump to read big novels. We read our school university textbooks. 800 pages. We watch YouTube, we read blogs. But we do not want to read Guru Granth Sahib ji and Dasam Granth Sahib.
Go to http://www.SriGranth.org and http://www.SriDasam.org – read them both. Dasam Granth Sahib is not the Guru of the Sikh community, but without it you cannot make a Khalsa of Guru Gobind Singh Ji. It is a necessary tool to fight in this world. You all read manuals, textbooks, watch inspirational movies – why don’t you read the most inspirational WARRIOR MANUAL in the history of the world? Only after reading and reflecting will you understand Dasam Granth Sahib is from the blessed pen of our father Guru Gobind Singh ji.
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-Jodha
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-Jodha
interesting twist balwant is that the RSS actually backs your view. RSS loves the dasamgranth.
interesting twist balwant is that the RSS actually backs your view. RSS loves the dasamgranth.
also jodha didn't finish sant ji's quote
after he said,
he said:
when can we grow up and stop calling each one another agents? anyone that disagrees with us is not automatically an agent.
also jodha didn’t finish sant ji’s quote
after he said,
he said:
when can we grow up and stop calling each one another agents? anyone that disagrees with us is not automatically an agent.
The "20th Century's Greatest Sikh," as you lovingly call Santji, was also ardent believer in Dasam Granth Sahib, and would not tolerate slander of the Guru. Akal Takht Sahib has given hukam not to doubt the authenticity of Dasam Granth sahib, so if you want unity in panth, tell the faithless to not doubt mankind's greatest warrior manual ever.
The “20th Century’s Greatest Sikh,” as you lovingly call Santji, was also ardent believer in Dasam Granth Sahib, and would not tolerate slander of the Guru. Akal Takht Sahib has given hukam not to doubt the authenticity of Dasam Granth sahib, so if you want unity in panth, tell the faithless to not doubt mankind’s greatest warrior manual ever.
RSS does not loves Dasam Granth, they loves to misinterpret and misinform as do faithless who do not believe in it. Everyone without knowledge misinterprets. Truth is our father says "I do not believe in Ganesha to be the first, I never remember Krishna or Vishnu, I do not listen to them with my ears. My focus is on the lotus feet of God." – from Dasam Granth Sahib.
RSS does not loves Dasam Granth, they loves to misinterpret and misinform as do faithless who do not believe in it. Everyone without knowledge misinterprets. Truth is our father says “I do not believe in Ganesha to be the first, I never remember Krishna or Vishnu, I do not listen to them with my ears. My focus is on the lotus feet of God.” – from Dasam Granth Sahib.
It's been brought up, discussed, debated and concluded three times before – each time with the same outcome! Isn't it time to let this topic rest?
PS: On a personal note, I'll believe the writings from 1896 wayyyy before I believe the opinion of a modern-day 'scholar!'
[quote comment="1115"]Trust me, brothers and sisters – we all love to read Harry Potter. 500 pages. 1000 pages. We all jump to read big novels. We read our school university textbooks. 800 pages. We watch YouTube, we read blogs. But we do not want to read Guru Granth Sahib ji and Dasam Granth Sahib.
Go to http://www.SriGranth.org and http://www.SriDasam.org – read them both. Dasam Granth Sahib is not the Guru of the Sikh community, but without it you cannot make a Khalsa of Guru Gobind Singh Ji. It is a necessary tool to fight in this world. You all read manuals, textbooks, watch inspirational movies – why don't you read the most inspirational WARRIOR MANUAL in the history of the world? Only after reading and reflecting will you understand Dasam Granth Sahib is from the blessed pen of our father Guru Gobind Singh ji.[/quote]
Waheguru!
It’s been brought up, discussed, debated and concluded three times before – each time with the same outcome! Isn’t it time to let this topic rest?
PS: On a personal note, I’ll believe the writings from 1896 wayyyy before I believe the opinion of a modern-day ‘scholar!’
[quote comment=”1115″]Trust me, brothers and sisters – we all love to read Harry Potter. 500 pages. 1000 pages. We all jump to read big novels. We read our school university textbooks. 800 pages. We watch YouTube, we read blogs. But we do not want to read Guru Granth Sahib ji and Dasam Granth Sahib.
Go to http://www.SriGranth.org and http://www.SriDasam.org – read them both. Dasam Granth Sahib is not the Guru of the Sikh community, but without it you cannot make a Khalsa of Guru Gobind Singh Ji. It is a necessary tool to fight in this world. You all read manuals, textbooks, watch inspirational movies – why don’t you read the most inspirational WARRIOR MANUAL in the history of the world? Only after reading and reflecting will you understand Dasam Granth Sahib is from the blessed pen of our father Guru Gobind Singh ji.[/quote]
Waheguru!
G. S. Lamba in Dasam Granth Seminar
A seminar was organized in Bradshaw Gurdwara in Sacramento, CA in February 2008 where the speakers supposedly discussed Dasam Granth. I could not get enough time to watch all videos in one go, but made sure to first listen to Gurcharanjit Singh Lamba who is very proactive on the topic. For some reason, he sounded like coming from the same training system as that of Dr. (phony) Amarjit Singh (http://www.khalistan-affairs.org). In his entire ~ 54 mins of talk, G. S. Lamba rarely talks/cites from AGGS. However, what he does cite is “jugo jug atal Ram Katha” and tries to incite violent reaction against anybody who raises a question on content of Dasam Granth. For this, he could be charged with instigating hatred and violence in the U.S. under the law.
In the video, G. S. Lamba is saying that just like Akaal Takhat is needed in addition to Golden Temple , Dasam Granth is needed in addition to AGGS. He says that things which have not been said clearly in AGGS have been told clearly in Dasam Granth. So according to G. S. Lamba, AGGS does not give clear message and Dasam Granth is needed to understand it. Then he says that we talk about 4 things – AGGS talks about dharam and moksh but it does not talk about the other 2 which are covered by Dasam Granth. I have not heard anything more illiterate than this. If Dasam Granth was intended to complete the voidness (according to G. S. Lamba), then does it mean the Guru Gobind Singh made mistake by not asking Sikhs to take Dasam Granth as Guru as well?
He says that AGGS is for all but Akal Takhat is for Sikhs only. And then says that –
This statement is nothing more than gobbledygook. What "farz" is he talking about here, one gets no idea?
He continues with funny statement that we have got so much freedom that some people have started doing "charitar hannan" of Gurus (indicating to Guru Gobind Singh). He then again tries to instigate people against Sikh scholars who are researching on Dasam Granth by making the statement –
. He incites people further by using Jarnail Singh Bhindranwala's name and asking –
According to G. S. Lamba, anybody who is researching on content of Dasam Granth is just talking what Swami Dayanand Saraswati said. By this claim, G. S. Lamba is perhaps trying to cash on by creating another blind-folded hatred against the researchers on Dasam Granth. In fact, Swami Dayanand Saraswati would have been the happiest person on the earth to accept entire Dasam Granth. He would have been friends with G. S. Lamba et al and not the people with other point of view.
The most outrageous comment from G. S. Lamba in the video was: –
What?? ..does that mean there were no Sikhs before Dasam Granth appeared on the scene?
On the question that he has not read AGGS and Dasam Granth he gives another funny statement –
One is left wondering – Does this statement answer what he pretends to answer by it?
Further in the video, he is saying that its was Akaal from whom Durga got "vardaan" and killed the "Rakshas". The question to ask G. S. Lamba is- does Gurbani agree with this view? Does gurbani agree that somebody can sit in "tapsya" and get special powers from God? G. S. Lamba also says in the video that the metaphorical sentence "Sawa Lakh Se Ik ladayoon" literally means the same.
Towards the end he is citing a chandd and is saying that – Guru Gobind Singh is asking the almighty for both – good and bad thoughts. Now this is shocking, G. S. Lamba should corroborate his claim by citing AGGS that Sikhs should deliberately ask for bad thoughts.
To summarize, G. S. Lamba in this video does not present even a single thought provoking argument in favor of his views. All that he does is an attempt to instigate violence against Sikh researchers who are working on authenticity of Dasam Granth.
Regards,
-Akashdeep Singh
Appendix
For sake of readers who are unaware of the different threads in the forum on this seminar, the following information is reproduced: –
The seminar videos can be seen here:
1. http://www.sridasamgranth.com/#/sridasamgranthint…
2. http://www.sridasamgranth.com/#/sridasamgranthint…
G. S. Lamba is the last speaker in the video link #2 above. He is the current editor of magazine "Sant Sipahi". Sikhs should listen to videos to see what these "leaders" are saying and what they want you to believe.
Dr. Harpal Singh Pannu in the Dasam Granth Seminar
My curiosity on the "International Seminar on Dasam Granth" (Bradshaw Gurdwara, Stockton, CA, Feb 2008) continued and I started listening carefully to one more video posted at the website http://www.sridasamgranth.com. The speaker was much publicized Ph.D. holder with the credentials of having advised 3 Ph. D.s on the topic of Dasam Granth and known as Dr. Harpal Singh Pannu. Just like one would expect from a Ph.D. , my expectation from Dr. Harpal Singh Pannu's speech was to hear something pithy and thought provoking, does not matter if the same is said in simple language. However, I can only say that I am disappointed and I believe that he has not done justice to his Ph. D. degree in the speech.
In the seminar videos, Dr. Harpal Singh Pannu says –"…is sacramento di dharti te aseen sarey kathey hoye yaan ajj eh sabit karan layi, ke Sri Dasam Granth Sahib atey Guru Gobind Singh ji de pavan charana ton wadh sari duniya wich sadey layi koi cheej nahi hai". Right in the beginning Dr. Harpal Singh Pannu is reflecting what the focus of the talk will be and what he wants his listeners to believe. However, let me remind Dr. Pannu that it is AGGS (Aad Guru Granth Sahib) that the Sikhs behold as the highest bani and not anything else.
According to Dr. Pannu one should either say that all the banis are of Guru Gobind Singh or none of them are from Tenth Nanak. He says that those people who present the view that only some of the current content of Dasam Granth could be from the pen of Tenth Nanak are cowards. According to Dr. Pannu these people are saying so as they are afraid of being thrashed. They fear raising the voice against Nitnem banis. Does Dr. Pannu want people to change views because he thinks there can only be 2 types of views that can exist, or does Dr. Pannu want researchers to get instigated by his comment and pass illogical statement on which he can later cash on? Answers are known to Dr. Pannu only as he does not make them enough clear in his talk.
Dr. Pannu says that starting from Teja Singh Bhasod, Giani Bhag Singh and to the present 3-4 people like "Ragi Darshan Singh" (who are talking on the content of Dasam Granth), it has been a trend of first attacking Dasam Granth and then following up with an attack on Guru Granth. He says, "…this has continued from 300 years". One should listen carefully what he is saying – that the current Dasam Granth has been in the intact form from last 300 years. Just like other speakers in the seminar, Dr. Pannu very quickly resorts to emotional blackmail and building fear in the minds by saying that people will now attack Guru Granth.
His focus on Jarnail Singh Bhindranwala is also noteworthy, perhaps this is yet another method to evoke emotional outbursts and block logical thinking among the listeners.
After 05 mins of talking he states – "…lets talk about the topic". He says same things like G.S. Lamba that AGGS is for internal strength, but Dasam Granth helps in outward war and prepares one externally.
The following comment from Dr. Harpal Singh Pannu would sound outrageous to any Sikh of Guru Nanak –
“…kai bari rabb dharti te aake ither dakhal dinda hai….dwapar with Krishan ji, pher Ram Chandar ji…."
(…sometimes Akaal takes birth on this earth and interferes with the things in progress ….in dwapar Krishan ji, then Ram Chandar ji are some of the examples)
With this claim, Dr. Pannu is totally flouting the opening verse of AGGS. On one hand he tries to emotionally blackmail the audience by saying that if you will not stop people from raising questions on Dasam Granth they will attack AGGS as well, on the other hand he himself is talking against the principles and philosophies that are mentioned in AGGS. Now, if God takes birth and comes into the form, then Dr. Pannu must be disagreeing on the opening verse of AGGS, right?
In the previous claim, Dr. Pannu is not talking anything coherent with AGGS, but is just repeating the view in Bhagwat Geeta’s Sanskrit shlok reproduced below:-
??? ??? ?? ??????? ???????????? ???? ?
?????????????????? ????????? ?????????? ??-??
"Oh Arjuna! When there is a decline in Dharma and rise in Adharma, I incarnate for the establishment of Dharma."
[Sanskrit Verse, Bhagwat Gita, Chapter IV -7]
?????????? ??????? ??????? ? ?????????? ?
?????????????????? ???????? ???? ???? ??-??
"To deliver the pious and to annihilate the miscreants, as well as to reestablish the principles of religion, I Myself appear, millennium after millennium."
[Sanskrit Verse, Bhagwat Gita, Chapter IV -8]
Bharat is a known address for Arjun (a character in Mahabharat), and in the shlok above, it is believed, that Krishan is talking with Arjun.
On the other hand, AGGS opens with the following view which should be clear to every reasonable Sikh: –
? ??? ???? ???? ????? ????? ??????? ???? ????? ????? ???? ??? ??????? ?
One is left wondering about Dr. Harpal Singh Pannu's choice of priorities in choosing examples and his source of philosophies.
According to Dr. Pannu, if AGGS is the soul Dasam Granth is its body or the skin. He says that if soul is not present the body is useless and similarly if body is not present soul cannot be found anywhere. He furthers this logic by stating that Dasam Granth is our fortress (intended for protection). It is left to the readers to decide how much obnoxious this comment from Dr. Pannu is.
Then continues with the claim that Bachitter Natak is the autobiography of Guru Gobind Singh ji and in it Guru wrote about his previous births. He says that Buddhism and Vedantism has the tradition of telling the previous birth by creating mythological stories before writing the Granth.
He mentions that he is ready and open to ideas as we all Sikhs are learners till the end, however does not reflect the same in his talk. Now note his focus, what he wants to spray on the minds of the young listeners – "Gairatmand Hindus became Sikhs". He also says that Guru Gobind Singh ji told about his previous life in the lines "Mahakaal Kalika Aradhi …." so that the purpose of writing Dasam Granth could become clear. (…one may wonder, is AKJ now agreeing on the definition of Mahakaal). There are other things to wonder on this claim from Dr. Harpal Singh Pannu, but these are left to the interested readers.
What follows up after is perhaps the most insulting statement anybody can make on AGGS right in the face of Sikhs. Dr. Pannu says that via Bachitter Natak Guru Gobind Singh ji is telling that the Truth was brought into this world via various granths like Mahabharat and the Vedas, he is saying that the Rigvedas contain truth. Dr. Pannu further says that Guru Gobind Singh ji is saying that the Rigvedas contain the Truth which as brought in this world by the vedic rishis but now the world has forgotton that Truth. (Great! now one can clearly see the ulterior motive of Dr. Harpal Singh Pannu). He is then saying that Guru Gobind Singh ji is saying that it was him who released the Rigved, it was him who brought the Naths, it was him who did the "tapsyas". And then Dr. Pannu throws the most intolerable blow in the face of Sikhs by saying, "Guru Gobind Singh ji (in Bachchiter Natak) is saying that I will now present the same truth (from Rigvedas) in front of you, but in a different language".
He claims – "I have studied all the major religions of the world and none of the writers of those Granths say that they are going to tell you some new thing. They all said that I am going to give you the truth that was told by our ancestors and that you have now forgotten". Nothing can be more far from truth than this statement. In fact, many religions existing in this world claim that theirs is the only Truth. Not just that, they claim theirs is the only first and last Truth of life which can save you from “Hell” or give you some kind of “Moksha”.
He further says that – Guru Gobind Singh ji found many instances of Hindu mythological characters in the Guru Granth sahib and realized that it will be the Hindus which will follow the Khalsa Panth and not the Muslims, and hence he wrote the stories in Dasam Granth. Dr. Pannu then asserts, "The flow of Khalsa panth has come out of the Hindus".
He follows up with a lame logic comprised out of assumption that all the people are opposing or researching the content of Dasam Granth just because RSS is adopting it. He then asks, "If RSS adopts Guru Granth sahib, will you then say the same about it?"
He then alleges that Guru Gobind Singh is using slandering language for the Hindu characters like Krishan etc. One should note that Professor Sahib Singh in his teeka of AGGS did not even accept that a ridiculing language against other people could ever be cited in by the Gurus in AGGs, forget about themselves uttering such words. On the other hand, Dr. Pannu is saying that Guru Gobind Singh is using that language in derogatory sense because he does not have belief in such characters. While it seems fine that Guru Gobind Singh ji did not have belief in these characters, but would he use such kind of language?
First, Dr. Pannu says that nobody gave a new theory in their Granths but just repeated what was said before the period. Then he says Rigveda say the truth and Guru Gobind Singh ji just repeated that truth in Dasam Granth using different langauge. According to Hindu belief the vedas are a direct language of the GOD. So, here Dr. Pannu proves that Sikhism is nothing but just a branch (or may be the same) of Hinduism. He then continues with a self-conflicting view that people who give new meanings to the old mythological stories are very powerful and fertile minds.
He cites Bhansavalinama of Kesar Singh chibber, that people asked Guru what will be the status of Dasam Granth and then Guru replied, "Consider it my play", then Guru gave birth to the "chota granth ji" by his own hands and "played with it with his own hands".
He agrees that the older name of this granth was "Bachchiter Natak" and the "Khalsa Panth" kept the name "Dasam Granth" and that keeping this name is the prerogative of the Khalsa Panth. He then says that the world is not categorized in AGGS but Dasam Granth presents a well categorized view of the world.
Dr. Harpal Singh Pannu's speech contains claims contradictory to AGGS (Aad Guru Granth Sahib) and is loaded with emotional appeals (one can call emotional blackmail). One can note that his speech is full of pathos and lacks the logos altogether. This cannot be a speech by someone with the credentials that Dr. Harpal Singh Pannu is perceived with, and hence he kills the ethos himself. What is left in the speech for the listeners to grasp?
–
–
Regards,
Akashdeep Singh
Portland, OR
G. S. Lamba in Dasam Granth Seminar
A seminar was organized in Bradshaw Gurdwara in Sacramento, CA in February 2008 where the speakers supposedly discussed Dasam Granth. I could not get enough time to watch all videos in one go, but made sure to first listen to Gurcharanjit Singh Lamba who is very proactive on the topic. For some reason, he sounded like coming from the same training system as that of Dr. (phony) Amarjit Singh (http://www.khalistan-affairs.org). In his entire ~ 54 mins of talk, G. S. Lamba rarely talks/cites from AGGS. However, what he does cite is “jugo jug atal Ram Katha” and tries to incite violent reaction against anybody who raises a question on content of Dasam Granth. For this, he could be charged with instigating hatred and violence in the U.S. under the law.
In the video, G. S. Lamba is saying that just like Akaal Takhat is needed in addition to Golden Temple , Dasam Granth is needed in addition to AGGS. He says that things which have not been said clearly in AGGS have been told clearly in Dasam Granth. So according to G. S. Lamba, AGGS does not give clear message and Dasam Granth is needed to understand it. Then he says that we talk about 4 things – AGGS talks about dharam and moksh but it does not talk about the other 2 which are covered by Dasam Granth. I have not heard anything more illiterate than this. If Dasam Granth was intended to complete the voidness (according to G. S. Lamba), then does it mean the Guru Gobind Singh made mistake by not asking Sikhs to take Dasam Granth as Guru as well?
He says that AGGS is for all but Akal Takhat is for Sikhs only. And then says that –
This statement is nothing more than gobbledygook. What “farz” is he talking about here, one gets no idea?
He continues with funny statement that we have got so much freedom that some people have started doing “charitar hannan” of Gurus (indicating to Guru Gobind Singh). He then again tries to instigate people against Sikh scholars who are researching on Dasam Granth by making the statement –
. He incites people further by using Jarnail Singh Bhindranwala’s name and asking –
According to G. S. Lamba, anybody who is researching on content of Dasam Granth is just talking what Swami Dayanand Saraswati said. By this claim, G. S. Lamba is perhaps trying to cash on by creating another blind-folded hatred against the researchers on Dasam Granth. In fact, Swami Dayanand Saraswati would have been the happiest person on the earth to accept entire Dasam Granth. He would have been friends with G. S. Lamba et al and not the people with other point of view.
The most outrageous comment from G. S. Lamba in the video was: –
What?? ..does that mean there were no Sikhs before Dasam Granth appeared on the scene?
On the question that he has not read AGGS and Dasam Granth he gives another funny statement –
One is left wondering – Does this statement answer what he pretends to answer by it?
Further in the video, he is saying that its was Akaal from whom Durga got “vardaan” and killed the “Rakshas”. The question to ask G. S. Lamba is- does Gurbani agree with this view? Does gurbani agree that somebody can sit in “tapsya” and get special powers from God? G. S. Lamba also says in the video that the metaphorical sentence “Sawa Lakh Se Ik ladayoon” literally means the same.
Towards the end he is citing a chandd and is saying that – Guru Gobind Singh is asking the almighty for both – good and bad thoughts. Now this is shocking, G. S. Lamba should corroborate his claim by citing AGGS that Sikhs should deliberately ask for bad thoughts.
To summarize, G. S. Lamba in this video does not present even a single thought provoking argument in favor of his views. All that he does is an attempt to instigate violence against Sikh researchers who are working on authenticity of Dasam Granth.
Regards,
-Akashdeep Singh
Appendix
For sake of readers who are unaware of the different threads in the forum on this seminar, the following information is reproduced: –
The seminar videos can be seen here:
1. http://www.sridasamgranth.com/#/sridasamgranthinternationa/4527492983
2. http://www.sridasamgranth.com/#/sridasamgranthinternationa/4527525513
G. S. Lamba is the last speaker in the video link #2 above. He is the current editor of magazine “Sant Sipahi”. Sikhs should listen to videos to see what these “leaders” are saying and what they want you to believe.
Dr. Harpal Singh Pannu in the Dasam Granth Seminar
My curiosity on the “International Seminar on Dasam Granth” (Bradshaw Gurdwara, Stockton, CA, Feb 2008) continued and I started listening carefully to one more video posted at the website http://www.sridasamgranth.com. The speaker was much publicized Ph.D. holder with the credentials of having advised 3 Ph. D.s on the topic of Dasam Granth and known as Dr. Harpal Singh Pannu. Just like one would expect from a Ph.D. , my expectation from Dr. Harpal Singh Pannu’s speech was to hear something pithy and thought provoking, does not matter if the same is said in simple language. However, I can only say that I am disappointed and I believe that he has not done justice to his Ph. D. degree in the speech.
In the seminar videos, Dr. Harpal Singh Pannu says –“…is sacramento di dharti te aseen sarey kathey hoye yaan ajj eh sabit karan layi, ke Sri Dasam Granth Sahib atey Guru Gobind Singh ji de pavan charana ton wadh sari duniya wich sadey layi koi cheej nahi hai”. Right in the beginning Dr. Harpal Singh Pannu is reflecting what the focus of the talk will be and what he wants his listeners to believe. However, let me remind Dr. Pannu that it is AGGS (Aad Guru Granth Sahib) that the Sikhs behold as the highest bani and not anything else.
According to Dr. Pannu one should either say that all the banis are of Guru Gobind Singh or none of them are from Tenth Nanak. He says that those people who present the view that only some of the current content of Dasam Granth could be from the pen of Tenth Nanak are cowards. According to Dr. Pannu these people are saying so as they are afraid of being thrashed. They fear raising the voice against Nitnem banis. Does Dr. Pannu want people to change views because he thinks there can only be 2 types of views that can exist, or does Dr. Pannu want researchers to get instigated by his comment and pass illogical statement on which he can later cash on? Answers are known to Dr. Pannu only as he does not make them enough clear in his talk.
Dr. Pannu says that starting from Teja Singh Bhasod, Giani Bhag Singh and to the present 3-4 people like “Ragi Darshan Singh” (who are talking on the content of Dasam Granth), it has been a trend of first attacking Dasam Granth and then following up with an attack on Guru Granth. He says, “…this has continued from 300 years”. One should listen carefully what he is saying – that the current Dasam Granth has been in the intact form from last 300 years. Just like other speakers in the seminar, Dr. Pannu very quickly resorts to emotional blackmail and building fear in the minds by saying that people will now attack Guru Granth.
His focus on Jarnail Singh Bhindranwala is also noteworthy, perhaps this is yet another method to evoke emotional outbursts and block logical thinking among the listeners.
After 05 mins of talking he states – “…lets talk about the topic”. He says same things like G.S. Lamba that AGGS is for internal strength, but Dasam Granth helps in outward war and prepares one externally.
The following comment from Dr. Harpal Singh Pannu would sound outrageous to any Sikh of Guru Nanak –
“…kai bari rabb dharti te aake ither dakhal dinda hai….dwapar with Krishan ji, pher Ram Chandar ji….”
(…sometimes Akaal takes birth on this earth and interferes with the things in progress ….in dwapar Krishan ji, then Ram Chandar ji are some of the examples)
With this claim, Dr. Pannu is totally flouting the opening verse of AGGS. On one hand he tries to emotionally blackmail the audience by saying that if you will not stop people from raising questions on Dasam Granth they will attack AGGS as well, on the other hand he himself is talking against the principles and philosophies that are mentioned in AGGS. Now, if God takes birth and comes into the form, then Dr. Pannu must be disagreeing on the opening verse of AGGS, right?
In the previous claim, Dr. Pannu is not talking anything coherent with AGGS, but is just repeating the view in Bhagwat Geeta’s Sanskrit shlok reproduced below:-
??? ??? ?? ??????? ???????????? ???? ?
?????????????????? ????????? ?????????? ??-??
“Oh Arjuna! When there is a decline in Dharma and rise in Adharma, I incarnate for the establishment of Dharma.”
[Sanskrit Verse, Bhagwat Gita, Chapter IV -7]
?????????? ??????? ??????? ? ?????????? ?
?????????????????? ???????? ???? ???? ??-??
“To deliver the pious and to annihilate the miscreants, as well as to reestablish the principles of religion, I Myself appear, millennium after millennium.”
[Sanskrit Verse, Bhagwat Gita, Chapter IV -8]
Bharat is a known address for Arjun (a character in Mahabharat), and in the shlok above, it is believed, that Krishan is talking with Arjun.
On the other hand, AGGS opens with the following view which should be clear to every reasonable Sikh: –
? ??? ???? ???? ????? ????? ??????? ???? ????? ????? ???? ??? ??????? ?
One is left wondering about Dr. Harpal Singh Pannu’s choice of priorities in choosing examples and his source of philosophies.
According to Dr. Pannu, if AGGS is the soul Dasam Granth is its body or the skin. He says that if soul is not present the body is useless and similarly if body is not present soul cannot be found anywhere. He furthers this logic by stating that Dasam Granth is our fortress (intended for protection). It is left to the readers to decide how much obnoxious this comment from Dr. Pannu is.
Then continues with the claim that Bachitter Natak is the autobiography of Guru Gobind Singh ji and in it Guru wrote about his previous births. He says that Buddhism and Vedantism has the tradition of telling the previous birth by creating mythological stories before writing the Granth.
He mentions that he is ready and open to ideas as we all Sikhs are learners till the end, however does not reflect the same in his talk. Now note his focus, what he wants to spray on the minds of the young listeners – “Gairatmand Hindus became Sikhs”. He also says that Guru Gobind Singh ji told about his previous life in the lines “Mahakaal Kalika Aradhi ….” so that the purpose of writing Dasam Granth could become clear. (…one may wonder, is AKJ now agreeing on the definition of Mahakaal). There are other things to wonder on this claim from Dr. Harpal Singh Pannu, but these are left to the interested readers.
What follows up after is perhaps the most insulting statement anybody can make on AGGS right in the face of Sikhs. Dr. Pannu says that via Bachitter Natak Guru Gobind Singh ji is telling that the Truth was brought into this world via various granths like Mahabharat and the Vedas, he is saying that the Rigvedas contain truth. Dr. Pannu further says that Guru Gobind Singh ji is saying that the Rigvedas contain the Truth which as brought in this world by the vedic rishis but now the world has forgotton that Truth. (Great! now one can clearly see the ulterior motive of Dr. Harpal Singh Pannu). He is then saying that Guru Gobind Singh ji is saying that it was him who released the Rigved, it was him who brought the Naths, it was him who did the “tapsyas”. And then Dr. Pannu throws the most intolerable blow in the face of Sikhs by saying, “Guru Gobind Singh ji (in Bachchiter Natak) is saying that I will now present the same truth (from Rigvedas) in front of you, but in a different language”.
He claims – “I have studied all the major religions of the world and none of the writers of those Granths say that they are going to tell you some new thing. They all said that I am going to give you the truth that was told by our ancestors and that you have now forgotten”. Nothing can be more far from truth than this statement. In fact, many religions existing in this world claim that theirs is the only Truth. Not just that, they claim theirs is the only first and last Truth of life which can save you from “Hell” or give you some kind of “Moksha”.
He further says that – Guru Gobind Singh ji found many instances of Hindu mythological characters in the Guru Granth sahib and realized that it will be the Hindus which will follow the Khalsa Panth and not the Muslims, and hence he wrote the stories in Dasam Granth. Dr. Pannu then asserts, “The flow of Khalsa panth has come out of the Hindus”.
He follows up with a lame logic comprised out of assumption that all the people are opposing or researching the content of Dasam Granth just because RSS is adopting it. He then asks, “If RSS adopts Guru Granth sahib, will you then say the same about it?”
He then alleges that Guru Gobind Singh is using slandering language for the Hindu characters like Krishan etc. One should note that Professor Sahib Singh in his teeka of AGGS did not even accept that a ridiculing language against other people could ever be cited in by the Gurus in AGGs, forget about themselves uttering such words. On the other hand, Dr. Pannu is saying that Guru Gobind Singh is using that language in derogatory sense because he does not have belief in such characters. While it seems fine that Guru Gobind Singh ji did not have belief in these characters, but would he use such kind of language?
First, Dr. Pannu says that nobody gave a new theory in their Granths but just repeated what was said before the period. Then he says Rigveda say the truth and Guru Gobind Singh ji just repeated that truth in Dasam Granth using different langauge. According to Hindu belief the vedas are a direct language of the GOD. So, here Dr. Pannu proves that Sikhism is nothing but just a branch (or may be the same) of Hinduism. He then continues with a self-conflicting view that people who give new meanings to the old mythological stories are very powerful and fertile minds.
He cites Bhansavalinama of Kesar Singh chibber, that people asked Guru what will be the status of Dasam Granth and then Guru replied, “Consider it my play”, then Guru gave birth to the “chota granth ji” by his own hands and “played with it with his own hands”.
He agrees that the older name of this granth was “Bachchiter Natak” and the “Khalsa Panth” kept the name “Dasam Granth” and that keeping this name is the prerogative of the Khalsa Panth. He then says that the world is not categorized in AGGS but Dasam Granth presents a well categorized view of the world.
Dr. Harpal Singh Pannu’s speech contains claims contradictory to AGGS (Aad Guru Granth Sahib) and is loaded with emotional appeals (one can call emotional blackmail). One can note that his speech is full of pathos and lacks the logos altogether. This cannot be a speech by someone with the credentials that Dr. Harpal Singh Pannu is perceived with, and hence he kills the ethos himself. What is left in the speech for the listeners to grasp?
–
–
Regards,
Akashdeep Singh
Portland, OR
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Jodha ji… another insightful article.
i agree completely with the need to "transcend" this argument.
i have been involved in it on many occasions (pro DG side) and i'm taking inspiration from you… it's time to stop arguing.
we cannot force our beliefs on others. why do we try so hard and so often to do so?
may Waheguru show us the true path and keep us from each others throats.
thanks again.
Jodha ji… another insightful article.
i agree completely with the need to “transcend” this argument.
i have been involved in it on many occasions (pro DG side) and i’m taking inspiration from you… it’s time to stop arguing.
we cannot force our beliefs on others. why do we try so hard and so often to do so?
may Waheguru show us the true path and keep us from each others throats.
thanks again.
Dear Jasleen Kaur,
I am truly humbled. Thanks for your kind words.
Dear Jasleen Kaur,
I am truly humbled. Thanks for your kind words.
We have manuscripts of Dasam granth dating to 1697 and 1698.Only foolish people are raising issues on autheticities of Dasam granth.None of them have read this granth.It is an accepted scritpure of sikh panth.
Why so pain on having seminar on this.Only persons who are neither khalsa nor practicing sikhs are against Dasam granth
We have manuscripts of Dasam granth dating to 1697 and 1698.Only foolish people are raising issues on autheticities of Dasam granth.None of them have read this granth.It is an accepted scritpure of sikh panth.
Why so pain on having seminar on this.Only persons who are neither khalsa nor practicing sikhs are against Dasam granth
Inder where can I see these manuscripts?
Inder where can I see these manuscripts?
Bhai Akashdeep Singh ji, you are going with the literal words not their meaning. Dr. Pannu's idea is never contradictory as I have listened his lecture carefully. And many times you didn't quote the exact language (and right people references) regarding his lecture.
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He has his website where you can go and get his contacts. (www.harpalsinghpannu.com). <del datetime="2008-06-10T05:17:19+00:00">[deleted]</del>
Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh
[This is why this conversation is so pathetic, it always dissolves into an argument questioning another person as a Sikh, just because they don't agree with you. That is the highest form of ahaankar and hubris to believe that you are the arbiter. Admin Singh]
Bhai Akashdeep Singh ji, you are going with the literal words not their meaning. Dr. Pannu’s idea is never contradictory as I have listened his lecture carefully. And many times you didn’t quote the exact language (and right people references) regarding his lecture.
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He has his website where you can go and get his contacts.(www.harpalsinghpannu.com).
[deleted]Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh
[This is why this conversation is so pathetic, it always dissolves into an argument questioning another person as a Sikh, just because they don’t agree with you. That is the highest form of ahaankar and hubris to believe that you are the arbiter. Admin Singh]
Guru Gobind Singh had ordered Sikhs to accept Guru Granth Sahib as living Guru after him.
SGPC approved SRM (1927-1945) again endorses only one Granth “ Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji” for the Sikhs. Sikh Reht Maryada(THE CODE OF SIKH CONDUCT AND CONVENTIONS)Section Three,CHAPTER IV Joining the congregation for understanding of and reflecting on Gurbani Article V(e) “No book should he installed like and at par with the Guru Granth Sahib”.10th Guru Ji Sanctified ( gave Gur Gadhi) only to Guru Granth sahib Ji . Therefore, Dasam Granth Parkash Cannot be done parallel to SGGS
Sikh Nation has only One Granth (Sri Guru Granth sahib Ji),One Panth and One Guru Panth approved Rehat Maryada.
Guru Gobind Singh ordained the Sikhs to accept Guru Granth Sahib as the perpetual eternal Guru of Sikhs, which contains the revealed word of God. It completely rejects the Gods and Goddess of Hinduism and their reincarnations and the worship of Idols. Guru Granth Sahib preaches the Name of God (one and only one, formless, unborn and self illuminated) to be imbued in one's mind. If any composition violates these fundamentals of Sikhism and praises any Hindu God, Goddess or their incarnations, it can never be of any Sikh Guru or even of any true follower of Sikhism. Guru Granth Sahib is such a true guide that it is not at all difficult to come to the true conclusion in this respect. It requires a very serious thought that whether the compositions relating to the praise and admiration of Goddess Durga, Ram Chandra or Sri Krishna or any other Hindu God can, ever be attributed to Guru Gobind Singh.
Guru Gobind Singh in his divine hymns totally rejected all Hindu Gods, scriptures, rites and rituals and the Hindu Caste System. Instead Guru Gobind Singh created a separate Sikh identity to complete the formation of Sikh nation.
Some Hindu fudamentalists have alleged Sikh religion to be part of Hiduism on the groud of placing and reciting DasamGranth in two Sikh Takhata at Hazur Sahib and Patna Sahib,containing translations of Hindu Legends and incarnarions, attributed to Guru Gobind Singh. It is a self-deception to take advantage of the dishonest interpolation of the Hindu legends in the Dasam Granth. The real compositions of the great Guru rather prove to the otherwise, without any shadow of doubt, that Sikh religion is an independent separate religion with its distinct identity, religious practices and unique doctrines and ideology. In fact it is the great Guru's prescribed identity and the code of conduct that always stood as a rock to fail the futile exercises of some Hindu fundamentalists to falsely misrepresent Sikhs to be part of Hindus time and again.
As whole Globe celebrate International Women’s Day on 8th March, 2008 it become very necessary to study Sikhism Teachings . Sikhism religion as started by Guru Nanak Sahib and formalized by Tenth Nanak, Guru Gobind Singh ji and philosophy gifted in the form of Shabad Guru…Sri Guru Granth Sahib…Commonly known as "Dasan Guru’an di Jyot" and also been reffered in Sikh Code of Conduct , as "Das Guru’an di Bani" . Sri Guru Granth Sahib gives Equality Status to Women 365 a day. As per Sikhism, all days are equal and Sikh Women enjoy same right as Men all the days of Year…
BMiz jMmIaY BMiz inMmIaY BMiz mMgxu vIafhu ]
BMzhu hovY dosqI BMzhu clY rfhu ]
BMzu muaf BMzu BflIaY BMiz hovY bMDfnu ]
so ikAu mMdf afKIaY ijqu jMmih rfjfn] (m:1, pMnf 473)
Guru Sahib has very beautifully Asked Question, Y to say badly to Women? Even Kings are born from Women? No man can exist without Women? Both Men and Women have equal responsibility towards running Society Successfully.
As we celebrate , Sri Guru Granth Sahib Tricentary (300 Sala) Gurta Gaddi Divas in Oct, 2008 it becomes duty of every Sikh of Guru Nanak’s house to preach , understand and spread message of Sikhism as enshrined in Sri Guru Granth Sahib. But to Shame as our so called Jathedaars are busy in mud slinging against each other and making fun of our own Sikh Code of Conduct? On other side, we have some Individuals especially dedicated to preach Anti-Gurmat writings to divide whole Sikh World at this crucial upcoming Event. When all Sikh World was looking for Educational Seminars on "Sri Guru Granth Sahib" , we r seeing some individuals played in hands of G.S.Lamba who has been on Special Mission to DIVIDE Sikh world and create Hatred among all Sikhs by giving Flaming Speeches , by Exploiting Sentiments of Sikh Youth by
-Fake Letter of Vedanti justifying Anti-Sikh Literature
– Self-Made statement Of Baba Jarnail Singh Bhindrawala.
It is very important to know about Anti-Sikh writings, which don’t fit as per Sri Guru Granth Sahib. As writings of Poet Ram, Poet Shyam, Poet Kaal are being collected by some Bipars and given the Shape of Granth to confuse all, and when read clearly mention name of book as – Bachitar Natak Granth. But as per some intentional plans of Anti-Sikh forces, it has been named as Dasam Granth with passing years, and with no surprise under the success of plan some people have started calling it as Sri Dasam Guru Granth Sahib ji. It becomes very necessary to understand, which people are behind in preaching Anti-Gurmat writings and fooling all to accept it as Tenth Nanak’s writing?
Let us see, how Bachitar Natak Granth (False Name = Dasam Granth) says so badly about Women?
Neva Trust Women as per Dasam Granth (B.N.G)
As Poet Ram/Poet Shyam/Poet Shyam clearly mentions name of book as Bachitar Natak ,
but fooled by Bipar Policy we call it ? Dasam ? Granth? , which is fearing our Sikh Brother/Sisters to see TRUTH. But when one starts reading contents, there won't b much time, when one will reject this TEXT saying so bad about WOMEN.
Women in Triya Chariter of Dasam Granth
(Excerpts from Chritro Pakhyaan in English in 2 volumes, published by CSJS Amritsar)
Triya Chariter 10
gMDRb jC BujMg gn nr bpury ikn mfih ]
dyv adyv iqRXfn ky Byv pCfnq nfih ] 13]
The gods, such as Gandharabh, Jach, Bhujang, Dev, Devil, none could fathom the attributes of the women, Then what the poor human creatures could achieve.(13) (1)
Triya Chariter 11
inju mn kI kCu bfq n iqRX ko dIijXY ] qf ko icq curfie sdf hI lIijXY ]
inju mn kI qf so jo bfq sunfieXY ] ho bfhr pRgtq jfie afpu pCuqfieXY ] 20]
Never let a woman know what is in your mind. Rather learn what are her internal thoughts.
Once she is in the know of the secret, that must become an open secret otherwise you will have to repent thereafter. (20) (1)
Triya Chariter 12
jo inju iqRX ko dyq purK Byd kCu afpno ]
qf ky ibDnf lyq pRfn hrn kir plk mY ] 30]
The human being who divulges even a bit of his secret to his spouse, The contriver annihilates him in an iota of the time period. (30)(1)
Triya Chariter 13
iqRXih n dIjY Byd qfih Byd lIjY sdf ]
khq isMimRiq aru byd koksfrAU XO khq ] 10]
The gist of the Simritis, Vedas and Koka Shastras is that the secret might not be imparted
to the females. Rather, instead, one should try to understand her enigmas.(10) (1)
Triya Chariter 15
bhu lognu dyKq jrI iek pg TfZI soie ]
hyir rIiJ rIiJk rhy Byd n jfnq koie ] 10]
skl jgq mY jy purKu iqRX ko krq ibsÍfs ]
sfiq idvs BIqr qurqu hoq qvn ko nfs ] 11]
When many people saw her immolating herself. They were satisfied with her sincerity but they did not realize the truth.(10) One who trust (such) a woman, within seven days he destroys himself. (11)
Contd.
Triya Chariter 24
cMclfn ky cirqR ko skq n koAU pfie ]
cMdR sUr sur asur sB bRhm ibsn sur rfie ] 49]
No one can understand the cryptic character of women,
Not even sun, moon, gods, demons, Brahmas, Vishnu and Indra. (49)(1)
Triya Chariter 66
aiqBuq giq binqfn kI ijh n skq koAu pfie ]
Byd hfQ afvY nhI koitn ikXy Aupfie ] 28]
The accomplishments of the women are such that no one can acquiesce.
In spite of numerous endeavours, one cannot understand their enigma. (28)(1)
Triya Chariter 67
ikMnr jC BujMg gn nr muin dyv adyv ]
iqRX cirqR ko icq mY rMc n cInq Byv ] 15]
Kinnar, Jachh,, Bhujang, Gann, Humans and Ascetic, all types of gods,
Could not understand the attributes of the female. (15) (1)
Triya Chariter 84
binqf cirq hfQ nih afXo ] dYv dYq iknhUM nih pfXo ]
iqRXf cirqR n ikshU kihXY ] icq mY smiJ moin hÍY rihXo ] 21]
No body, not even the gods and the demons, can grasp the female attributes. What should we designate as female attribute? It is rather prudent to keep quiet. (21)(1)
Triya Chariter 124
bRhm ibsn sr asur sB rYnfiDp idnrfie ]
byd bÎfs aru byd iqRX Byd sky nih pfie ] 15]
Brahma, Vishnu, the gods, the devils, the sun, the moon, The sage Viyas, and them all, could not fathom the females. (15) (1)
Triya Chariter 129
BUq BivK Bvfn mY suinXq sdf bnfie ]
cquir cirqRn kO sdf Byv n pfXo jfie ] 40]
This will remain prevalent in the present and the future that, The secrets of the delusions of a clever woman cannot be conceived. (40) (1)
Triya Chariter 273
as iqRX pRQm Bjq BI jf ko ] ieh cirqR puin mfirXo qf ko ]
ien abln kI rIiq apfrf ] ijn ko afvq vfr n pfrf ] 11]
This way, the one she had sex with, she assassinated
Such tricks of the women are boundless; no one can acquiesce them. (11)
Triya Chariter 336
cMclfn ky cirq ko skq n koeI ibcfr ]
bRhm ibsn isv Kt bdn ijnisrjIkrqfr] 12]
The female attributes have not spared any one,
Including Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva and, even, Almighty who
created her.(12)
As these writings clearly says, Not to Trust Women? It seems shame to see people are bent to prove it as the writings of Tenth Nanak . Even Dharam Parchar Committee of SGPC has rejected Triya Charitar back in 1970’s , its failure to implement decision has made Mess as our Gurudwara administration is again in hands of Mahants ? And they are eager to place these Anti-Gurmat writings at par with Sri Guru Granth Sahib?
And with no surprise, supporters of Bachitar Natak Granth are those, who never ever accepted, Sikh Rehat Maryada of Akal Takhat as published in 1945. All Sects/Dera’s are leading to preach Dasam Granth? And it has been same effect of this Triya Charitar when these individuals and Samparda’s like Taksal, Nihangs opposed move of:
-Sikh Women as Granthis
-Sikh Women as doing Kirtan in Darbar Sahib
-Sikh Women doing duty of Khande-Di-Paul Cermony.
It is appeal to Sikh Sangat all over especially Sikh Women to raise their Voice against Anti-Gurmat writings, which says so ILL about Women Character? Sikh Women shall rise above their Jathebandic Stands, and be a Sikh of Sri Guru Granth Sahib. As Sikh take Life’s every Guidance from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and Sri Granth Sahib Philosphy lead Sikh into Successful Life by helping Human to get Secure against ills of Kam, Krodh, Lobh, Moh, Hankaar.
ijnHf nfAu suhfgxI iqnHHf Jfk n hor ] 114] (gurU gRMQ sfihb pMnf-1384)
Those who are known as happy soul-brides do not look to others. ||114||
And Sikh of Guru..Sri Guru Granth Sahib is complete in every aspect and one do darshan and take Guidance of All Ten Nanak’s in Sri Guru Granth Sahib, so one need not to Look outside towards writing of Poet Ram, Poet Shyam , Poet Kaal ?
Its time to look, who are preaching Gurmat and who are preaching Anti-Gurmat? Sangat need to make decision for how long we have to continue looking Insult being made by some individuals by Attributing Low Level Writings to our Tenth Nanak?
From when this granth is come into existence its name is keep on changing. Its first name was Bachitar Natak Granth. Following are seven names.
1. Bachitar Natak Granth.
2. Samundar Sagar Granth
3. Vidya Sagar Granth
4. Dasam Granth
5. Dasam Padshah ka Granth
6. Sri Dasam Granth Sahib
7. Dasam Sri Guru Granth Sahib
I want to ask whose hand is behind this. This fact questions the authenticity of this granth.
Now a days the name of this granth is “Dasam Sri Guru Granth Sahib”. If anyone has purchased it recently then he can see that the word “Dasam” is written in very small font and “Sri Guru Granth Sahib” is written in large font. There are some flowers shown above the word “Dasam”. The clever person who is publishing this granth is trying to hide the word “Dasam” in those flowers and his aim is to highlight “Sri Guru Granth Sahib”. In this way the forces working behind this are trying to uplift this granth equal to “Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji”, which is the only guru crowned by Guru Gobind Singh ji himself.
If this Granth is compiled by Guru Gobind Singh ji then had he given any power to anyone to change its name?
Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa
Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh
From now on we are launching an exposure campaign of Dasam Granth.
These are from Triacharitra, by the way "Kabio Bach Benanti Chaupaye" is also from the same Granth.
Next time you recite Benanti Chaupaye also think of its source – the
Triacharitra and the hundreds of Pornographic Charitras.
Some of you will say let the Panth resolve it. Which panth? The one which is run by the Indian Government. The one that has not done anything on this issue over the decades. The one whose SGPC run takhats – Patna and Hadoor Sahib have Dasam Granth Parkash and katha. The one whose SGPC president says what is wrong ig Dasam Granth Prakash is done.
We the Sikhs of the 21st century believe that Dasam Granth is not the
writing of Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji. Let us work to resolve the Dasam Granth issue once in for all through education of the masses. If you accept "Kabio Bach Benanti Chaupaye" then are you ready to recite and do katha from Triacharitra.
Regarding Chaupai and Jaap, I think these brahmins who wrote the dasam
granth, were very intelligent and also very clever. They wrote some banis which are seemingly consistent with AGGS to fool us so that they could cover up all other JUNK that is contained in dasam granth. This "Khalsa Panth" fell into their trap and approved these 'banis' as part of daily prayers.
Now they don't know how to get out of this trap "sap de moonh 'ch kohar kirli, je khanda taan marda, je nahin khanda taan bejti hundia'. So these brahmins were still more intelligent than we are today because we are fighting among us about this spurious literature and can not come to any agreement. I cannot understand why we can not categorically diclare that AGGS is the only scripture that we would always believe in and that all other literature is irrelevant?
Guru Gobind Singh had ordered Sikhs to accept Guru Granth Sahib as living Guru after him.
SGPC approved SRM (1927-1945) again endorses only one Granth “ Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji” for the Sikhs. Sikh Reht Maryada(THE CODE OF SIKH CONDUCT AND CONVENTIONS)Section Three,CHAPTER IV Joining the congregation for understanding of and reflecting on Gurbani Article V(e) “No book should he installed like and at par with the Guru Granth Sahib”.10th Guru Ji Sanctified ( gave Gur Gadhi) only to Guru Granth sahib Ji . Therefore, Dasam Granth Parkash Cannot be done parallel to SGGS
Sikh Nation has only One Granth (Sri Guru Granth sahib Ji),One Panth and One Guru Panth approved Rehat Maryada.
Guru Gobind Singh ordained the Sikhs to accept Guru Granth Sahib as the perpetual eternal Guru of Sikhs, which contains the revealed word of God. It completely rejects the Gods and Goddess of Hinduism and their reincarnations and the worship of Idols. Guru Granth Sahib preaches the Name of God (one and only one, formless, unborn and self illuminated) to be imbued in one’s mind. If any composition violates these fundamentals of Sikhism and praises any Hindu God, Goddess or their incarnations, it can never be of any Sikh Guru or even of any true follower of Sikhism. Guru Granth Sahib is such a true guide that it is not at all difficult to come to the true conclusion in this respect. It requires a very serious thought that whether the compositions relating to the praise and admiration of Goddess Durga, Ram Chandra or Sri Krishna or any other Hindu God can, ever be attributed to Guru Gobind Singh.
Guru Gobind Singh in his divine hymns totally rejected all Hindu Gods, scriptures, rites and rituals and the Hindu Caste System. Instead Guru Gobind Singh created a separate Sikh identity to complete the formation of Sikh nation.
Some Hindu fudamentalists have alleged Sikh religion to be part of Hiduism on the groud of placing and reciting DasamGranth in two Sikh Takhata at Hazur Sahib and Patna Sahib,containing translations of Hindu Legends and incarnarions, attributed to Guru Gobind Singh. It is a self-deception to take advantage of the dishonest interpolation of the Hindu legends in the Dasam Granth. The real compositions of the great Guru rather prove to the otherwise, without any shadow of doubt, that Sikh religion is an independent separate religion with its distinct identity, religious practices and unique doctrines and ideology. In fact it is the great Guru’s prescribed identity and the code of conduct that always stood as a rock to fail the futile exercises of some Hindu fundamentalists to falsely misrepresent Sikhs to be part of Hindus time and again.
[Do people not get that this is what we were trying to avoid? I am tired of monitoring this thread. It is done. Admin Singh]
As whole Globe celebrate International Women’s Day on 8th March, 2008 it become very necessary to study Sikhism Teachings . Sikhism religion as started by Guru Nanak Sahib and formalized by Tenth Nanak, Guru Gobind Singh ji and philosophy gifted in the form of Shabad Guru…Sri Guru Granth Sahib…Commonly known as “Dasan Guru’an di Jyot” and also been reffered in Sikh Code of Conduct , as “Das Guru’an di Bani” . Sri Guru Granth Sahib gives Equality Status to Women 365 a day. As per Sikhism, all days are equal and Sikh Women enjoy same right as Men all the days of Year…
BMiz jMmIaY BMiz inMmIaY BMiz mMgxu vIafhu ]
BMzhu hovY dosqI BMzhu clY rfhu ]
BMzu muaf BMzu BflIaY BMiz hovY bMDfnu ]
so ikAu mMdf afKIaY ijqu jMmih rfjfn] (m:1, pMnf 473)
Guru Sahib has very beautifully Asked Question, Y to say badly to Women? Even Kings are born from Women? No man can exist without Women? Both Men and Women have equal responsibility towards running Society Successfully.
As we celebrate , Sri Guru Granth Sahib Tricentary (300 Sala) Gurta Gaddi Divas in Oct, 2008 it becomes duty of every Sikh of Guru Nanak’s house to preach , understand and spread message of Sikhism as enshrined in Sri Guru Granth Sahib. But to Shame as our so called Jathedaars are busy in mud slinging against each other and making fun of our own Sikh Code of Conduct? On other side, we have some Individuals especially dedicated to preach Anti-Gurmat writings to divide whole Sikh World at this crucial upcoming Event. When all Sikh World was looking for Educational Seminars on “Sri Guru Granth Sahib” , we r seeing some individuals played in hands of G.S.Lamba who has been on Special Mission to DIVIDE Sikh world and create Hatred among all Sikhs by giving Flaming Speeches , by Exploiting Sentiments of Sikh Youth by
-Fake Letter of Vedanti justifying Anti-Sikh Literature
– Self-Made statement Of Baba Jarnail Singh Bhindrawala.
It is very important to know about Anti-Sikh writings, which don’t fit as per Sri Guru Granth Sahib. As writings of Poet Ram, Poet Shyam, Poet Kaal are being collected by some Bipars and given the Shape of Granth to confuse all, and when read clearly mention name of book as – Bachitar Natak Granth. But as per some intentional plans of Anti-Sikh forces, it has been named as Dasam Granth with passing years, and with no surprise under the success of plan some people have started calling it as Sri Dasam Guru Granth Sahib ji. It becomes very necessary to understand, which people are behind in preaching Anti-Gurmat writings and fooling all to accept it as Tenth Nanak’s writing?
Let us see, how Bachitar Natak Granth (False Name = Dasam Granth) says so badly about Women?
Neva Trust Women as per Dasam Granth (B.N.G)
As Poet Ram/Poet Shyam/Poet Shyam clearly mentions name of book as Bachitar Natak ,
but fooled by Bipar Policy we call it ? Dasam ? Granth? , which is fearing our Sikh Brother/Sisters to see TRUTH. But when one starts reading contents, there won’t b much time, when one will reject this TEXT saying so bad about WOMEN.
Women in Triya Chariter of Dasam Granth
(Excerpts from Chritro Pakhyaan in English in 2 volumes, published by CSJS Amritsar)
Triya Chariter 10
gMDRb jC BujMg gn nr bpury ikn mfih ]
dyv adyv iqRXfn ky Byv pCfnq nfih ] 13]
The gods, such as Gandharabh, Jach, Bhujang, Dev, Devil, none could fathom the attributes of the women, Then what the poor human creatures could achieve.(13) (1)
Triya Chariter 11
inju mn kI kCu bfq n iqRX ko dIijXY ] qf ko icq curfie sdf hI lIijXY ]
inju mn kI qf so jo bfq sunfieXY ] ho bfhr pRgtq jfie afpu pCuqfieXY ] 20]
Never let a woman know what is in your mind. Rather learn what are her internal thoughts.
Once she is in the know of the secret, that must become an open secret otherwise you will have to repent thereafter. (20) (1)
Triya Chariter 12
jo inju iqRX ko dyq purK Byd kCu afpno ]
qf ky ibDnf lyq pRfn hrn kir plk mY ] 30]
The human being who divulges even a bit of his secret to his spouse, The contriver annihilates him in an iota of the time period. (30)(1)
Triya Chariter 13
iqRXih n dIjY Byd qfih Byd lIjY sdf ]
khq isMimRiq aru byd koksfrAU XO khq ] 10]
The gist of the Simritis, Vedas and Koka Shastras is that the secret might not be imparted
to the females. Rather, instead, one should try to understand her enigmas.(10) (1)
Triya Chariter 15
bhu lognu dyKq jrI iek pg TfZI soie ]
hyir rIiJ rIiJk rhy Byd n jfnq koie ] 10]
skl jgq mY jy purKu iqRX ko krq ibsÍfs ]
sfiq idvs BIqr qurqu hoq qvn ko nfs ] 11]
When many people saw her immolating herself. They were satisfied with her sincerity but they did not realize the truth.(10) One who trust (such) a woman, within seven days he destroys himself. (11)
Contd.
Triya Chariter 24
cMclfn ky cirqR ko skq n koAU pfie ]
cMdR sUr sur asur sB bRhm ibsn sur rfie ] 49]
No one can understand the cryptic character of women,
Not even sun, moon, gods, demons, Brahmas, Vishnu and Indra. (49)(1)
Triya Chariter 66
aiqBuq giq binqfn kI ijh n skq koAu pfie ]
Byd hfQ afvY nhI koitn ikXy Aupfie ] 28]
The accomplishments of the women are such that no one can acquiesce.
In spite of numerous endeavours, one cannot understand their enigma. (28)(1)
Triya Chariter 67
ikMnr jC BujMg gn nr muin dyv adyv ]
iqRX cirqR ko icq mY rMc n cInq Byv ] 15]
Kinnar, Jachh,, Bhujang, Gann, Humans and Ascetic, all types of gods,
Could not understand the attributes of the female. (15) (1)
Triya Chariter 84
binqf cirq hfQ nih afXo ] dYv dYq iknhUM nih pfXo ]
iqRXf cirqR n ikshU kihXY ] icq mY smiJ moin hÍY rihXo ] 21]
No body, not even the gods and the demons, can grasp the female attributes. What should we designate as female attribute? It is rather prudent to keep quiet. (21)(1)
Triya Chariter 124
bRhm ibsn sr asur sB rYnfiDp idnrfie ]
byd bÎfs aru byd iqRX Byd sky nih pfie ] 15]
Brahma, Vishnu, the gods, the devils, the sun, the moon, The sage Viyas, and them all, could not fathom the females. (15) (1)
Triya Chariter 129
BUq BivK Bvfn mY suinXq sdf bnfie ]
cquir cirqRn kO sdf Byv n pfXo jfie ] 40]
This will remain prevalent in the present and the future that, The secrets of the delusions of a clever woman cannot be conceived. (40) (1)
Triya Chariter 273
as iqRX pRQm Bjq BI jf ko ] ieh cirqR puin mfirXo qf ko ]
ien abln kI rIiq apfrf ] ijn ko afvq vfr n pfrf ] 11]
This way, the one she had sex with, she assassinated
Such tricks of the women are boundless; no one can acquiesce them. (11)
Triya Chariter 336
cMclfn ky cirq ko skq n koeI ibcfr ]
bRhm ibsn isv Kt bdn ijnisrjIkrqfr] 12]
The female attributes have not spared any one,
Including Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva and, even, Almighty who
created her.(12)
As these writings clearly says, Not to Trust Women? It seems shame to see people are bent to prove it as the writings of Tenth Nanak . Even Dharam Parchar Committee of SGPC has rejected Triya Charitar back in 1970’s , its failure to implement decision has made Mess as our Gurudwara administration is again in hands of Mahants ? And they are eager to place these Anti-Gurmat writings at par with Sri Guru Granth Sahib?
And with no surprise, supporters of Bachitar Natak Granth are those, who never ever accepted, Sikh Rehat Maryada of Akal Takhat as published in 1945. All Sects/Dera’s are leading to preach Dasam Granth? And it has been same effect of this Triya Charitar when these individuals and Samparda’s like Taksal, Nihangs opposed move of:
-Sikh Women as Granthis
-Sikh Women as doing Kirtan in Darbar Sahib
-Sikh Women doing duty of Khande-Di-Paul Cermony.
It is appeal to Sikh Sangat all over especially Sikh Women to raise their Voice against Anti-Gurmat writings, which says so ILL about Women Character? Sikh Women shall rise above their Jathebandic Stands, and be a Sikh of Sri Guru Granth Sahib. As Sikh take Life’s every Guidance from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and Sri Granth Sahib Philosphy lead Sikh into Successful Life by helping Human to get Secure against ills of Kam, Krodh, Lobh, Moh, Hankaar.
ijnHf nfAu suhfgxI iqnHHf Jfk n hor ] 114] (gurU gRMQ sfihb pMnf-1384)
Those who are known as happy soul-brides do not look to others. ||114||
And Sikh of Guru..Sri Guru Granth Sahib is complete in every aspect and one do darshan and take Guidance of All Ten Nanak’s in Sri Guru Granth Sahib, so one need not to Look outside towards writing of Poet Ram, Poet Shyam , Poet Kaal ?
Its time to look, who are preaching Gurmat and who are preaching Anti-Gurmat? Sangat need to make decision for how long we have to continue looking Insult being made by some individuals by Attributing Low Level Writings to our Tenth Nanak?
From when this granth is come into existence its name is keep on changing. Its first name was Bachitar Natak Granth. Following are seven names.
1. Bachitar Natak Granth.
2. Samundar Sagar Granth
3. Vidya Sagar Granth
4. Dasam Granth
5. Dasam Padshah ka Granth
6. Sri Dasam Granth Sahib
7. Dasam Sri Guru Granth Sahib
I want to ask whose hand is behind this. This fact questions the authenticity of this granth.
Now a days the name of this granth is “Dasam Sri Guru Granth Sahib”. If anyone has purchased it recently then he can see that the word “Dasam” is written in very small font and “Sri Guru Granth Sahib” is written in large font. There are some flowers shown above the word “Dasam”. The clever person who is publishing this granth is trying to hide the word “Dasam” in those flowers and his aim is to highlight “Sri Guru Granth Sahib”. In this way the forces working behind this are trying to uplift this granth equal to “Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji”, which is the only guru crowned by Guru Gobind Singh ji himself.
If this Granth is compiled by Guru Gobind Singh ji then had he given any power to anyone to change its name?
Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa
Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh
From now on we are launching an exposure campaign of Dasam Granth.
These are from Triacharitra, by the way “Kabio Bach Benanti Chaupaye” is also from the same Granth.
Next time you recite Benanti Chaupaye also think of its source – the
Triacharitra and the hundreds of Pornographic Charitras.
Some of you will say let the Panth resolve it. Which panth? The one which is run by the Indian Government. The one that has not done anything on this issue over the decades. The one whose SGPC run takhats – Patna and Hadoor Sahib have Dasam Granth Parkash and katha. The one whose SGPC president says what is wrong ig Dasam Granth Prakash is done.
We the Sikhs of the 21st century believe that Dasam Granth is not the
writing of Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji. Let us work to resolve the Dasam Granth issue once in for all through education of the masses. If you accept “Kabio Bach Benanti Chaupaye” then are you ready to recite and do katha from Triacharitra.
Regarding Chaupai and Jaap, I think these brahmins who wrote the dasam
granth, were very intelligent and also very clever. They wrote some banis which are seemingly consistent with AGGS to fool us so that they could cover up all other JUNK that is contained in dasam granth. This “Khalsa Panth” fell into their trap and approved these ‘banis’ as part of daily prayers.
Now they don’t know how to get out of this trap “sap de moonh ‘ch kohar kirli, je khanda taan marda, je nahin khanda taan bejti hundia’. So these brahmins were still more intelligent than we are today because we are fighting among us about this spurious literature and can not come to any agreement. I cannot understand why we can not categorically diclare that AGGS is the only scripture that we would always believe in and that all other literature is irrelevant?