Happiest place on earth? Not for Sikhs
For a place that makes money off turban-wearing and multicultural disney characters, it seems a little ironic that a turban-wearing employee of Walt Disney would be fired for not having the “Disney look.” Uhh what?
This story has been getting a lot of press lately (so for the two of you who haven’t heard) Sukhbir Channa applied for a job (as a trumpet player) with Disney in September 2006 but was told that he couldn’t be hired unless he removed his religiously-mandated turban. He was told that he did not conform with Disney’s grooming and dress requirements known as the “Disney Look.” (Okay, but Aladdin does?) Our friend over at SikhSwim makes a good point,
On my last visit to Disney World, little kids, when they saw me, would say, “Hey look, it’s Aladdin!” So I think Disney’s position has no basis. I think Sikhs have the “Disney look” if average people confuse us for some of the popular Disney characters! [link]
SALDEF has stepped in to help Channa with his lawsuit,
“Disney’s position is fundamentally un-American because it forces Sikhs and also observant Jews and Muslims to sacrifice religious freedom in order to pursue their career goals,” said SALDEF Chairman Manjit Singh. “It is also hypocritical for Disney to make millions of dollars promoting cartoon characters that wear turbans and simultaneously reject the right of an employee to wear a turban in accordance with his faith.” [link]
Having earned a bachelor’s degree in music, Channa just completed a nine-month U.S. tour with the Broadway show Annie. We’ll update you as soon as we hear more about this story. In the meantime, what are your thoughts on this and am I the only one impressed that we know a Sikh trumpeter?!
76 Responses to “Happiest place on earth? Not for Sikhs”
Okay, this is getting just a bit ridiculous. The thought that this guy thinks that his punitive damages are worth a cool million. Give me a break. Excuse me, but isn't the hiring process about who fits YOUR criteria? I just wish Disney would just say "yep, we didn't like his look for us, and that is part of the entire work force process. Period."
To the first two commenters on this story, read the above. So if a company decides it doesn't want to employ black or east Asian people because it doesn't fit their image, that should be allowed to pass? Good luck to him.
I agree with you about the million dollars though. He should be doing it on point of principle. Such excessive demands make it seem like gravy-train litigation.
Okay, this is getting just a bit ridiculous. The thought that this guy thinks that his punitive damages are worth a cool million. Give me a break. Excuse me, but isn’t the hiring process about who fits YOUR criteria? I just wish Disney would just say “yep, we didn’t like his look for us, and that is part of the entire work force process. Period.”
To the first two commenters on this story, read the above. So if a company decides it doesn’t want to employ black or east Asian people because it doesn’t fit their image, that should be allowed to pass? Good luck to him.
I agree with you about the million dollars though. He should be doing it on point of principle. Such excessive demands make it seem like gravy-train litigation.
satsriakal.
I am very proud of him. he is standing on what he beliefs it.very few
people can do it. it is not the question about money.if they think that turban is not a part that they should also think of height and
weight and or color of the person.
Yes.
too bad this guy isnt a real sikh, with that shaved beard of his, i hope this guy loses the case
satsriakal.
I am very proud of him. he is standing on what he beliefs it.very few
people can do it. it is not the question about money.if they think that turban is not a part that they should also think of height and
weight and or color of the person.
Yes.
too bad this guy isnt a real sikh, with that shaved beard of his, i hope this guy loses the case
FIRST of all…I worked with this guy so I know him and I kno exactly what happened…if disney just didn't hire him in the first place that would be fine, but they DID hire him and then decided to renigggg and say, "nope NOW you don't fit the look." Sukhbir was a really down to earth employee, did what he was asked, and i'm glad he is sticking it to the rat! regarding the million, i just talked to him about that! its a number that the lawyers have decided is high enough for the press, all of you easily influenced readers, and disney to take seriously…i mean can you imagine the headlines reading "man sues disney for 2000" it just would not blow up as it did…PLUS, most of the money will be going to SALDEF to better the hiring process for Sikh americans in the US…also, if and only IF this does go to try, and the jury does decide in sukhbir's favor, then they will be the ones to determine how much he gets…this how suing someone works for those of you who think its just easy to wake up and say "hmm i'm gonna sue today."…he also had to receive a Right to Sue which was issued to him by the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission..EEOC…who obviously thought something odd went down and decided it would be best for him to get legal representation with the right to sue.
Regarding him be a "real sikh." …first of all, i have a lot of sikh friends that have cut hair and beards, but they FAITH is very strong…those of you who know the religion kno that you cannot judge one's faith by the way they look..and if you don't know this, than YOU are not a real sikh…guru gobind singh ji once said that some sikhs are lions on the outside with their full sikh appearance but continue to be donkeys on the outside because they are full with greed, and lust, and judge others. One of the most important things in Sikhi is that you DON"T judge anybody else's faith…so hey hargun, your an idiot.
mad typos…got excited lol
FIRST of all…I worked with this guy so I know him and I kno exactly what happened…if disney just didn’t hire him in the first place that would be fine, but they DID hire him and then decided to renigggg and say, “nope NOW you don’t fit the look.” Sukhbir was a really down to earth employee, did what he was asked, and i’m glad he is sticking it to the rat! regarding the million, i just talked to him about that! its a number that the lawyers have decided is high enough for the press, all of you easily influenced readers, and disney to take seriously…i mean can you imagine the headlines reading “man sues disney for 2000” it just would not blow up as it did…PLUS, most of the money will be going to SALDEF to better the hiring process for Sikh americans in the US…also, if and only IF this does go to try, and the jury does decide in sukhbir’s favor, then they will be the ones to determine how much he gets…this how suing someone works for those of you who think its just easy to wake up and say “hmm i’m gonna sue today.”…he also had to receive a Right to Sue which was issued to him by the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission..EEOC…who obviously thought something odd went down and decided it would be best for him to get legal representation with the right to sue.
Regarding him be a “real sikh.” …first of all, i have a lot of sikh friends that have cut hair and beards, but they FAITH is very strong…those of you who know the religion kno that you cannot judge one’s faith by the way they look..and if you don’t know this, than YOU are not a real sikh…guru gobind singh ji once said that some sikhs are lions on the outside with their full sikh appearance but continue to be donkeys on the outside because they are full with greed, and lust, and judge others. One of the most important things in Sikhi is that you DON”T judge anybody else’s faith…so hey hargun, your an idiot.
mad typos…got excited lol
thanks for the insight youranidiot, that was great, unfortunately you're completely off here. sikh's that cut their hair are not sikhs. for a sikh hair is the most important aspect of one's life, and cutting one's hair, is abandoning the sikh religion. don't just lift quotes from Guru Gobind Singh Ji, to justify w/e you have done, or w/e your "sikh" friends have done.
In Sikhism, Kesh (sometimes Kes) is the practice of allowing one's hair to grow naturally as a symbol of respect for the perfection of God's creation. The practice is one of the Five Ks, the outward symbols ordered by Guru Gobind Singh in 1699 as a means to profess the Sikh faith
Kesh is considered the most important of the Five Ks. At the Amrit Sanchar in 1699, Guru Gobind Singh explained the reason for this :
My Sikh shall not use the razor. For him the use of razor or shaving the chin shall be as sinful as incest. For the Khalsa such a symbol is prescribed so that a Sikh cannot remain undistinguishable from among a hundred thousand Hindus or Muslims; because how can he hide himself with hair and turban on his head and with a flowing beard?
well said,
here's some more
A Sikh lives in harmony with God's Divine Will and blessings. God has given us the gift of the human body. The hair is special due to the fact that Naam abides within each and every pore of hair on the body. So when we Naam Jap (meditate on the Lord) the hair is a spiritual tool, which vibrates and absorbs Naam.
rom rom mih bsih murwir ]
“On each and every hair, the Lord abides.”
(Ang 344)
gurmuiK roim roim hir iDAwvY ]
“The Gurmukh meditates on the Lord with every hair of his body.”
(Ang 941)
Bhai Desa Singh, records in a Rehitnaama the words of Guru Gobind Singh jee:
qn ies ky isr kys ju dIno[ so ieh qn iSMgwrih kIno[
dwVHw mu`C isr kys bnweI[ hY ieh idRV ijh pRBU rzweI[
myt rzwie ju sIs muMfwvY[ khu qy jg kYsy hir pwvY[
”God created the whole universe and then he fashioned the human body. He gave men beard, moustaches and hair on the head. He who submits to His Will steadfastly adheres to them. They who deny His Will how will they find God in this world?”
yea there's a bunch of different quotes amardeep…and different outlooks, but you can't disown your brothers because they may look different from you…thats not being a tru sikh…i value you're commitment and your knowledge, but you can't say someone is NOT as sikh for cutting their hair…you go to the gurdwara, you see lots of people with short hair, and you can't honestly believe that all of them are NOT sikh…there's more, A LOT more to the religion on a spiritual level as opposed to the materialistic level of only appearance. but i kno you kno this.
thanks for the post tho man, the point is that we should unite as a people, and stand up for what is right from wrong.
What difference does it make whether he is a full sikh or just half? It doesnt matter thats why. He does have the Disney look. Disney World is just racist along with all other countries, companys, people etc.My scholl ball is coming up and the theme is actually arabian. This actually allows people to come in turbans, sari's, salwaars and even as Aladin or his misses Jasmine. Who is to say were not right for the job beacuse of our looks. If it was like this no one would have a job.
There are many sikhs who dont carry out the rituals and the 5 k's. I can say I do not. I have cut my hair to health reasons, i eat meat etc doesnt mean I dont believe in my religion any less. My mother is vegetarian but her hair is cut. We live in a modern soceity. I still wear my kara and I still pray. Am I valued any less? No
Thats what I like about being Sikh. We punjabi's are NOT judgemental and we look out for eachother. We take pride in our dress, our music and our religion.
[deleted by admin- your hatred, false assumptions (you would NOT be mistreated for dressing like an average american at our "point of origin"- go get a map and figure it out), and stereotypes aren't welcome here. and this is not YOUR country. get over it.]
amandeep…mad props bro!
people like you UNITE the religion…only together we can beat the corporate world and teach the ignorant US about sikhi…
[ deleted by admin- I am home. Period. ]
Hargun: Your comments reek of judgement, another thing that all of our Guru Saihibaan's have warned us against. The issue here is not weather Sukhbir has a 'right' to call himself a Sikh, the issue here is one of discrimination. I find it sad that he is not being supported. Sant Baba Puran Singh in 1982 inspired huge social change in the UK with the turban case. The people who were named in the case were "new" Singhs, some of them even had short hair, would you strike down the workt hat they did because there were not Sikh? After all, they had used razors. It was a pivotal moment in the history of Sikhs in the west. Around the 1920's Guru Gobind Singh Ji appeard in a forest and he was beheld by an African man, not a Sikh, Sant Puran Singh Ji recognized this man's experience. Is his experience invalid because he was "not a Sikh"?
Sukhbir Channa needs our support, not our judgement.
thanks for the insight youranidiot, that was great, unfortunately you’re completely off here. sikh’s that cut their hair are not sikhs. for a sikh hair is the most important aspect of one’s life, and cutting one’s hair, is abandoning the sikh religion. don’t just lift quotes from Guru Gobind Singh Ji, to justify w/e you have done, or w/e your “sikh” friends have done.
In Sikhism, Kesh (sometimes Kes) is the practice of allowing one’s hair to grow naturally as a symbol of respect for the perfection of God’s creation. The practice is one of the Five Ks, the outward symbols ordered by Guru Gobind Singh in 1699 as a means to profess the Sikh faith
Kesh is considered the most important of the Five Ks. At the Amrit Sanchar in 1699, Guru Gobind Singh explained the reason for this :
My Sikh shall not use the razor. For him the use of razor or shaving the chin shall be as sinful as incest. For the Khalsa such a symbol is prescribed so that a Sikh cannot remain undistinguishable from among a hundred thousand Hindus or Muslims; because how can he hide himself with hair and turban on his head and with a flowing beard?
well said,
here’s some more
A Sikh lives in harmony with God’s Divine Will and blessings. God has given us the gift of the human body. The hair is special due to the fact that Naam abides within each and every pore of hair on the body. So when we Naam Jap (meditate on the Lord) the hair is a spiritual tool, which vibrates and absorbs Naam.
rom rom mih bsih murwir ]
“On each and every hair, the Lord abides.”
(Ang 344)
gurmuiK roim roim hir iDAwvY ]
“The Gurmukh meditates on the Lord with every hair of his body.”
(Ang 941)
Bhai Desa Singh, records in a Rehitnaama the words of Guru Gobind Singh jee:
qn ies ky isr kys ju dIno[ so ieh qn iSMgwrih kIno[
dwVHw mu`C isr kys bnweI[ hY ieh idRV ijh pRBU rzweI[
myt rzwie ju sIs muMfwvY[ khu qy jg kYsy hir pwvY[
”God created the whole universe and then he fashioned the human body. He gave men beard, moustaches and hair on the head. He who submits to His Will steadfastly adheres to them. They who deny His Will how will they find God in this world?”
yea there’s a bunch of different quotes amardeep…and different outlooks, but you can’t disown your brothers because they may look different from you…thats not being a tru sikh…i value you’re commitment and your knowledge, but you can’t say someone is NOT as sikh for cutting their hair…you go to the gurdwara, you see lots of people with short hair, and you can’t honestly believe that all of them are NOT sikh…there’s more, A LOT more to the religion on a spiritual level as opposed to the materialistic level of only appearance. but i kno you kno this.
thanks for the post tho man, the point is that we should unite as a people, and stand up for what is right from wrong.
What difference does it make whether he is a full sikh or just half? It doesnt matter thats why. He does have the Disney look. Disney World is just racist along with all other countries, companys, people etc.My scholl ball is coming up and the theme is actually arabian. This actually allows people to come in turbans, sari’s, salwaars and even as Aladin or his misses Jasmine. Who is to say were not right for the job beacuse of our looks. If it was like this no one would have a job.
There are many sikhs who dont carry out the rituals and the 5 k’s. I can say I do not. I have cut my hair to health reasons, i eat meat etc doesnt mean I dont believe in my religion any less. My mother is vegetarian but her hair is cut. We live in a modern soceity. I still wear my kara and I still pray. Am I valued any less? No
Thats what I like about being Sikh. We punjabi’s are NOT judgemental and we look out for eachother. We take pride in our dress, our music and our religion.
[deleted by admin- your hatred, false assumptions (you would NOT be mistreated for dressing like an average american at our “point of origin”- go get a map and figure it out), and stereotypes aren’t welcome here. and this is not YOUR country. get over it.]
amandeep…mad props bro!
people like you UNITE the religion…only together we can beat the corporate world and teach the ignorant US about sikhi…
[ deleted by admin- I am home. Period. ]
Hargun: Your comments reek of judgement, another thing that all of our Guru Saihibaan’s have warned us against. The issue here is not weather Sukhbir has a ‘right’ to call himself a Sikh, the issue here is one of discrimination. I find it sad that he is not being supported. Sant Baba Puran Singh in 1982 inspired huge social change in the UK with the turban case. The people who were named in the case were “new” Singhs, some of them even had short hair, would you strike down the workt hat they did because there were not Sikh? After all, they had used razors. It was a pivotal moment in the history of Sikhs in the west. Around the 1920’s Guru Gobind Singh Ji appeard in a forest and he was beheld by an African man, not a Sikh, Sant Puran Singh Ji recognized this man’s experience. Is his experience invalid because he was “not a Sikh”?
Sukhbir Channa needs our support, not our judgement.
While we appreciate everyone's comments, this post is NOT about keeping your kesh or not keeping your kesh. It is about the case of a Sikh man who was not allowed to work at Disney World because he wore a turban. So let's please focus our comments on this issue. As a community, we are very good at creating divisions – especially at pertinent moments when we should be uniting. What Sukhbir looks like should not be significant to this discussion. How he, and many other Sikhs, have been discriminated should be what is significant.
While we appreciate everyone’s comments, this post is NOT about keeping your kesh or not keeping your kesh. It is about the case of a Sikh man who was not allowed to work at Disney World because he wore a turban. So let’s please focus our comments on this issue. As a community, we are very good at creating divisions – especially at pertinent moments when we should be uniting. What Sukhbir looks like should not be significant to this discussion. How he, and many other Sikhs, have been discriminated should be what is significant.
[quote comment="2882"]too bad this guy isnt a real sikh, with that shaved beard of his, i hope this guy loses the case[/quote]
You should alert SALDEF immediately: they're representing an impostor.
Here's more on what supposedly constitutes the "Disney Look:"
[link]
No mention of religiously mandated articles of faith.
According to the Sikh traditions and the teachings of Guru Gobind Singh Ji, Sukhbir Channa is not a Sikh, as a Sikh is one who keeps rehit, which includes partaking of the Sikh initiation and thereafter following the rules given by the Punj Pyare in the initiation ceremony. By the same standard, there is an extremely high chance that nobody in the comments of this blog is a Sikh either, including those who are saying that Sukhbir Channa is not a Sikh. Being a Sikh is a very difficult and esteemed position in the universe, and almost everyone is still a fair distance away from this lofty designation, from the egotistical and condescending zealot to the apathetic and defensive slow-adapter.
Nonetheless, whether or not someone is a Sikh or calls him/herself a Sikh, it is most definitely a Sikh value that human rights should be defended. So the statement above about "hoping" Sukhbir Channa loses this case is not very "Sikh"-like at all. We should defend everyone's right to being assessed for employment based on qualifications relevant to the responsibilities of the position, not based on physical appearance or articles of faith.
[quote comment=”2882″]too bad this guy isnt a real sikh, with that shaved beard of his, i hope this guy loses the case[/quote]
You should alert SALDEF immediately: they’re representing an impostor.
Here’s more on what supposedly constitutes the “Disney Look:”
[link]
No mention of religiously mandated articles of faith.
According to the Sikh traditions and the teachings of Guru Gobind Singh Ji, Sukhbir Channa is not a Sikh, as a Sikh is one who keeps rehit, which includes partaking of the Sikh initiation and thereafter following the rules given by the Punj Pyare in the initiation ceremony. By the same standard, there is an extremely high chance that nobody in the comments of this blog is a Sikh either, including those who are saying that Sukhbir Channa is not a Sikh. Being a Sikh is a very difficult and esteemed position in the universe, and almost everyone is still a fair distance away from this lofty designation, from the egotistical and condescending zealot to the apathetic and defensive slow-adapter.
Nonetheless, whether or not someone is a Sikh or calls him/herself a Sikh, it is most definitely a Sikh value that human rights should be defended. So the statement above about “hoping” Sukhbir Channa loses this case is not very “Sikh”-like at all. We should defend everyone’s right to being assessed for employment based on qualifications relevant to the responsibilities of the position, not based on physical appearance or articles of faith.
Looks like some hicks decided to join the discussion over here. If the hicks think going back to somebody's ancestor's country of origin is a solution to problems then they should all go back to theirs, because last I checked America guarantees the right of freedom of religion.
Even more offensive than Disney's behaviors, I thought were "Amandeep Aujla's" comments. Why? Because I hold Sikhs to a very high standard and his comments are despicable.
"There are many sikhs who dont carry out the rituals and the 5 k’s."
Sikhs don't follow meaningless rituals, haven't you ever heard even 1 story from the life of Guru Nanak?
"I have cut my hair to health reasons, i eat meat etc doesnt mean I dont believe in my religion any less."
Yes as a matter of fact it means you don't maintain some of the most basic and sacred principles of the Sikh Dharma. What is your religion if you're allowed to cut your hair and eat meat, because it's not Sikh. Furthermore cutting hair is unhealthy, it's not a natural way of life. Every man or woman prophet that history has recorded has maintained their hair. There are too many reasons to list now, that blow away your argument about health.
"We live in a modern soceity. I still wear my kara and I still pray. Am I valued any less? No"
Shouldn't a modern society accept people's religions? If you have to cut your hair and fit in, isn't that a backward society? Sikhi is the most modern religion, but that doesn't even matter. Our form is Akal Moorat, the image of the undying immortal, it is the natural human form since humanity was created. Why not ask God, why our appearance didn't change for modern society?
"Thats what I like about being Sikh. We punjabi’s are NOT judgemental and we look out for eachother. We take pride in our dress, our music and our religion."
Finally the most reprehensible comment of all. Since when did being Sikh mean you were also Punjabi? Since when did selfish pride become a virtue. Since when did pride in dress and pride in religion mean that you abandoned the bana of the Guru and you disobeyed all of the Guru's teachings on lifestyle?
I'm so appalled on so many levels. Really if you would not call yourself a Sikh I would not take any offense, but to call yourself a Sikh and say all these egregious things is just beyond me.
I should say that Amandeep has at least taken to heart one principle of the Sikh Dharma when he states:
"Am I valued any less? No"
Your soul is infinite and it is the divine essence of God. Your poisonous intellect and excuses for breaking the Guru's rehit are what I take offense at, not at your being. May God bless you, and if you want to be a proud Sikh please look into what Guru Ji asked of us, not into excuses to get out of it.
lets not judge the faith of others…lets stay on topic: sikh was discriminated and that is wrong.. .http://www.wesh.com/news/16627295/detail.html
vote here guys, show the public that we unite together so that our brothers and sisters of a so called "different appearance" will have better experiences in the future..there is no need to assimilate into society, stand up, fight for your right to be who you are…and stand strong alongside sukhbir…he's putting sikhi on the front page of the US here, only so that our parents, our kids, our brothers and sisters can prevail against the discriminatory acts of America…i ask you again, stand strong and vote for what is right..and together lets win this fight for all sikhs!
Looks like some hicks decided to join the discussion over here. If the hicks think going back to somebody’s ancestor’s country of origin is a solution to problems then they should all go back to theirs, because last I checked America guarantees the right of freedom of religion.
Even more offensive than Disney’s behaviors, I thought were “Amandeep Aujla’s” comments. Why? Because I hold Sikhs to a very high standard and his comments are despicable.
“There are many sikhs who dont carry out the rituals and the 5 k’s.”
Sikhs don’t follow meaningless rituals, haven’t you ever heard even 1 story from the life of Guru Nanak?
“I have cut my hair to health reasons, i eat meat etc doesnt mean I dont believe in my religion any less.”
Yes as a matter of fact it means you don’t maintain some of the most basic and sacred principles of the Sikh Dharma. What is your religion if you’re allowed to cut your hair and eat meat, because it’s not Sikh. Furthermore cutting hair is unhealthy, it’s not a natural way of life. Every man or woman prophet that history has recorded has maintained their hair. There are too many reasons to list now, that blow away your argument about health.
“We live in a modern soceity. I still wear my kara and I still pray. Am I valued any less? No”
Shouldn’t a modern society accept people’s religions? If you have to cut your hair and fit in, isn’t that a backward society? Sikhi is the most modern religion, but that doesn’t even matter. Our form is Akal Moorat, the image of the undying immortal, it is the natural human form since humanity was created. Why not ask God, why our appearance didn’t change for modern society?
“Thats what I like about being Sikh. We punjabi’s are NOT judgemental and we look out for eachother. We take pride in our dress, our music and our religion.”
Finally the most reprehensible comment of all. Since when did being Sikh mean you were also Punjabi? Since when did selfish pride become a virtue. Since when did pride in dress and pride in religion mean that you abandoned the bana of the Guru and you disobeyed all of the Guru’s teachings on lifestyle?
I’m so appalled on so many levels. Really if you would not call yourself a Sikh I would not take any offense, but to call yourself a Sikh and say all these egregious things is just beyond me.
I should say that Amandeep has at least taken to heart one principle of the Sikh Dharma when he states:
“Am I valued any less? No”
Your soul is infinite and it is the divine essence of God. Your poisonous intellect and excuses for breaking the Guru’s rehit are what I take offense at, not at your being. May God bless you, and if you want to be a proud Sikh please look into what Guru Ji asked of us, not into excuses to get out of it.
lets not judge the faith of others…lets stay on topic: sikh was discriminated and that is wrong…http://www.wesh.com/news/16627295/detail.html
vote here guys, show the public that we unite together so that our brothers and sisters of a so called “different appearance” will have better experiences in the future..there is no need to assimilate into society, stand up, fight for your right to be who you are…and stand strong alongside sukhbir…he’s putting sikhi on the front page of the US here, only so that our parents, our kids, our brothers and sisters can prevail against the discriminatory acts of America…i ask you again, stand strong and vote for what is right..and together lets win this fight for all sikhs!
I really don't understand why people keep wanting to equate Punjabi with Sikh. One is an ethnicity the other a religion. This continues to be an issue here at The Langar Hall.
Punjabi does NOT equal Sikh. The 10th Guru initiated Khalsa from all parts of India in 1699. The significance of that is that ANYONE (colour/ race, gender, etc…) can be a Sikh, it's not limited to any ethnicity. Punjabis have NO inherent right to Sikhism or the UNIVERSAL message of the Gurus.
The administrators of this site should get a clue and let people know up front that this site is for Sikhs or stop calling it The Langar Hall if it's for Punjabis.
Pawning yourself off as a Sikh site when you are a Punjabi site, is akin to what Dera S* Sauda (actually Jhoota Sauda) does in using the name that it uses in India.
Prabhu Singh makes many good points.
Just a clarification on my comment – I'm not saying that The Langar Hall is pawning itself off as a Sikh site while being a Punjabi site. However, if it doesn't take a more pronounced stand on what it is, then it leaves itself open to that charge.
…and your posts relate to the topic about the sikh trumpeter how???
good points tho, but not relevant.
I really don’t understand why people keep wanting to equate Punjabi with Sikh. One is an ethnicity the other a religion. This continues to be an issue here at The Langar Hall.
Punjabi does NOT equal Sikh. The 10th Guru initiated Khalsa from all parts of India in 1699. The significance of that is that ANYONE (colour/ race, gender, etc…) can be a Sikh, it’s not limited to any ethnicity. Punjabis have NO inherent right to Sikhism or the UNIVERSAL message of the Gurus.
The administrators of this site should get a clue and let people know up front that this site is for Sikhs or stop calling it The Langar Hall if it’s for Punjabis.
Pawning yourself off as a Sikh site when you are a Punjabi site, is akin to what Dera S* Sauda (actually Jhoota Sauda) does in using the name that it uses in India.
Prabhu Singh makes many good points.
Check these out and VOTE
http://www.nbc6.net/news/16621291/detail.html
http://www.wesh.com/news/16627295/detail.html
Just a clarification on my comment – I’m not saying that The Langar Hall is pawning itself off as a Sikh site while being a Punjabi site. However, if it doesn’t take a more pronounced stand on what it is, then it leaves itself open to that charge.
…and your posts relate to the topic about the sikh trumpeter how???
good points tho, but not relevant.
Check these out and VOTE
http://www.nbc6.net/news/16621291/detail.html
http://www.wesh.com/news/16627295/detail.html
Disney has every right to establish a "dress code" for it's employees or potiental employees. Employers have to the right to deny an applicant or employee the right to work for that particular company if they do not or are not willing to conform to the dress code. There are many state, federal, and corporate jobs that establish dress codes for their employees. IE. Pizza Hut, Applebee's, Carmax, Merrill Lynch, FBI, Military, etc. Regardless if it is a turban, jewelry, tattoos, hair cut or requiring someone to wear a particular uniform. Businesses have every right to decide how/what the people they employ look like. It is a business, you wouldn't expect them to allow people to dress any way they wanted to. Disney is a company, which last time I checked, believes in hiring many people of different ethnic backgrounds. However, they care about how their employees look and act to the public. Bottom line, Disney is in the business to make money. Would taking off his turbine and cutting his hair get him the job? If it is yes… then it is a dress code issue and not a discrimination issue. If that is something that you would not afford to do, because of personal religous beliefs. Find another company to work for or another occupation.
If you want to work a profession where no one cares what you look like become an independent musician, farmer, Landscaper, etc. there are plenty of other positions to choose from.
*** Finally, the idiot that stated he was there through the entire hiring process and dismissal, I highly doubt that. I am sure you were not there during his interview and "supposed dismissal". I suspect that you may be friends with him and he has regarded and relayed his feelings about the matter. Which may infact be emotionally charged and not exactly what happened during the interview. There are two sides to every story. I am sure he is a nice person. But, he should know that there are "dress code" boundaries on most positions available to even musicians and actors. He wouldn't expect to get hired in New York for as Nathan Detriot in "Guys and Dolls". It requires someone with a clean hair cut and a shaved face. Would he be willing to sue someone for that role? Same basis… get a grip. He is entitled to his religous beliefs, he is just not entitled to work any job he wants if his religous beliefs conflict with a companies dress code policies.
these are not hargun's , amardeep's or prabhu's words, these are the words of Guru Gobind Singh Ji. If you can't accept our own Guru's teachings, and follow his words that he set out for all Sikh's what kind of Sikh are you? These people are blatantly going against what Guru Ji had wanted. So don't ask them questions like "Am I not a Sikh?" or "Would you not call me a Sikh?", they did not set forth these rules. Taken from above:
In Sikhism, Kesh (sometimes Kes) is the practice of allowing one’s hair to grow naturally as a symbol of respect for the perfection of God’s creation. The practice is one of the Five Ks, the outward symbols ordered by Guru Gobind Singh in 1699 as a means to profess the Sikh faith
Kesh is considered the most important of the Five Ks. At the Amrit Sanchar in 1699, Guru Gobind Singh explained the reason for this :
My Sikh shall not use the razor. For him the use of razor or shaving the chin shall be as sinful as incest. For the Khalsa such a symbol is prescribed so that a Sikh cannot remain undistinguishable from among a hundred thousand Hindus or Muslims; because how can he hide himself with hair and turban on his head and with a flowing beard?
Disney has every right to establish a “dress code” for it’s employees or potiental employees. Employers have to the right to deny an applicant or employee the right to work for that particular company if they do not or are not willing to conform to the dress code. There are many state, federal, and corporate jobs that establish dress codes for their employees. IE. Pizza Hut, Applebee’s, Carmax, Merrill Lynch, FBI, Military, etc. Regardless if it is a turban, jewelry, tattoos, hair cut or requiring someone to wear a particular uniform. Businesses have every right to decide how/what the people they employ look like. It is a business, you wouldn’t expect them to allow people to dress any way they wanted to. Disney is a company, which last time I checked, believes in hiring many people of different ethnic backgrounds. However, they care about how their employees look and act to the public. Bottom line, Disney is in the business to make money. Would taking off his turbine and cutting his hair get him the job? If it is yes… then it is a dress code issue and not a discrimination issue. If that is something that you would not afford to do, because of personal religous beliefs. Find another company to work for or another occupation.
If you want to work a profession where no one cares what you look like become an independent musician, farmer, Landscaper, etc. there are plenty of other positions to choose from.
*** Finally, the idiot that stated he was there through the entire hiring process and dismissal, I highly doubt that. I am sure you were not there during his interview and “supposed dismissal”. I suspect that you may be friends with him and he has regarded and relayed his feelings about the matter. Which may infact be emotionally charged and not exactly what happened during the interview. There are two sides to every story. I am sure he is a nice person. But, he should know that there are “dress code” boundaries on most positions available to even musicians and actors. He wouldn’t expect to get hired in New York for as Nathan Detriot in “Guys and Dolls”. It requires someone with a clean hair cut and a shaved face. Would he be willing to sue someone for that role? Same basis… get a grip. He is entitled to his religous beliefs, he is just not entitled to work any job he wants if his religous beliefs conflict with a companies dress code policies.
these are not hargun’s , amardeep’s or prabhu’s words, these are the words of Guru Gobind Singh Ji. If you can’t accept our own Guru’s teachings, and follow his words that he set out for all Sikh’s what kind of Sikh are you? These people are blatantly going against what Guru Ji had wanted. So don’t ask them questions like “Am I not a Sikh?” or “Would you not call me a Sikh?”, they did not set forth these rules. Taken from above:
In Sikhism, Kesh (sometimes Kes) is the practice of allowing one’s hair to grow naturally as a symbol of respect for the perfection of God’s creation. The practice is one of the Five Ks, the outward symbols ordered by Guru Gobind Singh in 1699 as a means to profess the Sikh faith
Kesh is considered the most important of the Five Ks. At the Amrit Sanchar in 1699, Guru Gobind Singh explained the reason for this :
My Sikh shall not use the razor. For him the use of razor or shaving the chin shall be as sinful as incest. For the Khalsa such a symbol is prescribed so that a Sikh cannot remain undistinguishable from among a hundred thousand Hindus or Muslims; because how can he hide himself with hair and turban on his head and with a flowing beard?