“Punjabiye Zubane”
I have noticed these past couple of weeks that discussions about the value of Punjabi have become more prevalent. The issue of maintaining our “ma boli” is constantly on our minds and manifests in our everyday lives. However, with the onset of many Vaisakhi melas, Nagar Kirtans, and of course Satinder Sartaj concerts the discussions are heightened.
Recently, on Jus Punjabi’s “Aaj Da Mudda” show, there was an insightful conversation about pronunciation and the longevity of Punjabi. The host and guest discussed how East Punjabi’s pronunciation of words have changed (we are taking the easier route). Despite this change in pronunciation, the guest highlighted how Punjabi has survived the most turbulent of times (e.g. the state language during Maharaja Ranjit Singh’s rule was Farsi and the 1960’s division of India Punjab).
As he spoke, I was reminded of Gurdas Mann’s song “Punjabiye Zubane” (listen below). This song captures how the strength of the Punjabi language was developed over time. It is this strength that has allowed it to survive. I am left wondering if we 1) have the will and 2) the capacity to nurture and love this language like others have done in the past. Can we help nurture the strength of Punjabi in today’s context? What do you think?
358 Responses to ““Punjabiye Zubane””
Punjabi will survive, but it is very important to keep in mind that all languages are dynamic and changing. The Punjabi that is spoken today is not the same Punjabi that was spoken 100 or 500 years ago. The Punjabi that is spoken 100 years from now is not going to be the same that is spoken today.
It is a common tendency for people to not realize this. I am a second generation Canadian, and my Punjabi is never going to be spoken the same as that of someone from Punjab, and I don't believe that this expectation should exist either. Spoken language will change depending on the locality in which you live. For example, the Punjabi that is spoken in Africa is different than the Punjabi spoken in Punjab.
I think it is important to be able to speak in Punjabi in order to communicate with others, and to interpret Punjabi literature; but at the same time, I'm not going to pretend that I'm going to have the same vocabulary as someone who lives in a purely Punjabi environment.
One of Punjabi's strengths is that it has a great religion centred around it, as well as a cultural aspect (e.g. music) that has modernized itself to stay relevant with todays' society. Ironically, it is this "dynamic" capability of the language and surrounding religion/culture that allows it to sustain itself in the long term!
Punjabi will survive, but it is very important to keep in mind that all languages are dynamic and changing. The Punjabi that is spoken today is not the same Punjabi that was spoken 100 or 500 years ago. The Punjabi that is spoken 100 years from now is not going to be the same that is spoken today.
It is a common tendency for people to not realize this. I am a second generation Canadian, and my Punjabi is never going to be spoken the same as that of someone from Punjab, and I don't believe that this expectation should exist either. Spoken language will change depending on the locality in which you live. For example, the Punjabi that is spoken in Africa is different than the Punjabi spoken in Punjab.
I think it is important to be able to speak in Punjabi in order to communicate with others, and to interpret Punjabi literature; but at the same time, I'm not going to pretend that I'm going to have the same vocabulary as someone who lives in a purely Punjabi environment.
One of Punjabi's strengths is that it has a great religion centred around it, as well as a cultural aspect (e.g. music) that has modernized itself to stay relevant with todays' society. Ironically, it is this "dynamic" capability of the language and surrounding religion/culture that allows it to sustain itself in the long term!
I so agree with you Aman..Coming from UK my written Punjabi is so English influenced, as is the spoken by my whole generation
I so agree with you Aman..Coming from UK my written Punjabi is so English influenced, as is the spoken by my whole generation
Phulkari Ji, I am trying my best not to sound arrogant, but in the context of your questions, I am an example of a Western raised and born Sikh ( technically an Englishman therefore) who taught himself Punjabi and has gone on, to my knowledge, being the only Western raised Writer trying to close the gap between Traditional Punjabi Literature and a Western born ( like we did with Bhangra a generation ago) Punjabi which proudly shows its tastes, eg Science Fiction et cetra
Just google Rupinderpal Singh Dhillon
Literature read and written in Punjabi by us, could be the next Sikh Revolution, after the Bhangra one
I wish there were more like you in the west…Roop people like you are role models for those in the west who are serious about Ma Boli, I hope those Punjabi publishing snakes give you a break..Chardi Kala!!
http://rubru.ca/
Roop just had my uncle read your story to me..Wow! Punjabi Sci Fi! About time!
For those like me who needed help, click on link and then that big bad picture of the Octopus
Phulkari Ji, I am trying my best not to sound arrogant, but in the context of your questions, I am an example of a Western raised and born Sikh ( technically an Englishman therefore) who taught himself Punjabi and has gone on, to my knowledge, being the only Western raised Writer trying to close the gap between Traditional Punjabi Literature and a Western born ( like we did with Bhangra a generation ago) Punjabi which proudly shows its tastes, eg Science Fiction et cetra
Just google Rupinderpal Singh Dhillon
Literature read and written in Punjabi by us, could be the next Sikh Revolution, after the Bhangra one
I wish there were more like you in the west…Roop people like you are role models for those in the west who are serious about Ma Boli, I hope those Punjabi publishing snakes give you a break..Chardi Kala!!
http://rubru.ca/
Roop just had my uncle read your story to me..Wow! Punjabi Sci Fi! About time!
For those like me who needed help, click on link and then that big bad picture of the Octopus
OK Roop, you are beginning to win me over…I am going to learn Punjabi
OK Roop, you are beginning to win me over…I am going to learn Punjabi
We need to get the new generation interested in reading punjabi but the stories must be relevant
It can not be relevant anymore in the west in Punjabi. The new generation are not interested, not their fault as they have not been brought up in Punjab. I think most of the people in this debate are from Punjab.
They will cling to non language links…such as Sikhism, Islam, music and films..that is all..
I bet if we said that those born and raised in West but have as much interest as those in Punjab who love Punjabi enough to do what Phulkari suggest are called A), those who care but are actually from Punjab are called B), and those from Punjab who clearly don't care are called C), respond to me by using one of these letters, the Bs' will outnumber all the others…in Short I don't think Sikhs from the West care enough to actively read in Punjabi and ever could
I think that these are quite relevant authors….
http://www.punjabimaa.com/punjabimaa/???/ta…
We need to get the new generation interested in reading punjabi but the stories must be relevant
It can not be relevant anymore in the west in Punjabi. The new generation are not interested, not their fault as they have not been brought up in Punjab. I think most of the people in this debate are from Punjab.
They will cling to non language links…such as Sikhism, Islam, music and films..that is all..
I bet if we said that those born and raised in West but have as much interest as those in Punjab who love Punjabi enough to do what Phulkari suggest are called A), those who care but are actually from Punjab are called B), and those from Punjab who clearly don't care are called C), respond to me by using one of these letters, the Bs' will outnumber all the others…in Short I don't think Sikhs from the West care enough to actively read in Punjabi and ever could
I think that these are quite relevant authors….
http://www.punjabimaa.com/punjabimaa/???/ta…
As long as there are humanbeings on both sides of radcliffe line,punjabi language will survive,not to say punjabi people in the diaspora.It might not like punjabi of today or 100yrs earlier,but thats ok,coz as AMAN pointed out languages change over time and places.Punjabi in punjab has about 10/15 dialects and about 4 scripts.Even after such great dynamics it doesnot have a viable economical value and that's why it has not polifirated as it should have been.If it were one would'nt be getting the punjabi weeklies for free or maybe this site wouldve been in punjabi.
As long as there are humanbeings on both sides of radcliffe line,punjabi language will survive,not to say punjabi people in the diaspora.It might not like punjabi of today or 100yrs earlier,but thats ok,coz as AMAN pointed out languages change over time and places.Punjabi in punjab has about 10/15 dialects and about 4 scripts.Even after such great dynamics it doesnot have a viable economical value and that's why it has not polifirated as it should have been.If it were one would'nt be getting the punjabi weeklies for free or maybe this site wouldve been in punjabi.
I have always felt, being brought up in Islamabad surrounded with Potohari, that Punjabi was a coarse language. Some would argue that it is very informal, and fun loving, as stated above, but that might actually be the reason of its decline.
Considering that being educated or well-bred is a priority since the English, and that Punjabi feels like a ‘tu’ to ‘tum’ of Urdu, I can see why more and more of the younger generation is more inclined towards Urdu or English for that matter.
But then a language must always evolve in order to survive. One that doesn’t dies out and so does its literature. Punjabi like Urdu doesn’t appear to be evolving, they are transforming themselves into a hybrid of languages. No new words are added to the dictionaries and neither is any form of literature. It is only a matter of time I guess.
Its not just punjabi. Most Indian languagues with the exception of Hindi are facing the same issue. The overwhelming dominance of English has left us with no choice
You are wrong..check this out… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punjabi_literature
Just a slight correction. Instead of 'tu" we can use "tusi" or "tuhada". But your right, the rude version of punjabi is much more prevalent.
I have always felt, being brought up in Islamabad surrounded with Potohari, that Punjabi was a coarse language. Some would argue that it is very informal, and fun loving, as stated above, but that might actually be the reason of its decline.
Considering that being educated or well-bred is a priority since the English, and that Punjabi feels like a ‘tu’ to ‘tum’ of Urdu, I can see why more and more of the younger generation is more inclined towards Urdu or English for that matter.
But then a language must always evolve in order to survive. One that doesn’t dies out and so does its literature. Punjabi like Urdu doesn’t appear to be evolving, they are transforming themselves into a hybrid of languages. No new words are added to the dictionaries and neither is any form of literature. It is only a matter of time I guess.
Its not just punjabi. Most Indian languagues with the exception of Hindi are facing the same issue. The overwhelming dominance of English has left us with no choice
You are wrong..check this out… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punjabi_literature
Just a slight correction. Instead of 'tu" we can use "tusi" or "tuhada". But your right, the rude version of punjabi is much more prevalent.
Roop, it's very interesting that you have written a novel in Punjabi from the point of view of the diaspora. I have just ordered it online though Amazon.
You and bajwa are right that Punjabi literature must be reflective of contemporary society, or else it will lose relevance.
Thank you for your support Aman.
Just a couple of things
1) Be aware I have purposely written Neela Noor in broken Punjabi, to reflect its condition in the west. This is something I saw in the novel Ned Kelly, where the English written was technically abissmal, but the book won an awards as people realised Ned kelly was uneducated and it was tol din his words
In the same way Neela Noor is written. Not everyone understood that
2) you may want to go on Rubru and Punjabilekhak to read my other work to best judge it
Dear Roop:
You are not only a writer, you are a great serious humane thinker too. Keep up the good work
Thank you Harjap Ji
Aman, did you receive the novel?
Harjap Ji, the problem is that I have spent £20,000 and the publishers are messing me about….
Roop:
Your writing is for the intellectuals. Unfortunately most of the newspapers in Punjab cater to a common man's taste, who is not intellectual. The publishers try to exploit the foreigners. They will publish their literature to earn money only. The publishers exploit me too. But the newspapers don't. The newspapers pay me well. Like any American I have a very direct style of writing and the people in Punjab have liked it. At this moment I can't help you, but later on I may.
Roop, it's very interesting that you have written a novel in Punjabi from the point of view of the diaspora. I have just ordered it online though Amazon.
You and bajwa are right that Punjabi literature must be reflective of contemporary society, or else it will lose relevance.
Thank you for your support Aman.
Just a couple of things
1) Be aware I have purposely written Neela Noor in broken Punjabi, to reflect its condition in the west. This is something I saw in the novel Ned Kelly, where the English written was technically abissmal, but the book won an awards as people realised Ned kelly was uneducated and it was tol din his words
In the same way Neela Noor is written. Not everyone understood that
2) you may want to go on Rubru and Punjabilekhak to read my other work to best judge it
Dear Roop:
You are not only a writer, you are a great serious humane thinker too. Keep up the good work
Thank you Harjap Ji
Aman, did you receive the novel?
Harjap Ji, the problem is that I have spent £20,000 and the publishers are messing me about….
Roop:
Your writing is for the intellectuals. Unfortunately most of the newspapers in Punjab cater to a common man's taste, who is not intellectual. The publishers try to exploit the foreigners. They will publish their literature to earn money only. The publishers exploit me too. But the newspapers don't. The newspapers pay me well. Like any American I have a very direct style of writing and the people in Punjab have liked it. At this moment I can't help you, but later on I may.
I guess it's up to us, the next generation to decide if we will read Punjabi. A language that people stop reading slowly dies….speaking is not enough…I was shocked to find that the highest level of readers of Literature in the world are the Russians, they take their language very seriously..statistics show that 80% of Russians read Novels…of course the English kids are bought up on reading also..our Punjabi kids are just brought up on Religion, Alcahol and Bhangra, taking the former least seriously…we need to force our kids to read Punjabi novels, poems, and maybe just then, maybe, they might even understand the Guru Granth Sahib
That’s a turnaroun din attitude…a few weeks ago you were pro English
You can't force someone especially a kid to do something because even if they do it for your sake, they won't retain it. In order to retain something it has to be loved and done. If we want to bring a change in kids we have to become that change ourselves which the kids would see and follow. Always remember a kid will not do what you ask him/her to but would always do what you yourself do. So being a practical example is more effective than a theoretical one.
I think you are right..
I guess it's up to us, the next generation to decide if we will read Punjabi. A language that people stop reading slowly dies….speaking is not enough…I was shocked to find that the highest level of readers of Literature in the world are the Russians, they take their language very seriously..statistics show that 80% of Russians read Novels…of course the English kids are bought up on reading also..our Punjabi kids are just brought up on Religion, Alcahol and Bhangra, taking the former least seriously…we need to force our kids to read Punjabi novels, poems, and maybe just then, maybe, they might even understand the Guru Granth Sahib
That’s a turnaroun din attitude…a few weeks ago you were pro English
You can't force someone especially a kid to do something because even if they do it for your sake, they won't retain it. In order to retain something it has to be loved and done. If we want to bring a change in kids we have to become that change ourselves which the kids would see and follow. Always remember a kid will not do what you ask him/her to but would always do what you yourself do. So being a practical example is more effective than a theoretical one.
I think you are right..
I believe rather than waste millions on building fly Gurduaras, use that money to establish Sikh Schools, Punjabi Schools etc. Get top quality Punjabi teachers, preferably ones who are expert in Punjabi and English. I agree, encourage Kids to read…we Punjabis, esp Sikhs are seen as the stupid ones…mostly we just pick up computer magazines and study books only, never literature…mind you what is sopping Sikh girls?
Maybe Punjabi writers are predominately male? So don’t deal with girl issues?
Anyhow…Love Punjabi Zubane!!
Sikhs are seen as the stupid ones,Hellllllllloooo,my friend a little correction is needed ,SIKHS are the stupid ones.
Helllllooooooo, a BIG correction is needed here – Paramjit is the real STUPID one here. This self-styled anti-Sikh crusader appears to have no other motive than to slander Sikhs and the Sikh religion. It sort, he is a mentally retarded turd.
What is even more shocking is that nobody on this site seems to stand up to him, even the moderators seem happy to allow his slanderous outbursts.
Add one more to the list: RAJINDER SINGH VIRK.
Both of these guys, paramjeet and RSV, are AH!!!!
I believe rather than waste millions on building fly Gurduaras, use that money to establish Sikh Schools, Punjabi Schools etc. Get top quality Punjabi teachers, preferably ones who are expert in Punjabi and English. I agree, encourage Kids to read…we Punjabis, esp Sikhs are seen as the stupid ones…mostly we just pick up computer magazines and study books only, never literature…mind you what is sopping Sikh girls?
Maybe Punjabi writers are predominately male? So don’t deal with girl issues?
Anyhow…Love Punjabi Zubane!!
Sikhs are seen as the stupid ones,Hellllllllloooo,my friend a little correction is needed ,SIKHS are the stupid ones.
Helllllooooooo, a BIG correction is needed here – Paramjit is the real STUPID one here. This self-styled anti-Sikh crusader appears to have no other motive than to slander Sikhs and the Sikh religion. It sort, he is a mentally retarded turd.
What is even more shocking is that nobody on this site seems to stand up to him, even the moderators seem happy to allow his slanderous outbursts.
Add one more to the list: RAJINDER SINGH VIRK.
Both of these guys, paramjeet and RSV, are AH!!!!
http://www.apnaorg.com/research-papers/amrita-1/
Clearly there was a time when Sikhs read alot, certainly wrote a lot
http://www.apnaorg.com/research-papers/amrita-1/
Clearly there was a time when Sikhs read alot, certainly wrote a lot
Paramjit, are you Sikh yourself? You seem to be saying a lot of negative things about Sikhs all over this website
Paramjit, are you Sikh yourself? You seem to be saying a lot of negative things about Sikhs all over this website
Whilst I think it great that this debate is going on Phulkari , It is clear there are only 4 or 5 participants, those the same as in other areas, on this subject.
That leads me to believe that this blog is giving a false representation of what most believe. I believe that most western raised Sikhs only see Punjabi as the language of Bhangra, and each generation in the west is getting alienated from it..see how p*ss poor the UK's Bhangra songs are, apart from may be Sukhshinder Shinda.
They have already lost their link to Punjabi, let alone the languages that the Adi Granth contains..
Our Parents can't even remember the bedtime stories they were told…so what is there to pass on?
I don't think the western Sikh kids care..that is why this site had to be in English, depsite the Lalah for its symbol.
How many Western Sikh Kids know that Punjabi literature has a rich humanist tradition informed by Sufi and Sikh philosophies over the centuries?
Is punjabi is alive because of sikhs? This only partly true. This is because we human beings are very quick to generalize.
Cheema, I thought that you said that there were only 4 or 5 participants?
Question is are all these posts from people younger than 40, or older?
Whilst I think it great that this debate is going on Phulkari , It is clear there are only 4 or 5 participants, those the same as in other areas, on this subject.
That leads me to believe that this blog is giving a false representation of what most believe. I believe that most western raised Sikhs only see Punjabi as the language of Bhangra, and each generation in the west is getting alienated from it..see how p*ss poor the UK's Bhangra songs are, apart from may be Sukhshinder Shinda.
They have already lost their link to Punjabi, let alone the languages that the Adi Granth contains..
Our Parents can't even remember the bedtime stories they were told…so what is there to pass on?
I don't think the western Sikh kids care..that is why this site had to be in English, depsite the Lalah for its symbol.
How many Western Sikh Kids know that Punjabi literature has a rich humanist tradition informed by Sufi and Sikh philosophies over the centuries?
Is punjabi is alive because of sikhs? This only partly true. This is because we human beings are very quick to generalize.
Cheema, I thought that you said that there were only 4 or 5 participants?
Question is are all these posts from people younger than 40, or older?
let me eloborate..
When we say sikhs, it gets erroneously associated with sikh/akali politics and it appears as if akalis or sikh politicians were responsible for preserving and promoting punjabi which is not true. On official level, it was CM of congress (Lachman Singh Gill) who was single handedly responsible for the official status of the language. It is said that he literally pushed punjabi down the throat of the detractors, and he did that in his short tenure of 18 months in office. Akalis haven't done much.Even in haryana, the second language status has been given by congress CM and not the personal friend of badal (Chautala).
The majority of the writers who shaped the world of punjabi literature were/are leftists/atheists, starting from Sant Singh Sekhon, Mohan Singh,Gurbax Singh Preetlari upto modern writers/poets like Jagtar, Gorkhi, Waryam Sandhu, Patar , just to name a few. Other than bhai Veer Singh, there is no worthwhile contributon from so called practicing sikhs.
Dear Cheema,
I have followed the thread with interest and in general do believe that your criticism and comments are on target. However, this particular comment seems overblown.
First off in the realm of 'literature' you are narrowly confining the term to 20th century prose. This demarcation hardly comes from genres within Punjabi, but has come out of colonial discourse. That being to equate leftists and atheists is intellectual laziness. Professor Mohan Singh, Sant Singh Sekhon, Piara Singh Padam may have generally been leftists or even self-defined Marxists, but they were not atheists. You are trying to put them into categories that they themselves would probably reject.
Following this stream, you are trying to push forth a secular/religious divide. The authors you mentioned are somehow worthwhile, because they write in a secular idiom. Would you deny the writings and importance on 'Punjabi' literature of stalwarts such as the late Harinder Singh Mehboob or even Professor Jagdish SIngh, because they are inspired by Sikhi?
Finally, Sikhs have very much been part and parcel of the evolution of Punjabi. It was Baba Nanak that first collected the writings of Sheikh Farid. Prior to this, as Carl Ernst has shown, we don't have systematic collections. Then of course we have the writings in Punjabi (among many different languages) of our Sikh Gurus in the Guru Granth Sahib. Then in the 18th and 19th century we have the Gurbilas literature and various Panth Prakash. Finally, we write Punjabi using Gurmukhi! There is no better system for writing Punjabi than Gurmukhi.
Thus while some of your analysis may in fact be true, especially your bit about the fraud that is political parties in Punjab, you may be overplaying it. Lachman Singh Gill was a 'practicing Sikh' in whatever that meant for him.
My real concern is the Sikhs in the west. This is a western website, so if you so proud to be Punjabi, why not read and write on 5abi.com, Likhari.com, rubru.ca and many others? Why? Because Western Sikhs can’t read Punjabi..
let me eloborate..
When we say sikhs, it gets erroneously associated with sikh/akali politics and it appears as if akalis or sikh politicians were responsible for preserving and promoting punjabi which is not true. On official level, it was CM of congress (Lachman Singh Gill) who was single handedly responsible for the official status of the language. It is said that he literally pushed punjabi down the throat of the detractors, and he did that in his short tenure of 18 months in office. Akalis haven't done much.Even in haryana, the second language status has been given by congress CM and not the personal friend of badal (Chautala).
The majority of the writers who shaped the world of punjabi literature were/are leftists/atheists, starting from Sant Singh Sekhon, Mohan Singh,Gurbax Singh Preetlari upto modern writers/poets like Jagtar, Gorkhi, Waryam Sandhu, Patar , just to name a few. Other than bhai Veer Singh, there is no worthwhile contributon from so called practicing sikhs.
Dear Cheema,
I have followed the thread with interest and in general do believe that your criticism and comments are on target. However, this particular comment seems overblown.
First off in the realm of 'literature' you are narrowly confining the term to 20th century prose. This demarcation hardly comes from genres within Punjabi, but has come out of colonial discourse. That being to equate leftists and atheists is intellectual laziness. Professor Mohan Singh, Sant Singh Sekhon, Piara Singh Padam may have generally been leftists or even self-defined Marxists, but they were not atheists. You are trying to put them into categories that they themselves would probably reject.
Following this stream, you are trying to push forth a secular/religious divide. The authors you mentioned are somehow worthwhile, because they write in a secular idiom. Would you deny the writings and importance on 'Punjabi' literature of stalwarts such as the late Harinder Singh Mehboob or even Professor Jagdish SIngh, because they are inspired by Sikhi?
Finally, Sikhs have very much been part and parcel of the evolution of Punjabi. It was Baba Nanak that first collected the writings of Sheikh Farid. Prior to this, as Carl Ernst has shown, we don't have systematic collections. Then of course we have the writings in Punjabi (among many different languages) of our Sikh Gurus in the Guru Granth Sahib. Then in the 18th and 19th century we have the Gurbilas literature and various Panth Prakash. Finally, we write Punjabi using Gurmukhi! There is no better system for writing Punjabi than Gurmukhi.
Thus while some of your analysis may in fact be true, especially your bit about the fraud that is political parties in Punjab, you may be overplaying it. Lachman Singh Gill was a 'practicing Sikh' in whatever that meant for him.
My real concern is the Sikhs in the west. This is a western website, so if you so proud to be Punjabi, why not read and write on 5abi.com, Likhari.com, rubru.ca and many others? Why? Because Western Sikhs can’t read Punjabi..
Hindu writers have equal contribution – how can anyone forget Pandit Shardha Ram Philauri, IC Nanda (father of punjabi play writing), Dhani ram Chatrik, Barkat Ram Yuman, Shiv Kumar Batalvi, Balraj Sahni, Prem Prakash, Balwant Gargi, Mohan Bhandari and more. Where in here do the western raised Sikhs fall? Nowhere, they read English and will continue to do so. In time Bhangra will lose appeal as the language vanishes, and sadly over a long time they will integrate and marry the white man, having no soul link to Sikhi..that being the Punjabi Zubane. At that point SIkhsim will fade in the west, or like Jeevan Deol has suggested elsewhere the Western Sikhism will be very different from the original.
Again give it time. Seeds take time to plant and grow.
Also what is the 'original Sikhism'? That practiced in today's Punjab?
Deol suggests Original is the Panthic tradition, or Orthodox Sikhism. he suggests in west people will infude western ideas and living parameters, eg cut hair, alcahol, prayers in English, intergration with Westerns ideas et cetra, so by Orginal I just mean Sikhism as practised in India and up to now those from the Punjab
It is very clear that our differences of Religion and Culture exceeds our love of MaBoli.
Sad….
There is a danger of literature written in the Punjabi language becoming a kind of museum piece.
I think it will take new forms, like all Indian languages, Punjabi will evolve, will absorb forms, ideas, and revify itself by addressing itself to the concerns of the Punjabi readership. As long as there are Punjabis on both sides of the border there will be Punjabi literature, and if nothing else, the language will be kept alive and strong through music of which Punjab is particularly rich in, from classical to folk to bhangra to pop to sufi spirituals and through poetry. Language continues on many different levels. There is a living poetry scene and movement on both sides of the border. And that Sikhs do see themselves in some ways as the guardian of the language will keep it vibrant and alive.
People understand Bhangra, but they don't understand written Punjabi, mainly because most are Pindoos, and not pretentious.
You are so wrong
Hindu writers have equal contribution – how can anyone forget Pandit Shardha Ram Philauri, IC Nanda (father of punjabi play writing), Dhani ram Chatrik, Barkat Ram Yuman, Shiv Kumar Batalvi, Balraj Sahni, Prem Prakash, Balwant Gargi, Mohan Bhandari and more. Where in here do the western raised Sikhs fall? Nowhere, they read English and will continue to do so. In time Bhangra will lose appeal as the language vanishes, and sadly over a long time they will integrate and marry the white man, having no soul link to Sikhi..that being the Punjabi Zubane. At that point SIkhsim will fade in the west, or like Jeevan Deol has suggested elsewhere the Western Sikhism will be very different from the original.
Again give it time. Seeds take time to plant and grow.
Also what is the 'original Sikhism'? That practiced in today's Punjab?
Deol suggests Original is the Panthic tradition, or Orthodox Sikhism. he suggests in west people will infude western ideas and living parameters, eg cut hair, alcahol, prayers in English, intergration with Westerns ideas et cetra, so by Orginal I just mean Sikhism as practised in India and up to now those from the Punjab
It is very clear that our differences of Religion and Culture exceeds our love of MaBoli.
Sad….
There is a danger of literature written in the Punjabi language becoming a kind of museum piece.
I think it will take new forms, like all Indian languages, Punjabi will evolve, will absorb forms, ideas, and revify itself by addressing itself to the concerns of the Punjabi readership. As long as there are Punjabis on both sides of the border there will be Punjabi literature, and if nothing else, the language will be kept alive and strong through music of which Punjab is particularly rich in, from classical to folk to bhangra to pop to sufi spirituals and through poetry. Language continues on many different levels. There is a living poetry scene and movement on both sides of the border. And that Sikhs do see themselves in some ways as the guardian of the language will keep it vibrant and alive.
People understand Bhangra, but they don't understand written Punjabi, mainly because most are Pindoos, and not pretentious.
You are so wrong
Sorry some more points…
Punjabi has actually been saved primarily by people/leaders/writers having rural background….had it been left to the city dwellers, it would have been dead because in many sikh homes in cities, hindi/english is still preferred.
Sikh politicians have never been bothered about punjab or punjabi. I will let go all my anger against Akalis, if they manage to get Chandigarh back into Punjab.
So rather than saying that sikhs saved punjabi, we need to say that good punjabis saved their mother tongue and they came from different backgrounds.
But I bet Aman, Paramjeet, Bahadar, Bajwa are all Indian based Sikhs, or immigrants..Bet you no opinion is here from Western Sikhs because they can't read anything in Punjabi..
Sorry some more points…
Punjabi has actually been saved primarily by people/leaders/writers having rural background….had it been left to the city dwellers, it would have been dead because in many sikh homes in cities, hindi/english is still preferred.
Sikh politicians have never been bothered about punjab or punjabi. I will let go all my anger against Akalis, if they manage to get Chandigarh back into Punjab.
So rather than saying that sikhs saved punjabi, we need to say that good punjabis saved their mother tongue and they came from different backgrounds.
But I bet Aman, Paramjeet, Bahadar, Bajwa are all Indian based Sikhs, or immigrants..Bet you no opinion is here from Western Sikhs because they can't read anything in Punjabi..
I realise that Rupinderpal is the exception of course…
I realise that Rupinderpal is the exception of course…
http://www.5abi.com/kahani/kahani2008/022-talaak-varinder-azad-250410.htm
Okay…I can read actually…here is a challenge for all western based Sikhs who may have seen this blog..read the link and send Cheema your translation in Englisj…to prove that you can…I hope you do…otherwise Cheema has won the arguement ( ie Sikhi needs Punjabi, we lose ability to read and write it, we will eventually lose Sikhi, is that right Cheema?)
http://www.5abi.com/kahani/kahani2008/022-talaak-varinder-azad-250410.htm
Okay…I can read actually…here is a challenge for all western based Sikhs who may have seen this blog..read the link and send Cheema your translation in Englisj…to prove that you can…I hope you do…otherwise Cheema has won the arguement ( ie Sikhi needs Punjabi, we lose ability to read and write it, we will eventually lose Sikhi, is that right Cheema?)
That is not quite what I meant..but I bet you none of you Canadian, British or American raised Sikhs could name 5 authors who write in Punjabi
That is not quite what I meant..but I bet you none of you Canadian, British or American raised Sikhs could name 5 authors who write in Punjabi
Cheema,u r right mah freind,these western born and raised sikhs have never even read the punjabi alphabet.They have been reared on myths and delusions,spread by their ignoramous parents,friends and ever visiting babas.Hindu writers have contributed more to punjabi literature than these sword wielding phony sikhs.Of course roop dhillon is exception to the rule as he rightfully should be.
I am not Anti Sikh, just that Punjabi covers Muslims and Hindus as well. It also just happens the devout of any of these faith don’t generally write Literature, unless critique of society and Religion…may real beef is if you say you are Punjabi, even from West, then speak, read and write it!
Hey Cheema do u remember even before today's enviormental movement started,Shiv kumar Batalvi wrote a beautiful nazam titled Kujh Rukh Mainoo putt lagde ney,kujh rukh lagde Mawaan,man that dude could write.what do u thnk.
Cheema,u r right mah freind,these western born and raised sikhs have never even read the punjabi alphabet.They have been reared on myths and delusions,spread by their ignoramous parents,friends and ever visiting babas.Hindu writers have contributed more to punjabi literature than these sword wielding phony sikhs.Of course roop dhillon is exception to the rule as he rightfully should be.
I am not Anti Sikh, just that Punjabi covers Muslims and Hindus as well. It also just happens the devout of any of these faith don’t generally write Literature, unless critique of society and Religion…may real beef is if you say you are Punjabi, even from West, then speak, read and write it!
Hey Cheema do u remember even before today's enviormental movement started,Shiv kumar Batalvi wrote a beautiful nazam titled Kujh Rukh Mainoo putt lagde ney,kujh rukh lagde Mawaan,man that dude could write.what do u thnk.
Bhai Vir Singh, Hashim Shah, Gurdial Singh, Waris Shah, Mohan Singh
I read the first paragraph of the story with few issues.
I was born and raised in the diaspora.
Get off your high horse and do something positive rather than lamenting.
I can name Amrirta Pretum, Shiv Batalvi, D Jagtar, Sadhu Binning, Nanak Singh, SHivcharan Jaggi Kussa, and yes, rising star of the diaspora Roop Dhillon…I do think that the kids in the west are ignorant about Punjabi language, but I slo think you are unfair..It is the fault of those who don't speak Pujabi at home or encourage exploration of Punjabi Literature…The Parents
Bhai Vir Singh, Hashim Shah, Gurdial Singh, Waris Shah, Mohan Singh
I read the first paragraph of the story with few issues.
I was born and raised in the diaspora.
Get off your high horse and do something positive rather than lamenting.
I can name Amrirta Pretum, Shiv Batalvi, D Jagtar, Sadhu Binning, Nanak Singh, SHivcharan Jaggi Kussa, and yes, rising star of the diaspora Roop Dhillon…I do think that the kids in the west are ignorant about Punjabi language, but I slo think you are unfair..It is the fault of those who don't speak Pujabi at home or encourage exploration of Punjabi Literature…The Parents
1) have the will and 2) the capacity to nurture and love this language like others have done in the past. Can we help nurture the strength of Punjabi in today’s context?
1) Yes, look at all the comments above! Plus an area not dealt with above is Music. Punjabi music, especially modern Bhangra has done a lot…okay it may have dumbed down, but it connects with us
2) Again , we have the music, the films and looking at the above comments the brain boxes have the Literature!
Many who don’t live in the punjab (and some in the punjab as well) often speak a punjabi/hindi/urdu mix along with english. I’m not sure of the exact population who speak pure punjabi on a daily basis. I can see pure punjabi becoming rarer as time goes on. but that’s just my opinion as I have not seen any data on it. It’s a nice language so I hope it survives
It will in some form I guess, just not the one it use to be in..I think the Punjabi Music Industry is now doing what books use to do…
1) have the will and 2) the capacity to nurture and love this language like others have done in the past. Can we help nurture the strength of Punjabi in today’s context?
1) Yes, look at all the comments above! Plus an area not dealt with above is Music. Punjabi music, especially modern Bhangra has done a lot…okay it may have dumbed down, but it connects with us
2) Again , we have the music, the films and looking at the above comments the brain boxes have the Literature!
Many who don’t live in the punjab (and some in the punjab as well) often speak a punjabi/hindi/urdu mix along with english. I’m not sure of the exact population who speak pure punjabi on a daily basis. I can see pure punjabi becoming rarer as time goes on. but that’s just my opinion as I have not seen any data on it. It’s a nice language so I hope it survives
It will in some form I guess, just not the one it use to be in..I think the Punjabi Music Industry is now doing what books use to do…
A roman version would enable one to write and read Punjabi without a special
need for any font or a program. This would enable us to use the mass media.
I know many a newspapers in Punjabi are not on line for the very reason,
need for a special font. This also keeps
people from making their own web pages as it is quite an effort to make a
web page in Gurmukhi or Shahmukhi or Devnagri.
We need a script which is able to represent all the sounds in the Punjabi
language.
This script then would allow Punjabis worldwide to share and learn from each
other.
This is especially helpful for the parent who speak Punjabi at home in
foreign lands but are unable to teach them their native script due to the
effort involved. Once the kids grow up and go away they loose any connection
with their mother tongue. I am hoping that a Romanized version would make it easier for them to learn.
A roman version would enable one to write and read Punjabi without a special
need for any font or a program. This would enable us to use the mass media.
I know many a newspapers in Punjabi are not on line for the very reason,
need for a special font. This also keeps
people from making their own web pages as it is quite an effort to make a
web page in Gurmukhi or Shahmukhi or Devnagri.
We need a script which is able to represent all the sounds in the Punjabi
language.
This script then would allow Punjabis worldwide to share and learn from each
other.
This is especially helpful for the parent who speak Punjabi at home in
foreign lands but are unable to teach them their native script due to the
effort involved. Once the kids grow up and go away they loose any connection
with their mother tongue. I am hoping that a Romanized version would make it easier for them to learn.
http://www.global.ucsb.edu/punjab/journal_14_2/mann.pdf
This is interesting
Yes, karamjit that is an interesting thought. what would be we call Punjabi in Roman script – Goramukhi or Laatmukhi?
http://www.global.ucsb.edu/punjab/journal_14_2/mann.pdf
This is interesting
Yes, karamjit that is an interesting thought. what would be we call Punjabi in Roman script – Goramukhi or Laatmukhi?
Just dowload google punjabi ime from google transliteration,then u type on regular keyboard as the word sounds,in roman english and it will be transliterated into punjabi and about 120 other languages whichever u prefer.
Just dowload google punjabi ime from google transliteration,then u type on regular keyboard as the word sounds,in roman english and it will be transliterated into punjabi and about 120 other languages whichever u prefer.
as is this
http://www.global.ucsb.edu/punjab/14.1_Rahman.pdf
I think the solution is that western borns SIkhs take over the Gurdwara committees and Punjabi Schools
as is this
http://www.global.ucsb.edu/punjab/14.1_Rahman.pdf
I think the solution is that western borns SIkhs take over the Gurdwara committees and Punjabi Schools
I want to learn because I would love to be able to read gurmukhi and talk to my partner’s family in their first language. Oh, and understand what the hell is being said at the gurdwara!! I have always liked learning langauges even if I have never found one that a) I like the sound of and b) that has some kind of practical use. I wouldn’t say punjabi was the most beautiful language in the world, but I think it has character, which surely counts for a lot more!!
When I was at uni my partner taught me how to write and read the first 5 letters of the alphabet and a few odd words here and there, but now I have a more or less free year ahead of me I want to really bring myself up to speed. I can comfortably learn about 10 words a day so I’m working my way through hardeep singh’s punjabi recordings on youtube as well as learning to read, pronounce and write letters of the alphabet which I find much, much harder!
I want to learn because I would love to be able to read gurmukhi and talk to my partner’s family in their first language. Oh, and understand what the hell is being said at the gurdwara!! I have always liked learning langauges even if I have never found one that a) I like the sound of and b) that has some kind of practical use. I wouldn’t say punjabi was the most beautiful language in the world, but I think it has character, which surely counts for a lot more!!
When I was at uni my partner taught me how to write and read the first 5 letters of the alphabet and a few odd words here and there, but now I have a more or less free year ahead of me I want to really bring myself up to speed. I can comfortably learn about 10 words a day so I’m working my way through hardeep singh’s punjabi recordings on youtube as well as learning to read, pronounce and write letters of the alphabet which I find much, much harder!
Punjabi Hindus have bias against Punjabi. Growing up in Chandigarh not a single (all were Punjabis except 2) hindu in my class put Punjabi as their language. Few spoke hindi. This was for a census. They were outspoken about their anti Punjabi stand. Teachers were all Punjabi, and 90% were Hindu. They spoke amongst themselves in 'theth' Punjabi, but turned to Hindi when speaking to us even in private. Even sikhs today speak in Hindi at home, but have different reasons for doing so
Firstly good news, re your then concerns Kaurasach,
http://www.sikhnet.com/news/sikhs-secure-punjabi-language
Chungi khabar
‘Make Punjabi first language in Chandigarh’
Not sure these link worked
Anyhow some facts
Use of Punjabi and English, by message
Only English 84 (11.1%)
Some English, Some Punjabi 655 (86.3%)
Only Punjabi 20 ( 2.6%)
—————————————–
Total 759
Second-generation children of immigrants in communities
undergoing language shift avoid the mother tongue in favor
of the second language, and as a consequence may fail to
acquire the mother tongue or may acquire it only partially.
In such a situation, a distinction between creative and
fixed uses is important, since only creative uses constitute
evidence that active knowledge of the language is being
passed down from the older generation to the younger.
Many posters on soc.culture.punjab are second-
generation Punjabis, as indicated in the content of their
messages to the group. The limited extent of creative usage
of Punjabi, together with many posters’ self-reported
insecurity in using Punjabi, suggest that active knowledge
of the language is not being passed down. Even some of the
fixed uses illustrate a lack of Punjabi knowledge among
certain posters. For example, one person posted a sardonic
variation on a common formula, triggering a flood of other
postings. Some posters wanted to ascertain if the original
poster’s expression was correct or in jest, others asked
what the true expression was supposed to be, and others
offered opinions of what it should have said. This lack of
knowledge can be taken as evidence of language shift.
Further evidence of language shift is the fact that the
theme of inter-generational differences, including
differences in language use, is prominent in the topics
discussed on the newsgroup. An overwhelming number of
threads on soc.culture.punjab are concerned with issues of
cultural maintenance faced by Punjabi expatriate communities
in the US, UK and Canada, where most of the posters reside.
Topics range from interracial marriage to the practice of
Sikhism in the West, to worldwide Punjabi migrations, to
learning and using Punjabi. The picture that emerges from
these discussions is one in which expatriate Punjabi
communities are struggling to come to grips with a tendency
towards cultural (including language) shift, as second
generation Punjabis assimilate to the English-speaking
cultures in which they were born.
For further details of this article go to CIOS by John C. Paolillo
University of Texas at Arlington
Punjabi Hindus have bias against Punjabi…. thats a myth sikh bigots love to perpetuate.
"…not a single…hindu in my class put Punjabi as their language.." and how many of these "punjabi-hating" hindus invited you to their homes while completing census? must have been v hard for a 'Sirf Punjabi' campaigner like you hopping from one Hindu home to another to witness such ma-boli betrayal, right?
"Even sikhs today speak in Hindi at home, but have different reasons for doing so"
Hahahaha thats a weird analysis Dr Kausach.
shall i give you some hard facts?
almost 80 % of Punjabi speakers in the world live in Pakistani punjab and know what is the state language of lehnda Punjab? it is Urdu. i am pretty sure this 'revelation' would trigger massive sulking fit in you.
Shall i mention four of the most famous Punjabi writers from the Partition generation? K A Abaas, Saadat Hasan Manto, Sahir Ludhianvi and Mohammad Iqbal. they were Muslims, they were punjabis and they all wrote in URDU.
why they did so? maybe to get bigger audience…or whatever. so why always blame Hindus for betraying ma-boli. is it bigger sin than betraying your ma-dharti – your motherland?
my point is Hindu-baiting is favourite pastime of the parochial punjabis from the other side of the communal fence.
get over your hate for Hindus and fantasising about census which might have never taken place.
Wow…Sher you re-write history just as your big daddy RSS does when its son BJP comes into power by saffronising national curriculum of NCERT (CBSE). Now its happening in state of MP and couple of more states where BJP is in power. They make you do all sorts of Hindu rituals madatorily. I don't have time for all the links, references etc as this is comment and not an essay or research paper to write profusely and substantiate with links, references etc. May be you should suggest THL to add feature where essays and papers could be written and those interested could participate. I have seen you perhaps devote lot of your time doing these things on every post, which make me wonder WHO'S PAYING YOU DUDE ??!!!!
my dear friend RSS sanghi with a folding kanghi 😉
I despise RSS as much as I do sikh and Muslim communal (and extremist) outfits.
Nowhere I have defended RSS and the rabid communal outfits associated with it. My beef is with those who concoct, distort, re-write history to suit their narrow-minded extremist ideologies. SGPC is one prime example of such efforts.
I can understand your aversion to provide authentic citations. maybe you (whosoever you are and for whatever reasons you are not providing your 'genuine' TLH id) have none to back your arguments if you have any.
As far as who is paying me to "write profuselly and provide links, references…etc; " well my friend, it would be better if you focus on the issues and not such cheap jibes.
as far as whatever BJP is doing or not doing in MP, list that my friend. also list the same sort of exercises undertaken by other state governments like J&K, W Bengal, kerala, Punjab, etc.
And yes, if someone does not want to read a 'long post', they have a choice – SKIP IT.
lastly, i hope you would reveal your TLH id next time.
Thanks for your time.
Sher
What id are you talking about? At least I have my initials of my name (Harpreet Singh), you don't even have that. Talk of pot calling kettle black.
PS: You and your stereotypical biased moulded mind – needs some good air. I understand your religious phobia. I am not a keshdhari Sikh, as to your close minded statement of 'folding kanghi'. Grow up kid, this type of lingo substantiates that you are worth those cheap kids who have nothing to make laugh on. Let me still laugh for you to encourage you to do better – haha!!!!
Thanks kaurasach for speaking bitter truth. Hindus will burn, no matter what. They sole purpose is to keep control of all of India through any means. They don't give a damn to minorities. No one needs proof to substantiate this fact.
HS
No one needs proof to substantiate this fact."
no son, i would not let a bigot like you go un-challenged on this one.
even today there has been a news that the Gujarat BJP Home Minister would be arrested when he appears in front of a CBI court. i challenge you to give me one instance where communal sikh or Muslim politician from the ruling party has been arrested.
"They do not give a damn…."
Back this assertion with examples and i would give you ten such instances where Sikhs and Muslims have repressed Hindus and other faiths in India itself.
Hey himmat HS ? accept the challenge if you are a true Khalsa…
"Hindus would burn…"
no comments as the comment reveals your bigotry, your hatred for anything with 'Hindu' word associated with it.
Sher
Punjabi Hindus have bias against Punjabi. Growing up in Chandigarh not a single (all were Punjabis except 2) hindu in my class put Punjabi as their language. Few spoke hindi. This was for a census. They were outspoken about their anti Punjabi stand. Teachers were all Punjabi, and 90% were Hindu. They spoke amongst themselves in 'theth' Punjabi, but turned to Hindi when speaking to us even in private. Even sikhs today speak in Hindi at home, but have different reasons for doing so
Firstly good news, re your then concerns Kaurasach,
http://www.sikhnet.com/news/sikhs-secure-punjabi-language
Chungi khabar
‘Make Punjabi first language in Chandigarh’
Not sure these link worked
Anyhow some facts
Use of Punjabi and English, by message
Only English 84 (11.1%)
Some English, Some Punjabi 655 (86.3%)
Only Punjabi 20 ( 2.6%)
—————————————–
Total 759
Second-generation children of immigrants in communities
undergoing language shift avoid the mother tongue in favor
of the second language, and as a consequence may fail to
acquire the mother tongue or may acquire it only partially.
In such a situation, a distinction between creative and
fixed uses is important, since only creative uses constitute
evidence that active knowledge of the language is being
passed down from the older generation to the younger.
Many posters on soc.culture.punjab are second-
generation Punjabis, as indicated in the content of their
messages to the group. The limited extent of creative usage
of Punjabi, together with many posters’ self-reported
insecurity in using Punjabi, suggest that active knowledge
of the language is not being passed down. Even some of the
fixed uses illustrate a lack of Punjabi knowledge among
certain posters. For example, one person posted a sardonic
variation on a common formula, triggering a flood of other
postings. Some posters wanted to ascertain if the original
poster’s expression was correct or in jest, others asked
what the true expression was supposed to be, and others
offered opinions of what it should have said. This lack of
knowledge can be taken as evidence of language shift.
Further evidence of language shift is the fact that the
theme of inter-generational differences, including
differences in language use, is prominent in the topics
discussed on the newsgroup. An overwhelming number of
threads on soc.culture.punjab are concerned with issues of
cultural maintenance faced by Punjabi expatriate communities
in the US, UK and Canada, where most of the posters reside.
Topics range from interracial marriage to the practice of
Sikhism in the West, to worldwide Punjabi migrations, to
learning and using Punjabi. The picture that emerges from
these discussions is one in which expatriate Punjabi
communities are struggling to come to grips with a tendency
towards cultural (including language) shift, as second
generation Punjabis assimilate to the English-speaking
cultures in which they were born.
For further details of this article go to CIOS by John C. Paolillo
University of Texas at Arlington
Punjabi Hindus have bias against Punjabi…. thats a myth sikh bigots love to perpetuate.
"…not a single…hindu in my class put Punjabi as their language.." and how many of these "punjabi-hating" hindus invited you to their homes while completing census? must have been v hard for a 'Sirf Punjabi' campaigner like you hopping from one Hindu home to another to witness such ma-boli betrayal, right?
"Even sikhs today speak in Hindi at home, but have different reasons for doing so"
Hahahaha thats a weird analysis Dr Kausach.
shall i give you some hard facts?
almost 80 % of Punjabi speakers in the world live in Pakistani punjab and know what is the state language of lehnda Punjab? it is Urdu. i am pretty sure this 'revelation' would trigger massive sulking fit in you.
Shall i mention four of the most famous Punjabi writers from the Partition generation? K A Abaas, Saadat Hasan Manto, Sahir Ludhianvi and Mohammad Iqbal. they were Muslims, they were punjabis and they all wrote in URDU.
why they did so? maybe to get bigger audience…or whatever. so why always blame Hindus for betraying ma-boli. is it bigger sin than betraying your ma-dharti – your motherland?
my point is Hindu-baiting is favourite pastime of the parochial punjabis from the other side of the communal fence.
get over your hate for Hindus and fantasising about census which might have never taken place.
Wow…Sher you re-write history just as your big daddy RSS does when its son BJP comes into power by saffronising national curriculum of NCERT (CBSE). Now its happening in state of MP and couple of more states where BJP is in power. They make you do all sorts of Hindu rituals madatorily. I don't have time for all the links, references etc as this is comment and not an essay or research paper to write profusely and substantiate with links, references etc. May be you should suggest THL to add feature where essays and papers could be written and those interested could participate. I have seen you perhaps devote lot of your time doing these things on every post, which make me wonder WHO'S PAYING YOU DUDE ??!!!!
my dear friend RSS sanghi with a folding kanghi 😉
I despise RSS as much as I do sikh and Muslim communal (and extremist) outfits.
Nowhere I have defended RSS and the rabid communal outfits associated with it. My beef is with those who concoct, distort, re-write history to suit their narrow-minded extremist ideologies. SGPC is one prime example of such efforts.
I can understand your aversion to provide authentic citations. maybe you (whosoever you are and for whatever reasons you are not providing your 'genuine' TLH id) have none to back your arguments if you have any.
As far as who is paying me to "write profuselly and provide links, references…etc; " well my friend, it would be better if you focus on the issues and not such cheap jibes.
as far as whatever BJP is doing or not doing in MP, list that my friend. also list the same sort of exercises undertaken by other state governments like J&K, W Bengal, kerala, Punjab, etc.
And yes, if someone does not want to read a 'long post', they have a choice – SKIP IT.
lastly, i hope you would reveal your TLH id next time.
Thanks for your time.
Sher
What id are you talking about? At least I have my initials of my name (Harpreet Singh), you don't even have that. Talk of pot calling kettle black.
PS: You and your stereotypical biased moulded mind – needs some good air. I understand your religious phobia. I am not a keshdhari Sikh, as to your close minded statement of 'folding kanghi'. Grow up kid, this type of lingo substantiates that you are worth those cheap kids who have nothing to make laugh on. Let me still laugh for you to encourage you to do better – haha!!!!
Thanks kaurasach for speaking bitter truth. Hindus will burn, no matter what. They sole purpose is to keep control of all of India through any means. They don't give a damn to minorities. No one needs proof to substantiate this fact.
HS
No one needs proof to substantiate this fact."
no son, i would not let a bigot like you go un-challenged on this one.
even today there has been a news that the Gujarat BJP Home Minister would be arrested when he appears in front of a CBI court. i challenge you to give me one instance where communal sikh or Muslim politician from the ruling party has been arrested.
"They do not give a damn…."
Back this assertion with examples and i would give you ten such instances where Sikhs and Muslims have repressed Hindus and other faiths in India itself.
Hey himmat HS ? accept the challenge if you are a true Khalsa…
"Hindus would burn…"
no comments as the comment reveals your bigotry, your hatred for anything with 'Hindu' word associated with it.
Sher
Here in our community, None is interested in teaching their kids our culture, language or values. They encourage them in various fields as piano, soccer, etc. but nothing in Punjabi. They just utter opra opra jaya "hun ki kariae, begane desh baithay aan, bache nahin sunday" among other excuses. When kids make fools of themselves with their antics, "cross cultural differences", it is nervous laughter. There are means to teach Punjabi and enough willing teachers, but no willing kids or parents.
I would like to add that even though its true that Punjabi is gaining back the popularity (thx to Bhangra and sufi music) and also the large Overseas punjabi population, there is a decline in number of people who can read or write Punjabi (atleaset fluently). Most of the people outside Charde, who were born or grew up outside Punjab cannnot read or write Punjabi very well. I have my own family (which I really feel sorry for)who were born or grew up outside Punjab and can't read or write Punjabi. My Mom grew up in Dilli (Delhi..:))and she only learned to read Punjabi after she came back to my Dadke Pind after marriage.
Thanks kaurasach for speaking bitter truth. Hindus will burn, no matter what. They sole purpose is to keep control of all of India through any means. They don't give a damn to minorities.
Here in our community, None is interested in teaching their kids our culture, language or values. They encourage them in various fields as piano, soccer, etc. but nothing in Punjabi. They just utter opra opra jaya "hun ki kariae, begane desh baithay aan, bache nahin sunday" among other excuses. When kids make fools of themselves with their antics, "cross cultural differences", it is nervous laughter. There are means to teach Punjabi and enough willing teachers, but no willing kids or parents.
I would like to add that even though its true that Punjabi is gaining back the popularity (thx to Bhangra and sufi music) and also the large Overseas punjabi population, there is a decline in number of people who can read or write Punjabi (atleaset fluently). Most of the people outside Charde, who were born or grew up outside Punjab cannnot read or write Punjabi very well. I have my own family (which I really feel sorry for)who were born or grew up outside Punjab and can't read or write Punjabi. My Mom grew up in Dilli (Delhi..:))and she only learned to read Punjabi after she came back to my Dadke Pind after marriage.
Thanks kaurasach for speaking bitter truth. Hindus will burn, no matter what. They sole purpose is to keep control of all of India through any means. They don't give a damn to minorities.
He was the , is the, best Non Sikh Writer in Punjabi Shairee..My favorite is Ik Kudi jidha na mohabat
The other one is "sikhar duppehra siir te mera dhal challiya parchaanwaan,kabraan udeek diyaan jyon puttraan nuun maanwaan.May be i am living in the past but i donot think,there any short story writer better than balwant gargi.
I agree fully with Cheema and Paramjit. for me, batalvi was THE best. every song he has written…..simply beautiful. makes me feel so proud that he was a punjabi and expressed himself so vividly in this language. as far as longevity of Punjabi language is concerned, there was no language called 'punjabi' say 800-900 years back so how would it matter if there is no language called 'punjabi' after 500 years? why some of the posters are so paranoid about punjabi going into oblivion? are we worried about the demise of the classic 'Punjabi' language i.e. Sanskrit? nope. relax fellas. … AJ da din jiyo.. kal ki hona, kal vekhangey. as our Sartaj of tukkbandi – satinder has written "Philhaal hawawan roong diyan… jado jhakhad jhooloo vekhangey"
Hahahaha…how these self obsessed Hindu Sanghis are out to claim everything as their own….way to go hindu Sanghis…your huge population is definitely coming in your favour of reaching out to portals of different religions and spreading propagandas. Let me point out lastly that I have never seen Muslims or Sikhs or Christians adopting cheap and hypocrite tactic of hiding under different religion sounding name…but I've seen huge numbers of Hindus hiding under Muslim names speaking against Islam and also under Sikh names (3-4 are already active here!) speaking against Sikhism. Big time cheapsters.
He was the , is the, best Non Sikh Writer in Punjabi Shairee..My favorite is Ik Kudi jidha na mohabat
The other one is "sikhar duppehra siir te mera dhal challiya parchaanwaan,kabraan udeek diyaan jyon puttraan nuun maanwaan.May be i am living in the past but i donot think,there any short story writer better than balwant gargi.
I agree fully with Cheema and Paramjit. for me, batalvi was THE best. every song he has written…..simply beautiful. makes me feel so proud that he was a punjabi and expressed himself so vividly in this language. as far as longevity of Punjabi language is concerned, there was no language called 'punjabi' say 800-900 years back so how would it matter if there is no language called 'punjabi' after 500 years? why some of the posters are so paranoid about punjabi going into oblivion? are we worried about the demise of the classic 'Punjabi' language i.e. Sanskrit? nope. relax fellas. … AJ da din jiyo.. kal ki hona, kal vekhangey. as our Sartaj of tukkbandi – satinder has written "Philhaal hawawan roong diyan… jado jhakhad jhooloo vekhangey"
Hahahaha…how these self obsessed Hindu Sanghis are out to claim everything as their own….way to go hindu Sanghis…your huge population is definitely coming in your favour of reaching out to portals of different religions and spreading propagandas. Let me point out lastly that I have never seen Muslims or Sikhs or Christians adopting cheap and hypocrite tactic of hiding under different religion sounding name…but I've seen huge numbers of Hindus hiding under Muslim names speaking against Islam and also under Sikh names (3-4 are already active here!) speaking against Sikhism. Big time cheapsters.