Welcome to Obiter!

Obiter Training Limited is a new training organisation based in the Midlands, which aims to offer courses in niche areas of law, and that which links it to issues affecting our communities in order to help create change.

It gives me great pleasure to extend to you and your colleagues at the Women’s Networking Hub, an invitation to the launch event of our organisation. Our first seminar will be on the controversial and topical issue of Forced Marriages & Honour-Based Violence.

The seminar will be presented by three highly influential speakers, at St Philips Chambers in Birmingham City Centre on 4th February 2010.

This event is proving popular and spaces are limited – those interested in attending are encouraged to book early.

On behalf of the Obiter Team, may we thank you in advance for your support and we look forward to meeting with you in the very near future! Together, we can create change.

With kind regards

The Obiter team

I agree with it.

You were called a pervert by Reema and all you were stating was that you did not want Sikh men and women to fight each other.

But somehow that was turned around into meaning that you wanted a women to physically whip you.

In Jodha’s response she called me a liar and asked me to prove where my comments came from and I did in detail.

I guess they’ve proven that punjabi women are able to met out cruelty as well. So this is a punjabi issue.

Now that was just against the two of us.

But when you write these articles against Sikhism that’s Unacceptable.

Especially when Sikhism does not espouse to degrading women. Nor does Sikhism tell the abused or victims to turn the other cheek.

Whats disturbing is that people are trying to abuse and victimize Sikhism in a manner similar to whats going on. And its not just the men but its women as well.

Why dont they call it what it really is a filthy punjabi cultural attribute. But they wont because they were born punjabis.

And that could make them look like one of the abusers and thereby loss of their status as authority figures on this issue, which in this case means it would become more difficult for them to call others liars and perverted.

Its only after we noticed the Guru standing up against the incredible amount of tyranny,
did punjabis finally rise.

But now some punjabis believe they have an image to uphold minus the Faith. This is whats partially behind the abuse of women.

Do you harinder or jodha actually believe these types of people care what happens to Sikhism?

If they are willing to further the demise of a wife to the point of death, and make their
daughters feel that they are the downfall of the whole family, what makes you think that they care about Sikhism.

What makes you think that a mother-in-law, or women-in-law cares about womens suffrage. They are like queens and duchesses of an evil empire whose men rape, and they are yelling for more cruelty.

A victim is the consumer of someone elses guilt.

These women are being hung or burned alive for the crimes of the men and/or their families.

What do you think the Guru would tell Sikhs if Sikh women were being murdered like this?

In this case the theory and ground game are reflective of each other.

Its the inability or refusal to call out what is taking place that is the major part of the problem.

The old problems are still there, people are standing in the ganges river sending water to the Sun. Only now people want to call this Sikhism. Thats false.

This is where anyone who has Love for Sikhism should take issue.

Dowry is not a man and his family that can’t fend for them selves.

Dowry is the rights and privileges of a family that has male children. Just like slavery in the West was once seen as the right of the white race to subjugate the black african race at their discretion.

It’s the male that determines the sex of the child and tossing the coin, the females coin is the same on both sides.

The ideal and realistic answer is, we need to practice Sikhism.

When someone is practicing these behaviors against a Sikh woman, she needs to be taught from the Sikh Faith standpoint that this behavior against her is something her faith cannot tolerate. As a Sikh she has the right to defend herself or move away from the situation.

Guru Nanak Sahib Ji did not just teach men about Waheguruji, the teachings are for all genders, and races.

Every Sikh is responsible for seeking a relationship with Waheguruji. When we start taking this to heart, is when we start taking a step towards the Truth of Living.

We need to protect the Sacred Message of Sikhism, even if it means protecting it from ourselves.

If my generation is scum, then let Me be scum, not Sikhism

I think there is a mismatch between our
“Theory and our on Ground situation”.

1) Dowry :– I think reflects a incomplete man and his family which cannot fend for himself on this planet.
It is not worthwhile girls going into such home.
I think one solution is that SIKH parents and girls must not get their daughter married into homes which demand dowry.

2)Female phobia ( Femphob) :— Again stems from three factors

a) The worry of dowry
b) The link between family honour and Virginity.
c) May be thought of “Old age” woes that who shall look after us.

I dont know what is the Ideal answer;
but any suggestions to over come this violence and
pursuit of an Ideala family and society is welcome