India’s Got Stupidity

And some brave Sikhs that won’t buckle for the whims of one self-righteous judge.

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89 Responses to “India’s Got Stupidity”

  1. H S says:

    Wait for the Hindu force to come. You are blacklisted and marked as terrorist and Khalistani to give your opinion about Indian govt cum Hindu Nationalists, JODHA.

  2. H S says:

    I mean: Indian govt cum Hindu Nationalists = Anything Hindustani, nationalistic, Bharat varsh, Hindustani public etc

  3. H S says:

    Wait for the Hindu force to come. You are blacklisted and marked as terrorist and Khalistani to give your opinion about Indian govt cum Hindu Nationalists, JODHA.

  4. H S says:

    I mean: Indian govt cum Hindu Nationalists = Anything Hindustani, nationalistic, Bharat varsh, Hindustani public etc

  5. KDS says:

    A lot of bloggers here promote liberal logic and freedom of speech .Now what happened?
    What Sajid khan said was freedom of speech..What he said that he beleive a 5 year old should not have sword in his hand.may be million around the world agree with him so does it mean that they all are stupid?Anyway I don't agree with him but if sikhs really feels that people should not say anything about them on these type of issue's then they should not participate on these petty TV shows

  6. iSingh says:

    I agree with Sajid completeley. It is a question of safety and messaging. There is nothing religious about the whole issue. Going by my own historical experience, there'll be many kids from all religious groups swerving swords around the world after seeing that little dude. Not cool.

    I also am not sure if the background music's and Kiran Kher's religious angle was appropriate for a talent show.

    • Sher says:

      First they go merchandising their 'faith' in a reality show and then they claim 'sacrilege'. now head granthi of Akal Takht is jumping up and down against show judge Sajid's stand on promoting violence among children as young as five.

      Reality show also stand accused of cheap tactics to involve controversy to sell their show. do not tell me they did not know a five-year old would be wielding sword among ferocious "performers'.

      Anyway, my support for beleaguered Sajid and imagine the sikh ultra fury had the judge in question been a Hindu.

      Phew!!

      Sher

      • H S says:

        Bring in your Sikh bashing rhetoric here too Mr. Sher. You seem to be definitely obsessed and trained with degrading and spreading false propaganda about Sikhs'.
        Anyways I never expected any germane and pertinent reasoning from you. You are time and again reinforcing that fact and, god willing, helping other uninformed Sikhs of the tactics and propaganda of Hindu-cum-Indian Nationalists.

        -Harpreet Singh.

      • AmericanSikh says:

        If the judge in question had been a Hindu, the whole situation would have been called a "conspiracy to undermine Sikhi and Sikhs". Funny how our people act/think sometimes.

        • H S says:

          @ AmericanSikh: Do you even know what I am talking about? As to what you are construing, I suspect you don't have an idea of all the comments and views of Sher or mine other than above. So its appropriate for you not to pass on your judgments.

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          "It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument."

          • AmericanSikh says:

            It just seems to me that whenever someone disagrees with Sher's comments, they sometimes resort to calling him a "Hindu Propagandist". It's of concern because this is an issue within the Sikh community at large. I think we wrongfully blame so-called "Indian agents", "Indian government stooges", and right-wing Hindus for many of our problems. If we are to resolve our problems and move forward, we need to stop this kind of finger pointing and scapegoating. My appologies if my earlier comment sounded condescending.

          • H S says:

            @ AmericanSikh: Just one advice. Read more history, not just the news articles and opinions, but try to dig out facts from all sources.

            http://www .unp. co.in/f16/illustrated-hinduization-of-sikh-faith-and-history-17195/ —> Perhaps you seem to me either 1) a product of this fact which this article presented, or 2) another Sikh afraid to accept his/her religion assertively, or 3) another Sikh trying to assimilate with the majority for the obvious reasons by obliterating the natural humane concerns of the minority in first place and concerns of the Sikhs in second place.

            Perhaps you might like reading this brief article, from a highly reputed association of rationalists since 1885 from UK, which speaks from perspective of general Indian, not Sikhs or Hindus or Muslims or Christians. If your brain is 'open' in analysis, which I highly doubt because of visible influence or being uninformative on your part, then you will get the answers to the finger pointing at Indian Govt. or Hindu Nationalism.

            http:// newhumanist. org. uk/1432/holy-warriors-a-journey-into-the-heart-of-indian-fundamentalism-by-edna-fernandes

            Another perspective of a foreigner in India:
            http://www. dci. dk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=519:the-cultural-and-religious-dimensions-of-neo-hinduism&catid=155&Itemid=36

            Just remove the spaces, where ever, in the links.
            ———————————————————————————————————
            "Anyone who trades liberty for security deserves neither liberty nor security”

          • Sher says:

            Is this your full time job HS – slandering Hindus and Hinduism?

            This thread has got nothing to do with Hindu nationalism but even here you are busy giving vent to your 'hindu' conspiracy theories. Did hindus pay Sajid to raise objection to a five year old in such violent show? and how about the other Gatka performers… they were so joyous after the show? why they have not announced BOYCOTT of such DISCRIMINATORY show?

            Sher

          • H S says:

            @ Sher: Go to the starting of this comment, and tell me who first brought the Hindu factor here? You are so dumb that you forget what you speak.

          • Sher says:

            This is what I found at the starting:

            comment no. 1 by a certain 'H S'

            "Wait for the Hindu force to come. You are blacklisted and marked as terrorist and Khalistani to give your opinion about Indian govt cum Hindu Nationalists, JODHA."

            JODHA!!!!! is that you??? or is it H S aka Harpreet Singh

            Comment no. 2 by H S

            I mean: Indian govt cum Hindu Nationalists = Anything Hindustani, nationalistic, Bharat varsh, Hindustani public etc " UNQUOTE

            I comment followed much later and had no 'Hindu nationalism' in it.

            Sher

          • AmericanSikh says:

            Sorry HS, those web addresses didn't work when I copied and pasted them into the browser. But my point is that there are much more severe threats to the Sikh faith than the hindu-nationalist/indian government spectre that gets raised at times. These include drug problems and declining water levels in panjab, mismanagement of gurdwaras, caste wars, etc. We should focus on resolving these issues ( which in my opinion don't have much to do with Hindu vs. Sikh or Indian government propaganda).

          • H S says:

            @ AmericanSikh: That's right. I didn't raise that issue at first hand. It was provoked by Sher on bringing Hindu comparison in between deliberately to show his hatred for Sikhs who are not afraid to call spade a spade, unlike majority of Sikhs which I explained in my previous comment. Anyways, I am sorry if it hurt you, I didn't intend to hurt condescend or anyother for that matter.

          • Sher says:

            Thanks AmericanSikh for speaking up against wasting time and energy on "the hindu-nationalist/indian government spectre".

            Our beloved Punjab is undergoing severe financial crisis at the moment thanks to the mismanagement by the populist Akali-BJP coalition. Besides the issues you have identified so correctly, we also need to address youth unemployment, female infanticide, corruption, communalisation/religious intolerance, environmental issues, etc.

            I wonder if someone would start a thread to discuss ways to improve Punjab (and wider Indian) economy. I may have some very basic suggestions to add to any such debate.

            There is also an urgent need to initiate inter and intra community dialogue to sort out any differences.

            I hope I am making sense here.

            Sher

      • reshnn says:

        First, it is a given that the show was aware of the performance and performers ages as it is a requirement. I am not sure that swords are readily available in every household with 5-year-old children, if that is the case then maybe there should be an expectation of parents actually watching their children. As for the "violence" aspect, this was a show of talent. The talent of Gatka which is Sikh Martial Arts and taught to children at a very young age. It is a staple of the religion as is talking communion in Catholicism yet there havent been any reports of 5 year olds are running around with bottles of red wine. As for Sajid not being a Hindu, maybe that is where the expectation of more tolerance came from.

    • Rajinder Singh Virk says:

      Just goes to show u that sikhs cannot get beyond narrow confines/parameters of religious acts.It seems that symbolism of their sect/faith has dominated their whole lifes,and they cannot even have simple fun without invoking,the cause of their beliefs.How's that for hegemony.It is so sad.lol:)

  7. KDS says:

    A lot of bloggers here promote liberal logic and freedom of speech .Now what happened?
    What Sajid khan said was freedom of speech..What he said that he beleive a 5 year old should not have sword in his hand.may be million around the world agree with him so does it mean that they all are stupid?Anyway I don't agree with him but if sikhs really feels that people should not say anything about them on these type of issue's then they should not participate on these petty TV shows

  8. iSingh says:

    I agree with Sajid completeley. It is a question of safety and messaging. There is nothing religious about the whole issue. Going by my own historical experience, there'll be many kids from all religious groups swerving swords around the world after seeing that little dude. Not cool.

    I also am not sure if the background music's and Kiran Kher's religious angle was appropriate for a talent show.

    • Rajinder Singh Virk says:

      Just goes to show u that sikhs cannot get beyond narrow confines/parameters of religious acts.It seems that symbolism of their sect/faith has dominated their whole lifes,and they cannot even have simple fun without invoking,the cause of their beliefs.How's that for hegemony.It is so sad.lol:)

    • Sher says:

      First they go merchandising their 'faith' in a reality show and then they claim 'sacrilege'. now head granthi of Akal Takht is jumping up and down against show judge Sajid's stand on promoting violence among children as young as five.

      Reality show also stand accused of cheap tactics to involve controversy to sell their show. do not tell me they did not know a five-year old would be wielding sword among ferocious "performers'.

      Anyway, my support for beleaguered Sajid and imagine the sikh ultra fury had the judge in question been a Hindu.

      Phew!!

      Sher

      • H S says:

        Bring in your Sikh bashing rhetoric here too Mr. Sher. You seem to be definitely obsessed and trained with degrading and spreading false propaganda about Sikhs'.
        Anyways I never expected any germane and pertinent reasoning from you. You are time and again reinforcing that fact and, god willing, helping other uninformed Sikhs of the tactics and propaganda of Hindu-cum-Indian Nationalists.

        -Harpreet Singh.

      • AmericanSikh says:

        If the judge in question had been a Hindu, the whole situation would have been called a "conspiracy to undermine Sikhi and Sikhs". Funny how our people act/think sometimes.

        • H S says:

          @ AmericanSikh: Do you even know what I am talking about? As to what you are construing, I suspect you don't have an idea of all the comments and views of Sher or mine other than above. So its appropriate for you not to pass on your judgments.

          —————————————————————————–
          "It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument."

          • AmericanSikh says:

            It just seems to me that whenever someone disagrees with Sher's comments, they sometimes resort to calling him a "Hindu Propagandist". It's of concern because this is an issue within the Sikh community at large. I think we wrongfully blame so-called "Indian agents", "Indian government stooges", and right-wing Hindus for many of our problems. If we are to resolve our problems and move forward, we need to stop this kind of finger pointing and scapegoating. My appologies if my earlier comment sounded condescending.

          • H S says:

            @ AmericanSikh: Just one advice. Read more history, not just the news articles and opinions, but try to dig out facts from all sources.

            http://www .unp. co.in/f16/illustrated-hinduization-of-sikh-faith-and-history-17195/ —> Perhaps you seem to me either 1) a product of this fact which this article presented, or 2) another Sikh afraid to accept his/her religion assertively, or 3) another Sikh trying to assimilate with the majority for the obvious reasons by obliterating the natural humane concerns of the minority in first place and concerns of the Sikhs in second place.

            Perhaps you might like reading this brief article, from a highly reputed association of rationalists since 1885 from UK, which speaks from perspective of general Indian, not Sikhs or Hindus or Muslims or Christians. If your brain is 'open' in analysis, which I highly doubt because of visible influence or being uninformative on your part, then you will get the answers to the finger pointing at Indian Govt. or Hindu Nationalism.

            http:// newhumanist. org. uk/1432/holy-warriors-a-journey-into-the-heart-of-indian-fundamentalism-by-edna-fernandes

            Another perspective of a foreigner in India:
            http://www. dci. dk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=519:the-cultural-and-religious-dimensions-of-neo-hinduism&catid=155&Itemid=36

            Just remove the spaces, where ever, in the links.
            ———————————————————————————————————
            "Anyone who trades liberty for security deserves neither liberty nor security”

          • Sher says:

            Is this your full time job HS – slandering Hindus and Hinduism?

            This thread has got nothing to do with Hindu nationalism but even here you are busy giving vent to your 'hindu' conspiracy theories. Did hindus pay Sajid to raise objection to a five year old in such violent show? and how about the other Gatka performers… they were so joyous after the show? why they have not announced BOYCOTT of such DISCRIMINATORY show?

            Sher

          • H S says:

            @ Sher: Go to the starting of this comment, and tell me who first brought the Hindu factor here? You are so dumb that you forget what you speak.

          • Sher says:

            This is what I found at the starting:

            comment no. 1 by a certain 'H S'

            "Wait for the Hindu force to come. You are blacklisted and marked as terrorist and Khalistani to give your opinion about Indian govt cum Hindu Nationalists, JODHA."

            JODHA!!!!! is that you??? or is it H S aka Harpreet Singh

            Comment no. 2 by H S

            I mean: Indian govt cum Hindu Nationalists = Anything Hindustani, nationalistic, Bharat varsh, Hindustani public etc " UNQUOTE

            I comment followed much later and had no 'Hindu nationalism' in it.

            Sher

          • AmericanSikh says:

            Sorry HS, those web addresses didn't work when I copied and pasted them into the browser. But my point is that there are much more severe threats to the Sikh faith than the hindu-nationalist/indian government spectre that gets raised at times. These include drug problems and declining water levels in panjab, mismanagement of gurdwaras, caste wars, etc. We should focus on resolving these issues ( which in my opinion don't have much to do with Hindu vs. Sikh or Indian government propaganda).

          • H S says:

            @ AmericanSikh: That's right. I didn't raise that issue at first hand. It was provoked by Sher on bringing Hindu comparison in between deliberately to show his hatred for Sikhs who are not afraid to call spade a spade, unlike majority of Sikhs which I explained in my previous comment. Anyways, I am sorry if it hurt you, I didn't intend to hurt condescend or anyother for that matter.

          • Sher says:

            Thanks AmericanSikh for speaking up against wasting time and energy on "the hindu-nationalist/indian government spectre".

            Our beloved Punjab is undergoing severe financial crisis at the moment thanks to the mismanagement by the populist Akali-BJP coalition. Besides the issues you have identified so correctly, we also need to address youth unemployment, female infanticide, corruption, communalisation/religious intolerance, environmental issues, etc.

            I wonder if someone would start a thread to discuss ways to improve Punjab (and wider Indian) economy. I may have some very basic suggestions to add to any such debate.

            There is also an urgent need to initiate inter and intra community dialogue to sort out any differences.

            I hope I am making sense here.

            Sher

      • reshnn says:

        First, it is a given that the show was aware of the performance and performers ages as it is a requirement. I am not sure that swords are readily available in every household with 5-year-old children, if that is the case then maybe there should be an expectation of parents actually watching their children. As for the "violence" aspect, this was a show of talent. The talent of Gatka which is Sikh Martial Arts and taught to children at a very young age. It is a staple of the religion as is talking communion in Catholicism yet there havent been any reports of 5 year olds are running around with bottles of red wine. As for Sajid not being a Hindu, maybe that is where the expectation of more tolerance came from.

  9. H S says:

    This is a talent show. Talent is not defined within age group or types of acts. There is no definition on TYPE AND AGE OF TALENT WHATESOEVER. It was just a display of talent and not indulgence of real fight. Here are my few points:

    1) I am sure if there was some kid kissing and doing romantic acts, then it would not have been a problem. Setting precedent for promiscuity from small age is not a problem but setting precedent for some activity which keeps people away from drugs and other eveil influence, as they grow up, is a wrong precedent.

    2) If Vishva Hindu Parishad (VHP) trains kids in Shaka with Lathis then it is considered social service. When 5 year old are inducted in Kalaripayattu it is fine, even though there is use of swords.

    3) American Kids (white and African American) are not watching Gatka or playing Gatka but they are still violent. Bullying and burning other kids on petty issues so what has Mr.Khan got to say about it.

    4) How about banning video games which promote violence of extreme levels. I am sure Sajid's and the supporters' children, if any, also might be playing some games more violent in nature.Nay, that is part of the liberal culture, ain't it? How about banning movies like karate kid etc? Nay, that's American, liberal seeming and more interesting to watch, ain't it?

    5) Gatka is part of Sikhs' traditions and culture. Whether it is bad or good for children is subjective in nature just as you cannot judge the exposure of children to various social ills like promiscuity, rape, drugs etc through T.V channels in western countries. Culture and tradition cannot be judged by any person. They have stood test of time.

    I know all those against this act would think nothing beyond what's considered to be a LIBERAL thought even if it might be a part of double standards. It's easy to lead a SO CALLED LIBERAL LIFE WHICH REQUIRES NO THINKING OR ANALYZING, BUT JUST GOING BY WHAT 'GENERAL' PUBLIC DEEMS APPROPRIATE AND RIGHT.

  10. H S says:

    This is a talent show. Talent is not defined within age group or types of acts. There is no definition on TYPE AND AGE OF TALENT WHATESOEVER. It was just a display of talent and not indulgence of real fight. Here are my few points:

    1) I am sure if there was some kid kissing and doing romantic acts, then it would not have been a problem. Setting precedent for promiscuity from small age is not a problem but setting precedent for some activity which keeps people away from drugs and other eveil influence, as they grow up, is a wrong precedent.

    2) If Vishva Hindu Parishad (VHP) trains kids in Shaka with Lathis then it is considered social service. When 5 year old are inducted in Kalaripayattu it is fine, even though there is use of swords.

    3) American Kids (white and African American) are not watching Gatka or playing Gatka but they are still violent. Bullying and burning other kids on petty issues so what has Mr.Khan got to say about it.

    4) How about banning video games which promote violence of extreme levels. I am sure Sajid's and the supporters' children, if any, also might be playing some games more violent in nature.Nay, that is part of the liberal culture, ain't it? How about banning movies like karate kid etc? Nay, that's American, liberal seeming and more interesting to watch, ain't it?

    5) Gatka is part of Sikhs' traditions and culture. Whether it is bad or good for children is subjective in nature just as you cannot judge the exposure of children to various social ills like promiscuity, rape, drugs etc through T.V channels in western countries. Culture and tradition cannot be judged by any person. They have stood test of time.

    I know all those against this act would think nothing beyond what's considered to be a LIBERAL thought even if it might be a part of double standards. It's easy to lead a SO CALLED LIBERAL LIFE WHICH REQUIRES NO THINKING OR ANALYZING, BUT JUST GOING BY WHAT 'GENERAL' PUBLIC DEEMS APPROPRIATE AND RIGHT.

  11. slumgods says:

    damn its crazy how deep of a setup that show is

  12. slumgods says:

    damn its crazy how deep of a setup that show is

  13. Jodha says:

    When we started The Langar Hall, we had hoped for intelligent conversation, not the same knee-jerk responses to be followed on every post we put up.

    @sher – some valid points, but trying to raise the question of whether the judge being of a Hindu background is as irrelevant as most of your banal and repetitive comments

    @kds – I didn't ask that Sajjid be silenced. People have the right to say stupid things and I have the right to call them stupid. Do you ever have a point?

    @Virk – I am sure there are many other people of a Sikh background trying to do many things for the show. Sikhs are not the monolith you present nor the straw man that you are so 'bravely' trying to refute. Always banging the same drum – no one is listening!

    @slumdog – you are right. The show is intended to manufacture controversies and drama. This is what sells.

    • yourconsiencerandep says:

      Ah, how marvelous. You post both of these two sentences within the same post- the juxtaposition is great.

      1. "When we started The Langar Hall, we had hoped for intelligent conversation, not the same knee-jerk responses to be followed on every post we put up."

      2. "you are right. The show is intended to manufacture controversies and drama. This is what sells."

      Doesn't that leave you in some sort of cognitive dissonance, Jodha? Isn't that really what the TLH is all about? Every superficial post on the TLH, as I have repeatedly tried to show you for over a year now, is nothing but controversy-mongering instead of thoughtful, deliberate consideration. And then you complain everyone is being knee-jerk. Look in the mirror man. I mean, look at this very post. All you could muster up is: "India’s Got Stupidity" and "And some brave Sikhs that won’t buckle for the whims of one self-righteous judge." Give us a break man.

      • H S says:

        What's your point here? Do you want to know some rationale of why this article is put up? Or did you want Jodha to specifically have laid out the rationale himself in the post? If your ultimate objective is to attack someone then no reasoning or rationale can stop you or for that matter anyone.

        What it seems to me from your comment is that you don't like the TLH for the reason that you find it to be controversy mongering, however I disagree with you. The reason is because one's controversy is an opportunity for the truth to be told, one's controversy is an opportunity for others to know the truth, and one's controversy is an opportunity for the controversy to be ended by reasoning and understanding. The hard truth to hear is that CONTROVERSY IS ONLY DREADED BY THE ADVOCATES OF ERROR OR CRIME.

        Lastly if you think you need rationale and reasons why this was a stupid act by Indian, then probably you might want to read my comment above which spans across different cultures and socio-economic considerations.

        P.S: This is one Sikh site which perhaps must have started to be a voice for uninformed news and status of Sikhs in India or abroad. And in every religion some rationality is overwhelmed by consideration for the people of that religion. Sikhism is the only religion whose voice is under representated everywhere and shockingly in place of its birth too. I believe what TLH is doing is giving some voice and representing the suppressed voice (yes, suppressed!!!!) of the Sikhs in India. I think if you are a man enough this thing should go into everyone's mind who think that these types of articles shouldn't be present in TLH.

        ———————————————————————————
        "Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad."

  14. Jodha says:

    When we started The Langar Hall, we had hoped for intelligent conversation, not the same knee-jerk responses to be followed on every post we put up.

    @sher – some valid points, but trying to raise the question of whether the judge being of a Hindu background is as irrelevant as most of your banal and repetitive comments

    @kds – I didn’t ask that Sajjid be silenced. People have the right to say stupid things and I have the right to call them stupid. Do you ever have a point?

    @Virk – I am sure there are many other people of a Sikh background trying to do many things for the show. Sikhs are not the monolith you present nor the straw man that you are so ‘bravely’ trying to refute. Always banging the same drum – no one is listening!

    @slumdog – you are right. The show is intended to manufacture controversies and drama. This is what sells.

    • yourconsiencerandep says:

      Ah, how marvelous. You post both of these two sentences within the same post- the juxtaposition is great.

      1. "When we started The Langar Hall, we had hoped for intelligent conversation, not the same knee-jerk responses to be followed on every post we put up."

      2. "you are right. The show is intended to manufacture controversies and drama. This is what sells."

      Doesn't that leave you in some sort of cognitive dissonance, Jodha? Isn't that really what the TLH is all about? Every superficial post on the TLH, as I have repeatedly tried to show you for over a year now, is nothing but controversy-mongering instead of thoughtful, deliberate consideration. And then you complain everyone is being knee-jerk. Look in the mirror man. I mean, look at this very post. All you could muster up is: "India’s Got Stupidity" and "And some brave Sikhs that won’t buckle for the whims of one self-righteous judge." Give us a break man.

      • H S says:

        What's your point here? Do you want to know some rationale of why this article is put up? Or did you want Jodha to specifically have laid out the rationale himself in the post? If your ultimate objective is to attack someone then no reasoning or rationale can stop you or for that matter anyone.

        What it seems to me from your comment is that you don't like the TLH for the reason that you find it to be controversy mongering, however I disagree with you. The reason is because one's controversy is an opportunity for the truth to be told, one's controversy is an opportunity for others to know the truth, and one's controversy is an opportunity for the controversy to be ended by reasoning and understanding. The hard truth to hear is that CONTROVERSY IS ONLY DREADED BY THE ADVOCATES OF ERROR OR CRIME.

        Lastly if you think you need rationale and reasons why this was a stupid act by Indian, then probably you might want to read my comment above which spans across different cultures and socio-economic considerations.

        P.S: This is one Sikh site which perhaps must have started to be a voice for uninformed news and status of Sikhs in India or abroad. And in every religion some rationality is overwhelmed by consideration for the people of that religion. Sikhism is the only religion whose voice is under representated everywhere and shockingly in place of its birth too. I believe what TLH is doing is giving some voice and representing the suppressed voice (yes, suppressed!!!!) of the Sikhs in India. I think if you are a man enough this thing should go into everyone's mind who think that these types of articles shouldn't be present in TLH.

        ———————————————————————————
        "Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad."

  15. lakhvir says:

    just another episode to prove just how spiritually immature we all are turning such a petty issue into a hoohaa. we should be humble enough like nanak to accept criticism and churn it into a divine message. alas, the critic and criticized just don't seem to grow up ..

  16. lakhvir says:

    just another episode to prove just how spiritually immature we all are turning such a petty issue into a hoohaa. we should be humble enough like nanak to accept criticism and churn it into a divine message. alas, the critic and criticized just don't seem to grow up ..

  17. Dosanjh says:

    "Just goes to show u that sikhs cannot get beyond narrow confines/parameters of religious acts.It seems that symbolism of THEIR SECT/faith has dominated THEIR whole lifes,and THEY cannot even have simple fun without invoking,the cause of THEIR beliefs"
    ——————-
    ^ Well……..after that ^ display I don't think there can be anybody here left with any doubt that whenever they see a post here by a certain 'Rajinder Singh Virk'…..they can be sure that it is actually a 'Rakesh Gupta' or a 'Sunil Sharma' pretending to be a Singh. Or…perhaps I'm wrong ? Perhaps a Rajinder Singh Virk really is full of self loathing and gets so worked up in his anti-sikh hatred that he forgets who and what he is, so in all the intense drama mistakingly thinks he's an hassidic jew from Brooklyn talking about THEM Sikhs from Punjab.

  18. Dosanjh says:

    "Just goes to show u that sikhs cannot get beyond narrow confines/parameters of religious acts.It seems that symbolism of THEIR SECT/faith has dominated THEIR whole lifes,and THEY cannot even have simple fun without invoking,the cause of THEIR beliefs"
    ——————-
    ^ Well……..after that ^ display I don't think there can be anybody here left with any doubt that whenever they see a post here by a certain 'Rajinder Singh Virk'…..they can be sure that it is actually a 'Rakesh Gupta' or a 'Sunil Sharma' pretending to be a Singh. Or…perhaps I'm wrong ? Perhaps a Rajinder Singh Virk really is full of self loathing and gets so worked up in his anti-sikh hatred that he forgets who and what he is, so in all the intense drama mistakingly thinks he's an hassidic jew from Brooklyn talking about THEM Sikhs from Punjab.

  19. Sher says:

    they can be sure that it is actually a 'Rakesh Gupta' or a 'Sunil Sharma' pretending to be a Singh"

    conspiracy theories. 'They' are out to get you Dosanjh, quick get back into your basement and switch off all the lights. live in darkness.

    here we have two sides of a coin lakhvir and Dosanjh.

    lakhvir (just my humble opinion) is spot on with his observation about the "petty issue". How a community can get worked up so much (Akal Takht and political parties getting involved!!!) over such a trivial matter is beyond my comprehension.

    Now they want Akal Takht to 'punish' the show judge!! Someone reminded of the Aurangzeb days? would there be a Hukamnama from Akal Takht BANNING the ban on five-year olds (just Sikhs, no other community) brandishing swords?

    Just one simple question, who takes responsibility if that five-year-old gets hurt while practicing or performing?

    Why so much paranoia …insecurity?

    Sher

    • H S says:

      "conspiracy theories. 'They' are out to get you Dosanjh, quick get back into your basement and switch off all the lights. live in darkness. "

      Look pot calling the kettle black. Sher you are one big time hypocrite I must say. Did you so easily forget YOUR CONSPIRACIES WHICH YOU KEEP REITERATING. Here's your piece of shit that you threw, just like your 100% of all other shits –

      "I am v glad H S you too my bait …exposing you ARE a Muslim barbarian here to fuel the fire of Hindu-Sikh strife. "

      Keep up the work to prove the actual GENUINE DESIRE (?) of Hindus present on this site to discuss.

      P.S: You lied, just like other cheap Hindus, that you don't live in Canada. However you are so dumb that you leave the imprints of your cheap lies. Do you remember this link given by you?
      http://books.google.ca/books?id=EWlHPAkjBKUC&….

      Dumbs like you would go to the google's canadian website (google.ca) if you don't stay in Canada, to search just as you have done by providing this link.

      You know what, your neo-nazi RSS' inspired character is not just that you will not be believed by anyone, but that you don't believe anyone!!!!

      • Sher says:

        @ H S

        Harooon haroooon harooooonya!!!

        I was quoting someone and the link you are blabbering about was one of the citations given by the writer.

        Hahahaha

        how dumb these terrorism loving sickos are…amazing. no wonder khalistan movement lost steam so quickly ;) no guts no brains only paki daddies got the bloody movement alive for khali fat bottoms.

        moot di jhag , that is how they describe khalistani movement HERE in punjab.

  20. H S says:

    "conspiracy theories. 'They' are out to get you Dosanjh, quick get back into your basement and switch off all the lights. live in darkness. "

    Look pot calling the kettle black. Sher you are one big time hypocrite I must say. Did you so easily forget YOUR CONSPIRACIES WHICH YOU KEEP REITERATING. Here's your piece of shit that you threw, just like your 100% of all other shits –

    "I am v glad H S you too my bait …exposing you ARE a Muslim barbarian here to fuel the fire of Hindu-Sikh strife. "

    Keep up the work to prove the actual GENUINE DESIRE (?) of Hindus present on this site to discuss.

    P.S: You lied, just like other cheap Hindus, that you don't live in Canada. However you are so dumb that you leave the imprints of your cheap lies. Do you remember this link given by you?
    http://books.google.ca/books?id=EWlHPAkjBKUC&….

    Dumbs like you would go to the google's canadian website (google.ca) if you don't stay in Canada, to search just as you have done by providing this link.

    You know what, your neo-nazi RSS' inspired character is not just that you will not be believed by anyone, but that you don't believe anyone!!!!

  21. Sher says:

    Puttar Haroon,

    i do not have to lie about living in Canada. why the hell would i deny that i live in such a beautiful country as Canada? that is ridiculous.

    as far as that link is concerned, i do not remember giving any link about 'dancing Shiva'. can you name the thread where I ALLEGEDLY :) gave that link?

    whats wrong with you Haroon?

    Sher

  22. H S says:

    @ Sher: That link is in "Liberation or Racism?" post. The first page of comments has that link.

    How funny it is that for matters you spoke so confidently and assertively, and now you forgot what link you provided to support your claims.

  23. Sher says:

    they can be sure that it is actually a 'Rakesh Gupta' or a 'Sunil Sharma' pretending to be a Singh"

    conspiracy theories. 'They' are out to get you Dosanjh, quick get back into your basement and switch off all the lights. live in darkness.

    here we have two sides of a coin lakhvir and Dosanjh.

    lakhvir (just my humble opinion) is spot on with his observation about the "petty issue". How a community can get worked up so much (Akal Takht and political parties getting involved!!!) over such a trivial matter is beyond my comprehension.

    Now they want Akal Takht to 'punish' the show judge!! Someone reminded of the Aurangzeb days? would there be a Hukamnama from Akal Takht BANNING the ban on five-year olds (just Sikhs, no other community) brandishing swords?

    Just one simple question, who takes responsibility if that five-year-old gets hurt while practicing or performing?

    Why so much paranoia …insecurity?

    Sher

    • H S says:

      "conspiracy theories. 'They' are out to get you Dosanjh, quick get back into your basement and switch off all the lights. live in darkness. "

      Look pot calling the kettle black. Sher you are one big time hypocrite I must say. Did you so easily forget YOUR CONSPIRACIES WHICH YOU KEEP REITERATING. Here's your piece of shit that you threw, just like your 100% of all other shits –

      "I am v glad H S you too my bait …exposing you ARE a Muslim barbarian here to fuel the fire of Hindu-Sikh strife. "

      Keep up the work to prove the actual GENUINE DESIRE (?) of Hindus present on this site to discuss.

      P.S: You lied, just like other cheap Hindus, that you don't live in Canada. However you are so dumb that you leave the imprints of your cheap lies. Do you remember this link given by you?
      http://books.google.ca/books?id=EWlHPAkjBKUC&….

      Dumbs like you would go to the google's canadian website (google.ca) if you don't stay in Canada, to search just as you have done by providing this link.

      You know what, your neo-nazi RSS' inspired character is not just that you will not be believed by anyone, but that you don't believe anyone!!!!

      • Sher says:

        @ H S

        Harooon haroooon harooooonya!!!

        I was quoting someone and the link you are blabbering about was one of the citations given by the writer.

        Hahahaha

        how dumb these terrorism loving sickos are…amazing. no wonder khalistan movement lost steam so quickly ;) no guts no brains only paki daddies got the bloody movement alive for khali fat bottoms.

        moot di jhag , that is how they describe khalistani movement HERE in punjab.

  24. Sher says:

    Puttar Haroon,

    i do not have to lie about living in Canada. why the hell would i deny that i live in such a beautiful country as Canada? that is ridiculous.

    as far as that link is concerned, i do not remember giving any link about 'dancing Shiva'. can you name the thread where I ALLEGEDLY :) gave that link?

    whats wrong with you Haroon?

    Sher

  25. H S says:

    @ Sher: That link is in "Liberation or Racism?" post. The first page of comments has that link.

    How funny it is that for matters you spoke so confidently and assertively, and now you forgot what link you provided to support your claims.

  26. Ajj Kaim Singh says:

    It is just a show trying to attract audience by creating controversies. Unfortunately the "Talent" happened to be performance of Gatka. We have established that everyone has a right to their opinion. My two cents on the whole situation is SGPC should take up the matter of food grains rotting in Punjab with the government and spend the resources in doing something for the people rather than continuing the useless controversy by asking Sajid Khan to apologize.

  27. Ajj Kaim Singh says:

    It is just a show trying to attract audience by creating controversies. Unfortunately the "Talent" happened to be performance of Gatka. We have established that everyone has a right to their opinion. My two cents on the whole situation is SGPC should take up the matter of food grains rotting in Punjab with the government and spend the resources in doing something for the people rather than continuing the useless controversy by asking Sajid Khan to apologize.

  28. Amrit says:

    CRINGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  29. Amrit says:

    CRINGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  30. Gurpreet says:

    I agree with Sajid completeley. It is a question of safety and messaging.

  31. Gurpreet says:

    I agree with Sajid completeley. It is a question of safety and messaging.

  32. Dosanjh says:

    "here we have two sides of a coin lakhvir and Dosanjh"
    ———————————————————————–
    ^ No, Sher. Me and Lakhvir are on the same side of the coin ; We are both Sikhs. YOIU, on the other hand, and a couple of others here, are the other side of the coin ; Hindus on a Sikh forum trying to lecture Sikhs about Sikhism.
    I have no idea what this particular story is about. Its got a rather unattractive fat bird pointing her finger up…..none of which makes me wanna click and hear what she's got to say. My comment was about the comment made by the Rakesh Gupta / Sunil Sharma fella masqerarding on this forum as a certain 'Rajinder Singh Virk' . I found it interesting how, in his intense heat of his hatred of Sikhs, he forgot for one moment who he was pretending to be and started referring to sikhs as "You"…"them"…."they" and even a "sect" rather than a religion in its own right. You'll like him Sher. He's on your side of the coin.

    • Sher says:

      My side of coin have too many 'sikhs' Dosanjh. anyone opposing mindless violence has to be on my side. Anyone rejecting terrorism and those spewing hatred is on my side. that means overwhelming majority of sikhs too.

      as far as your claim about 'Sikh forum' is concerned, i asked one of the forum administrators whether I, a Hindu-born, could comment on this forum and the answer was very clear, and welcoming, YES.

      Insecure morons like you love to muzzle free speech and are also trying to make Sikhism an inclusive faith. your sectarian thinking and casteism responsible for exodus from Sikhi which is becoming torrent from a small stream.

      and yes as far as that 'fat bird' is concerned, SHE IS A SIKHNI NAMED KIRON THAKUR SINGH

      Sher

      • H S says:

        @ Sher: So what? SHE WAS A SIKH YOU DUMB ASS. NOW SHE'S MARRIED TO A HINDU, THUS FURTHERING YOUR SANATAN DHARMA PARIVAR.

        Sher, you and your fellow Hindu Nationalists are like the men who would murder both their parents, and then plead for mercy on the grounds that they're an orphan.

        "Insecure morons like you love to muzzle free speech.."
        Yeah, your Hindu Nationalists have great respect for free speech that is why they would charge any one asking for Khalistan, permissible under constitution, with sedition charges. This is how HINDU RULE IS RUN, DAMN BE THE LAWS. See these links below
        http://www.hindustantimes.com/Khalistan-ideologuehttp://www.milligazette.com/Archives/2005/01-15Ju

        You are so dumb ass who will continue being dumb with no shame and yet be confident about your statements which have no place in your fellow Hindu Nationalists' lexicon. Do you actually live in India? The first and the last thing your Hindu family must have taught you is to lie with sincerity if you wanna achieve something, and so does the rest of the Hindus in India – as a result of which you people have made India what it is today. MERA BHARAT MAHAN, SAU MEIN SE…… !!!!

  33. Dosanjh says:

    "here we have two sides of a coin lakhvir and Dosanjh"
    ———————————————————————–
    ^ No, Sher. Me and Lakhvir are on the same side of the coin ; We are both Sikhs. YOIU, on the other hand, and a couple of others here, are the other side of the coin ; Hindus on a Sikh forum trying to lecture Sikhs about Sikhism.
    I have no idea what this particular story is about. Its got a rather unattractive fat bird pointing her finger up…..none of which makes me wanna click and hear what she's got to say. My comment was about the comment made by the Rakesh Gupta / Sunil Sharma fella masqerarding on this forum as a certain 'Rajinder Singh Virk' . I found it interesting how, in his intense heat of his hatred of Sikhs, he forgot for one moment who he was pretending to be and started referring to sikhs as "You"…"them"…."they" and even a "sect" rather than a religion in its own right. You'll like him Sher. He's on your side of the coin.

    • Sher says:

      My side of coin have too many 'sikhs' Dosanjh. anyone opposing mindless violence has to be on my side. Anyone rejecting terrorism and those spewing hatred is on my side. that means overwhelming majority of sikhs too.

      as far as your claim about 'Sikh forum' is concerned, i asked one of the forum administrators whether I, a Hindu-born, could comment on this forum and the answer was very clear, and welcoming, YES.

      Insecure morons like you love to muzzle free speech and are also trying to make Sikhism an inclusive faith. your sectarian thinking and casteism responsible for exodus from Sikhi which is becoming torrent from a small stream.

      and yes as far as that 'fat bird' is concerned, SHE IS A SIKHNI NAMED KIRON THAKUR SINGH

      Sher

      • H S says:

        @ Sher: So what? SHE WAS A SIKH YOU DUMB ASS. NOW SHE'S MARRIED TO A HINDU, THUS FURTHERING YOUR SANATAN DHARMA PARIVAR.

        Sher, you and your fellow Hindu Nationalists are like the men who would murder both their parents, and then plead for mercy on the grounds that they're an orphan.

        "Insecure morons like you love to muzzle free speech.."
        Yeah, your Hindu Nationalists have great respect for free speech that is why they would charge any one asking for Khalistan, permissible under constitution, with sedition charges. This is how HINDU RULE IS RUN, DAMN BE THE LAWS. See these links below
        http://www.hindustantimes.com/Khalistan-ideologuehttp://www.milligazette.com/Archives/2005/01-15Ju

        You are so dumb ass who will continue being dumb with no shame and yet be confident about your statements which have no place in your fellow Hindu Nationalists' lexicon. Do you actually live in India? The first and the last thing your Hindu family must have taught you is to lie with sincerity if you wanna achieve something, and so does the rest of the Hindus in India – as a result of which you people have made India what it is today. MERA BHARAT MAHAN, SAU MEIN SE…… !!!!

  34. iSingh says:

    @Dosanjh @RSV
    I am hesitant to post any personal comments but as a follow up on Dosanjh's theory, I could not but help noticing – RSV who claimed himself to be an 80+ year old retired Punjab Police dude using "lol :-)"

    I am LOL. I hope he is what he claims to be.

  35. iSingh says:

    @Dosanjh @RSV
    I am hesitant to post any personal comments but as a follow up on Dosanjh's theory, I could not but help noticing – RSV who claimed himself to be an 80+ year old retired Punjab Police dude using "lol :-)"

    I am LOL. I hope he is what he claims to be.

  36. RajinderSinghVirk says:

    @ iSingh,thanx for noticing but I am what I claim to be,I live in stockton,ca and I am enjoying my fading years as best I can.As for using "lol":-) I learnt it from a much younger grand niece,to be truthful it is kinda cute.There's nothing wrong in being young at heart & mind although the body is getting older,there are couple of other dudes (as u put it) of my age here & we all enjoy & make the best of it ,rather than just living in the past & wallowing in it.

  37. RajinderSinghVirk says:

    @ iSingh,thanx for noticing but I am what I claim to be,I live in stockton,ca and I am enjoying my fading years as best I can.As for using "lol":-) I learnt it from a much younger grand niece,to be truthful it is kinda cute.There's nothing wrong in being young at heart & mind although the body is getting older,there are couple of other dudes (as u put it) of my age here & we all enjoy & make the best of it ,rather than just living in the past & wallowing in it.

  38. iSingh says:

    @RSV
    I am impressed. I wish the same technophilicity for others of your generation.

  39. iSingh says:

    @RSV
    I am impressed. I wish the same technophilicity for others of your generation.

  40. Roop says:

    My View is simple

    I agree with Sajid that Kids should not be taught viiolence
    That said..This is a show,for entertainment, and this was an act for the show

    Also it is a form of Martial Art ( Gatka being the display part of Shastar Vidya), and there are Chinese Shaolin Monks being bought up in the same way, so the troupe and Kiran are also correct..

    turning this into 40 posts of anger is silly..its a show, and Sajid merely stated his opinion and Kiran rebuked it..that is Democracy…the only good habit of the west we should absorb, not the drugs, rap and all that nonsense..

  41. Roop says:

    My View is simple

    I agree with Sajid that Kids should not be taught viiolence
    That said..This is a show,for entertainment, and this was an act for the show

    Also it is a form of Martial Art ( Gatka being the display part of Shastar Vidya), and there are Chinese Shaolin Monks being bought up in the same way, so the troupe and Kiran are also correct..

    turning this into 40 posts of anger is silly..its a show, and Sajid merely stated his opinion and Kiran rebuked it..that is Democracy…the only good habit of the west we should absorb, not the drugs, rap and all that nonsense..

  42. khalsa lakhvir singh says:

    lets not discuss this matter anymore .. its hurts to see people fight over opinions (especially one which is so issueless in the first place) .. lets respect all and accept all as they are .. only then can we call change for the better ..

  43. khalsa lakhvir singh says:

    lets not discuss this matter anymore .. its hurts to see people fight over opinions (especially one which is so issueless in the first place) .. lets respect all and accept all as they are .. only then can we call change for the better ..

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