Spate of Shootings involving Sikhs?

With so few details, it may be premature to begin writing some thoughts, but that hasnt really stopped me before.

Although each incident has its own genesis, with the recent spate of shootings this week, a discussion forum is needed. First I begin with an analysis of various Indian media coverage and then shift to a broader discussion then just the two events.

The first takes us to the widely-reported happenings, involving the Dera Sacha Sauda. The incident and various analyses have been given ample space here in The Langar Hall, yet the story continues. The press headlines return again. From various news websites, we hear Dera follower shot dead in Punjab.

It is interesting to note the importance of Sikh media outlets. In the article written by the Press Trust of India, we learn no details of the assassinated:

Police said, the deceased identified as Lilly Kumar, who was in his late thirties and a resident of village Alampur Mandra, around 200 kilometers from here, was shot dead by four unidentified assailants near the sect office in Mansa when he was returning after a court hearing to his village, police said.[link]

The always (or at least usually) stupid Times of India at least provides us some context:

According to police sources, Kumar had some disputes in the past with some other religious groups in his village. In September 2007, his house in the village was set on fire and the case was still pending in the court.[link]

However, as will be seen next, the details left out are even more revealing.

It is finally on in the World Sikh News article that we learn more about Lilly Kumar.

He had organised a naam charcha (religious discourse) at his house in the village despite objections. As Sikhs of the area arrived to stop the function, Lilli Kumar allegedly threw acid on them. A case under Sections 307, 148, 149 and 324 of the IPC was then registered against him and others at Boha police station. Fourteen persons had been injured in the clash that followed. A large number of followers of the dera have been repeatedly involved in attacks against the Sikhs because of the communitys objections to activities of the dera head who is already a rape and murder accused in a case being investigated by the CBI. The dera head had blatantly tried to imitate the Sikh gurus and has refused to apologise, rather making a mockery of such demands with half-apologies.[link]

Context, context, contextsuch is the need for better media outlets for the Sikh community and proper investigative journalism.

All newspapers have reported that many followers of the DSS have come to the hospital of the deceased and the possibility of further conflagration is high.

The second shooting has not resulted in a death, at least at this stage, but in some ways is more significant. It has been reported in Patiala, that a head of the RSS, the well-known fascist organization, – its Sikh chapter president was shot in his store.

According to police sources two persons came to Rulda Singhs Shop cum flat at Grain Market around 10. 30 PM and they opened fire upon him and ran away on a car waiting outside. Atleast one person was waiting in the car, sources said.

Rulda Singh was found in pond of blood by his son and immediately taken to Local Rajindra hospital from where he was shifted to PGI Chandigarh. Sources said that one bullet hit on his neck through nose and one or two bullets were hit in the chest, sources said.[link]

While it may be way too early to blame Sikhs and Sikh groups for these two shootings, it has not stopped the media from suggesting it.

Still maybe there needs to be a discussion. In no way do I support these groups. I also understand the meaning of individual rebellious action. However, as a community, when we are always ready to speak the language of violence with our enemies, we also become too quick to speak the same language with one another.


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43 Responses to “Spate of Shootings involving Sikhs?”

  1. Harinder says:

    Punjab has alway been a battle ground only the armies keep on changing.

    Today is the story of "SAINT SOLDIERS".

    They have in their genetic make up of

    1) The epic battles described in the Mahabharata were fought in the Punjab.

    2)In 326 BCE, Alexander the Great invaded the Punjab from the north and incorporated it into his empire

    3)At 305bc the area was divided among the Maurya Empire and the Greco-Bactrian Kingdom.

    4)Greek ruling came to an end after several invasions by the Yuezhi and the Scythian people, at around 12bc.

    5)The Yuezhis formed the Kushan Empire which lasted in the area until about 230ad, giving place to the Indo-Sassanid kingdom,

    6)They were in turn displaced in 410 CE by the invasions of the Indo-Hephthalites(Huna people).

    7) Arab attacks in the mid 600s. In a series of events, century after century, the Sultanate and then the Moghul era came in the area.

    8)In 1713, Banda Singh Bahadur wanted to establish a multi-cultural state in the Punjab

    9)In 1756, the Marathas under Raghunath Rao, with the help of Sikhs, managed to stop the Afghan Ahmed Shah Abdali

    10)At the formation of the Dal Khalsa in 1748 at Amritsar, the Punjab had been divided into 36 areas and 12 separate Sikh principalities. From this point onwards the beginnings of a Punjabi Sikh Empire emerged under Mahraja Ranjit Singh.

    11)The British Raj had political, cultural, philosophical and literary consequences in the Punjab, including the establishment of a new system of education.

    See also the TIMELINE at this site
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punjab_region

  2. Harinder says:

    Punjab has alway been a battle ground only the armies keep on changing.
    Today is the story of “SAINT SOLDIERS”.
    They have in their genetic make up of

    1) The epic battles described in the Mahabharata were fought in the Punjab.
    2)In 326 BCE, Alexander the Great invaded the Punjab from the north and incorporated it into his empire
    3)At 305bc the area was divided among the Maurya Empire and the Greco-Bactrian Kingdom.
    4)Greek ruling came to an end after several invasions by the Yuezhi and the Scythian people, at around 12bc.
    5)The Yuezhis formed the Kushan Empire which lasted in the area until about 230ad, giving place to the Indo-Sassanid kingdom,
    6)They were in turn displaced in 410 CE by the invasions of the Indo-Hephthalites(Huna people).
    7) Arab attacks in the mid 600s. In a series of events, century after century, the Sultanate and then the Moghul era came in the area.
    8)In 1713, Banda Singh Bahadur wanted to establish a multi-cultural state in the Punjab
    9)In 1756, the Marathas under Raghunath Rao, with the help of Sikhs, managed to stop the Afghan Ahmed Shah Abdali
    10)At the formation of the Dal Khalsa in 1748 at Amritsar, the Punjab had been divided into 36 areas and 12 separate Sikh principalities. From this point onwards the beginnings of a Punjabi Sikh Empire emerged under Mahraja Ranjit Singh.
    11)The British Raj had political, cultural, philosophical and literary consequences in the Punjab, including the establishment of a new system of education.

    See also the TIMELINE at this site
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punjab_region

  3. somebody says:

    I am not a dera follower and a believer in Dera's and these days pretty much an athiest.

    However, I want to point out some hypocrisy I am seeing here.

    Sikhs have claiming religious discrimination (India, France) on various issues (Turban issue etc). They demand the right for religious freedom and identity.

    However, why can't give the same religious freedom to the Dera followers?

    Why have a problem when somone wants to some kind "naamcharcha" in his own house?

    How would you feel if hindus started attacking Sikhs for worshipping in their own homes?

  4. somebody says:

    I am not a dera follower and a believer in Dera’s and these days pretty much an athiest.

    However, I want to point out some hypocrisy I am seeing here.
    Sikhs have claiming religious discrimination (India, France) on various issues (Turban issue etc). They demand the right for religious freedom and identity.

    However, why can’t give the same religious freedom to the Dera followers?
    Why have a problem when somone wants to some kind “naamcharcha” in his own house?
    How would you feel if hindus started attacking Sikhs for worshipping in their own homes?

  5. Harinder says:

    Hindus have already attacked Sikhs on several occasions.

    So this is a silly threat.

  6. Harinder says:

    Hindus have already attacked Sikhs on several occasions.
    So this is a silly threat.

  7. Narinder Singh says:

    why can’t give the same religious freedom to the Dera followers?

    The deras do have freedom and Sikh community is by and large a big hearted community. For eg. Radhasoamis and others have been using Gurbani as the base but propagating their own heads as supreme. Sikhs never raided their deras so to speak. And there are plethora of them. Using the Gurbani only, with no content of their own. I hope you can distinguish between Guru's wisdom and these heads.

    Its only when things like what Nirankaris did in 1978, gross beadbi of Guru Sahib, that Sikhs come to protest. I think thats justified.

  8. Narinder Singh says:

    why cant give the same religious freedom to the Dera followers?

    The deras do have freedom and Sikh community is by and large a big hearted community. For eg. Radhasoamis and others have been using Gurbani as the base but propagating their own heads as supreme. Sikhs never raided their deras so to speak. And there are plethora of them. Using the Gurbani only, with no content of their own. I hope you can distinguish between Guru’s wisdom and these heads.

    Its only when things like what Nirankaris did in 1978, gross beadbi of Guru Sahib, that Sikhs come to protest. I think thats justified.

  9. vaibhav says:

    Well lolz Mr Jodha for using your brilliant language skills to hide the acts of miscreants with such irrelevant logics.

    There seems to be gross human right violation in Punjab and innocent dera followers are being killed just in the name of hatred against dera sacha sauda. I don't know which religion teaches that.

    I don't know which religion preaches that if somebody follows your religion then its ok otherwise don't let anybody(especially dera followers) else follows his/her religion even in his own house.(It follows from the fact that Dera followers are not allowed even to hold naam charchas in their houses what to say about other places.) What a pity on SECULAR India? I think such zero tolerance attitude towards other sects is being propagated by Taliban in Afganistan and against dera followers by sikh extremists in Punjab.

  10. Harinder says:

    Punjab has so many religions flourishing

    Hindus

    Muslims

    Christians

    Jains

    Radhasoamis

    Arya Smajis

    Noormahalis

    Ravidass

    All are freely worshiping and propogating their faiths in a fearless manner.

    Will Taliban allow any of these religions to rpopogate in Afghanistan?

    So your comparision is wrong

  11. vaibhav says:

    Well lolz Mr Jodha for using your brilliant language skills to hide the acts of miscreants with such irrelevant logics.
    There seems to be gross human right violation in Punjab and innocent dera followers are being killed just in the name of hatred against dera sacha sauda. I don’t know which religion teaches that.
    I don’t know which religion preaches that if somebody follows your religion then its ok otherwise don’t let anybody(especially dera followers) else follows his/her religion even in his own house.(It follows from the fact that Dera followers are not allowed even to hold naam charchas in their houses what to say about other places.) What a pity on SECULAR India? I think such zero tolerance attitude towards other sects is being propagated by Taliban in Afganistan and against dera followers by sikh extremists in Punjab.

  12. vaibhav says:

    @harinder

    and what about dera sacha sauda?

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  14. Harinder says:

    Punjab has so many religions flourishing

    Hindus
    Muslims
    Christians
    Jains
    Radhasoamis
    Arya Smajis
    Noormahalis
    Ravidass

    All are freely worshiping and propogating their faiths in a fearless manner.
    Will Taliban allow any of these religions to rpopogate in Afghanistan?
    So your comparision is wrong

  15. vaibhav says:

    @harinder
    and what about dera sacha sauda?

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  17. Harinder says:

    Vaibhav

    Akal mand ko ishara hi kafi hai

  18. vaibhav says:

    aree! arree!! Akal Band shayad abhi bhi mera reply nahi samajh paye hain.Waheguru ji inhe sumati bakshein.

  19. Harinder says:

    Vaibhav

    Akal mand ko ishara hi kafi hai

  20. vaibhav says:

    aree! arree!! Akal Band shayad abhi bhi mera reply nahi samajh paye hain.Waheguru ji inhe sumati bakshein.

  21. Dinesh says:

    I think sikh community (not all but some religious groups)is the most aggressive community in india and a big danger for communal harmony of our beloved country.

  22. Dinesh says:

    I think sikh community (not all but some religious groups)is the most aggressive community in india and a big danger for communal harmony of our beloved country.

  23. Harinder says:

    Who are really aggressive in India

    1)1984 killings of Sikhs :- 3100 Sikhs were killed
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_anti-Sikh_riots

    2)Godhara killngs :- 1044 people were killed in the violence – 790 Muslims and 254 Hindus
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Gujarat_violenc

    3)Kashmiri Pundits are virually extinct in their home land :-

    the Kashmiri Pandit population in Jammu and Kashmir dropped from 15 percent in 1941 to 0.1 percent as of 2006
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashmiri_Pandit

    4) Naga Insurgency

    30000 indian loss and 4000 naga loss
    http://www.onwar.com/aced/data/november/nagaland1

    5)ULFA killings
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Liberation_Fr

    6) Orissa Killing of Christians :-90 people, mostly Christians, died
    http://www.ucanews.com/2009/07/24/orissa-christia

  24. Harinder says:

    Who are really aggressive in India

    1)1984 killings of Sikhs :- 3100 Sikhs were killed
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_anti-Sikh_riots

    2)Godhara killngs :- 1044 people were killed in the violence – 790 Muslims and 254 Hindus
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Gujarat_violence

    3)Kashmiri Pundits are virually extinct in their home land :-
    the Kashmiri Pandit population in Jammu and Kashmir dropped from 15 percent in 1941 to 0.1 percent as of 2006
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashmiri_Pandit

    4) Naga Insurgency
    30000 indian loss and 4000 naga loss
    http://www.onwar.com/aced/data/november/nagaland1954.htm

    5)ULFA killings
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Liberation_Front_of_Asom

    6) Orissa Killing of Christians :-90 people, mostly Christians, died
    http://www.ucanews.com/2009/07/24/orissa-christians-want-to-forgive-and-forget/

  25. ..And what about the violent Hindu mobs that murdered 1000s of Sikhs in Delhi in 1984, the 1992 destruction of the Mosque in Ayodyia by Hindus and the murders of Muslims in Gujarat in 2003….all by the Hindus !!!

    Get your facts right about your beloved country !!

  26. ..And what about the violent Hindu mobs that murdered 1000s of Sikhs in Delhi in 1984, the 1992 destruction of the Mosque in Ayodyia by Hindus and the murders of Muslims in Gujarat in 2003….all by the Hindus !!!
    Get your facts right about your beloved country !!

  27. indian sikh and prou says:

    i would like to ask the admin to start a debate about a muslim religious scholar Dr Zakir Naik who i would say is the aurangzeb of 21st century but a lot clever then aurangzeb because he is justifying everything about islam and trying to say everything bad he can about all other religions openly but in a very clever way.that guy is the biggest threat to all other religions at the moment and someone need to raise the voice today otherwise it will be too late tomorrow.please this is a request too the admin to debate on this guy whose clips are on you tube especially a clip where a granthi saheb ask him a question and dr naiks reply is just stupid.thanks

  28. indian sikh and proud of it says:

    i would like to ask the admin to start a debate about a muslim religious scholar Dr Zakir Naik who i would say is the aurangzeb of 21st century but a lot clever then aurangzeb because he is justifying everything about islam and trying to say everything bad he can about all other religions openly but in a very clever way.that guy is the biggest threat to all other religions at the moment and someone need to raise the voice today otherwise it will be too late tomorrow.please this is a request too the admin to debate on this guy whose clips are on you tube especially a clip where a granthi saheb ask him a question and dr naiks reply is just stupid.thanks

  29. Country_First says:

    Mr. Harinder its real that you are not trying to understand that what all others are saying here.. you are just biased towards sikhs but not thinking like a countryman.. no body here trying to justify that whatever happened to sikhs in past was right.. but you know that a common man never initiate the riots and never get involved in such riots.. its just some top leaders or some clever minded and cunning people those who are closed to the politians or some powerful peoples ,provoke some lost path young bloods.. to initiate such incidents..and they themself never got hurt in such riots only common man dies in these riots whether they are hindu or sikh..and such people just see drama from behind the scene… and fly away after initiating fire among peoples… i ask u… do u think a daily common man.. who is so much busy in his daily life so much that even he don't have time to see face of his family members can be involved in such riots.. never… and like those here you are just trying to provoke your community people.

    But harinder atleast i can smell that you are here trying to justify the attrocities being done by some misguided sikhs (actually i should not say them sikh at all as i know what sikh religion teaches so they cant be sikhs) on Dera Sacha Sauda followers by giving some examples from past.. you can not justify any incident of such attrocity by giving examples of pasts.

    Any one who do so.. whether he is Hindu..Sikh.. Muslim… Christian..or anyone, has no right say that he belongs to any religion if he is involved in any such activity (like killing inocents on the name of religions.). Its just ridiclous..and i would say any such person who say himself religious after killling any HUMAN the most revered creation of god is just a hypocrite and devil. thats all.

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  31. Country_First says:

    Mr. Harinder its real that you are not trying to understand that what all others are saying here.. you are just biased towards sikhs but not thinking like a countryman.. no body here trying to justify that whatever happened to sikhs in past was right.. but you know that a common man never initiate the riots and never get involved in such riots.. its just some top leaders or some clever minded and cunning people those who are closed to the politians or some powerful peoples ,provoke some lost path young bloods.. to initiate such incidents..and they themself never got hurt in such riots only common man dies in these riots whether they are hindu or sikh..and such people just see drama from behind the scene… and fly away after initiating fire among peoples… i ask u… do u think a daily common man.. who is so much busy in his daily life so much that even he don’t have time to see face of his family members can be involved in such riots.. never… and like those here you are just trying to provoke your community people.

    But harinder atleast i can smell that you are here trying to justify the attrocities being done by some misguided sikhs (actually i should not say them sikh at all as i know what sikh religion teaches so they cant be sikhs) on Dera Sacha Sauda followers by giving some examples from past.. you can not justify any incident of such attrocity by giving examples of pasts.

    Any one who do so.. whether he is Hindu..Sikh.. Muslim… Christian..or anyone, has no right say that he belongs to any religion if he is involved in any such activity (like killing inocents on the name of religions.). Its just ridiclous..and i would say any such person who say himself religious after killling any HUMAN the most revered creation of god is just a hypocrite and devil. thats all.

  32. Sarabjit Singh says:

    DSS followers are not being attacked but rather there have been clashes between them and Sikhs at various places due to the anti-Sikh statements being made by the DSS and its followers. DSS is headed by a person accused of numerous counts of rape and murder. DSS is also involved in various cases of land grabing in and around Sirsa. DSS is running a big racket by fooling innocent followers and leveraging their votes to further their interests and seek protection from the politicians. DSS is not a religion but a scam being perpetrated by a bunch of criminals, assisted by the the likes of Badal and Amrinder who are regulars at the dera.

  33. Sarabjit Singh says:

    DSS followers are not being attacked but rather there have been clashes between them and Sikhs at various places due to the anti-Sikh statements being made by the DSS and its followers. DSS is headed by a person accused of numerous counts of rape and murder. DSS is also involved in various cases of land grabing in and around Sirsa. DSS is running a big racket by fooling innocent followers and leveraging their votes to further their interests and seek protection from the politicians. DSS is not a religion but a scam being perpetrated by a bunch of criminals, assisted by the the likes of Badal and Amrinder who are regulars at the dera.

  34. Harinder says:

    I agree that Killings of any one is wrong on any ground.

    Law exists for the guilty who do this henious act.

    See to it that justice should be done equally for all Indians and no one is above the law.

  35. Harinder says:

    I agree that Killings of any one is wrong on any ground.
    Law exists for the guilty who do this henious act.
    See to it that justice should be done equally for all Indians and no one is above the law.

  36. Country_First says:

    Mr. Sarabjit Singh.. if somebody attacks you and in response of that attack if you counter-attack then you cant give it name of clash.. clash is that where both clashing parties know premeturely that we are going to clash.. but in none of the incident. it was known to dera followers that they are going to be attacked by some misguided people( i don't wanna to say them sikhs) when they were doing prayers peacefully in their homes.. and every time they were forced and pulled into clash because they were going to be attacked by those people and they just attacked in response because.. they were doing it in self defence. And its first right of every citizen to do self defence.

    Tell me any incident where sikhs were attacked by Dera Followers when sikh were holding their religious programmes in open or at their homes. None of such incident is there.. but opposite to that there are hundred of incidents when it happens to Dera followers.

    It was more than shameful.. when in some of the incidents at some places, Dera followers were even banned from cremating their families persons dead bodies… It was in news.. it was in news paper .. it was on internet… if you have any doubt on such incidents.. and even the police did nothing in such cases because police was under pressure. I want to know from which angel it is the task of bravery.. for your so called brave community.

    And if u say that Dera is doing any big racket by fooling innocent folowers.. then why more and more number of people are joining Dera rather than leaving it. Because according to you its just old followers who are being made fool.. then tell me why new people will joining it if there is something wrong.. because if previously thousand of people were joining it per month…then now lacks of people joing dera per month, and its not fake.. its true.. if you are a person who live on ground realities rather than rumours.

    And opposite to it.. what is happening in your community.. rather then accepting new peoples in your community.. you are running away your current community members on the name of cast,creed .. money.. and status.. otherwise as much as i know.. there is no place for castism in Sikh Religion.. but today.. there are seprate Gurudwaras on the base of cast.. tell me why it is so. Rather than saying bad to anybodies home first improve and reform your own home.. then you have right to pointing fingers on others but even that is not allowed by sikh gurus.. because your gurbani says.. that a person should never say bad to anyone..

    Kabira Sab se hum Bure hum taj bura na koi…

    Jin aisa kar janiya Das hamara Soi.

    But if u have read any other or seprate gurbani.. then i have doubt that you are true sikh or not.

    And i dont about what anti-sikh statement you are talking.. but tell me is this not biggest anti-sikh by your own person (Click and Read this News). And dont try to compsentate by eqating it with any other incident of hindu, muslims, jains, christians.. or any other religion because i am asking about your sovereignity… not about bad deeds of others… tell me if it is sikhism from any point of view. And the same things were repeated with Dera Followers.. by you so called brave community.. Click here if you dont believe and it is just once incident there were many such incidents.. If you have read in this news.. look your self what is your way of folding people to your faith. They were asked the deceased's family to convert to Sikhism and accept siropa before allowing them access to the cremation ground.

    You can have enmity with living peoples but there seems to be no limit.. even dead people were not forgiven and didnt get their part of 4 feet ground where they can live peacefully..

    Completely shameless.. is this allowed in SIKH RELIGION… TELL ME. Dont tell me hows are others.. but tell me HOWS ARE YOU.

    If this is sikhism.. and not anti-sikh.. then i dont know what is anti-sikh.. it is completely against the teaching of your 10 gurus.. they will be repenting on all of you in SACHKHAND.

  37. Country_First says:

    Mr. Sarabjit Singh.. if somebody attacks you and in response of that attack if you counter-attack then you cant give it name of clash.. clash is that where both clashing parties know premeturely that we are going to clash.. but in none of the incident. it was known to dera followers that they are going to be attacked by some misguided people( i don’t wanna to say them sikhs) when they were doing prayers peacefully in their homes.. and every time they were forced and pulled into clash because they were going to be attacked by those people and they just attacked in response because.. they were doing it in self defence. And its first right of every citizen to do self defence.

    Tell me any incident where sikhs were attacked by Dera Followers when sikh were holding their religious programmes in open or at their homes. None of such incident is there.. but opposite to that there are hundred of incidents when it happens to Dera followers.

    It was more than shameful.. when in some of the incidents at some places, Dera followers were even banned from cremating their families persons dead bodies… It was in news.. it was in news paper .. it was on internet… if you have any doubt on such incidents.. and even the police did nothing in such cases because police was under pressure. I want to know from which angel it is the task of bravery.. for your so called brave community.

    And if u say that Dera is doing any big racket by fooling innocent folowers.. then why more and more number of people are joining Dera rather than leaving it. Because according to you its just old followers who are being made fool.. then tell me why new people will joining it if there is something wrong.. because if previously thousand of people were joining it per month…then now lacks of people joing dera per month, and its not fake.. its true.. if you are a person who live on ground realities rather than rumours.

    And opposite to it.. what is happening in your community.. rather then accepting new peoples in your community.. you are running away your current community members on the name of cast,creed .. money.. and status.. otherwise as much as i know.. there is no place for castism in Sikh Religion.. but today.. there are seprate Gurudwaras on the base of cast.. tell me why it is so. Rather than saying bad to anybodies home first improve and reform your own home.. then you have right to pointing fingers on others but even that is not allowed by sikh gurus.. because your gurbani says.. that a person should never say bad to anyone..

    Kabira Sab se hum Bure hum taj bura na koi…
    Jin aisa kar janiya Das hamara Soi.

    But if u have read any other or seprate gurbani.. then i have doubt that you are true sikh or not.

    And i dont about what anti-sikh statement you are talking.. but tell me is this not biggest anti-sikh by your own person (Click and Read this News). And dont try to compsentate by eqating it with any other incident of hindu, muslims, jains, christians.. or any other religion because i am asking about your sovereignity… not about bad deeds of others… tell me if it is sikhism from any point of view. And the same things were repeated with Dera Followers.. by you so called brave community.. Click here if you dont believe and it is just once incident there were many such incidents.. If you have read in this news.. look your self what is your way of folding people to your faith. They were asked the deceased’s family to convert to Sikhism and accept siropa before allowing them access to the cremation ground.

    You can have enmity with living peoples but there seems to be no limit.. even dead people were not forgiven and didnt get their part of 4 feet ground where they can live peacefully..

    Completely shameless.. is this allowed in SIKH RELIGION… TELL ME. Dont tell me hows are others.. but tell me HOWS ARE YOU.
    If this is sikhism.. and not anti-sikh.. then i dont know what is anti-sikh.. it is completely against the teaching of your 10 gurus.. they will be repenting on all of you in SACHKHAND.

  38. Sarabjit Singh says:

    Dont equate DSS with any religion, be it Hindu, Muslim or Sikhism. DSS is a racket being run by a charlatan who has been accused by his own followers of rape and murder and is currently being tried upon by the CBI. India is full of such thugs who take undue advantage of the naivety of their followers and exploit them financialy and sexually. Gurmeet Ram Rahim is nothing more than a thug.

    Since you are aware of Kabir sahibs bani, you must have read these lines, Santa maano duta daano(I honor and obey the Saints, and punish the wicked).

    Sikhism in Punjab is grapelling with various problems and one of these is caste system. We are brave enough to admit our shortcomings and strive to make ammends.

    Are you brave enough to admit that Gurmeet is an accused murderer and rapist?

  39. Sarabjit Singh says:

    Dont equate DSS with any religion, be it Hindu, Muslim or Sikhism. DSS is a racket being run by a charlatan who has been accused by his own followers of rape and murder and is currently being tried upon by the CBI. India is full of such thugs who take undue advantage of the naivety of their followers and exploit them financialy and sexually. Gurmeet Ram Rahim is nothing more than a thug.
    Since you are aware of Kabir sahibs bani, you must have read these lines, Santa maano duta daano(I honor and obey the Saints, and punish the wicked).
    Sikhism in Punjab is grapelling with various problems and one of these is caste system. We are brave enough to admit our shortcomings and strive to make ammends.
    Are you brave enough to admit that Gurmeet is an accused murderer and rapist?

  40. love is god says:

    After following up all the comments what follows is that common sikh don't have even the slightest idea about the truth of DSS.They have preconceived notions(which they usually get through rumors) about it. DSS has been actively participating in welfare works in many natural calamities and disasters.A few of them are summarized:

    1.Relief to Quake Hit Areas of Gujarat, 2000

    2.Relief to Tsunami hit Areas of Andaman and Nicobar Islands, 2004

    3.Relief to Draught Areas of Rajasthan, 2000-04

    4.Relief work during flood in Bihar,2004.

    5.Relief work for recent landslides in kashmir.

    6.Free Eye Camp held at DSS,Sirsa annually.

    7.Periodical Blood Camps organized for Indian Army,Newmans,Thalisimia Patients and Monthly Blood camps for Blood Banks.Infact Dera Sacha Sauda holds the guiness world record for Most Blood Donation in a single day.

    Such is the legacy of long list of welfare works of Dera Sacha Sauda.

    What amazes me the most is that those who have never been there start talking anything rubbish without verifying the actual facts.

    As far as certain cases are concerned they are being judged in the court of law and we oughtn't deduce any conclusions prior to verdict of court.

  41. love is god says:

    After following up all the comments what follows is that common sikh don’t have even the slightest idea about the truth of DSS.They have preconceived notions(which they usually get through rumors) about it. DSS has been actively participating in welfare works in many natural calamities and disasters.A few of them are summarized:
    1.Relief to Quake Hit Areas of Gujarat, 2000
    2.Relief to Tsunami hit Areas of Andaman and Nicobar Islands, 2004
    3.Relief to Draught Areas of Rajasthan, 2000-04
    4.Relief work during flood in Bihar,2004.
    5.Relief work for recent landslides in kashmir.
    6.Free Eye Camp held at DSS,Sirsa annually.
    7.Periodical Blood Camps organized for Indian Army,Newmans,Thalisimia Patients and Monthly Blood camps for Blood Banks.Infact Dera Sacha Sauda holds the guiness world record for Most Blood Donation in a single day.
    Such is the legacy of long list of welfare works of Dera Sacha Sauda.
    What amazes me the most is that those who have never been there start talking anything rubbish without verifying the actual facts.
    As far as certain cases are concerned they are being judged in the court of law and we oughtn’t deduce any conclusions prior to verdict of court.

  42. Country_First says:

    I am brave enough to admit that nothing is True.. all cases and all allegations are 100% false and it will get prove sooner or later.. not even it will be proved that all this is false, even this will also be proved that who falsly conspirated all this against Dera Sacha Sauda, and all those faces will come in front of whole world who tried to defame Dera Sacha Sauda and on that day you will know that in how much big misconsuption you people were living. Because true saint always create such situations where other people condemn them.. just because they are the only one in this world who have to bear the sins of people on their shoulders..and they do so by condemning themself through any mean.. and history is witness of it. that people condemn Kabir sabhi ji.. in their time.. people condemn Gurunanak Dev ji in their time.. but all of them are revered for all people… just because when truth came in front of world people realized that they were wrong and those saints were true.. all of you sikhs will realize later that you people were wrong and will repent later.. because it is always the case that common people never realize true saints early.. but the time is now not far away when all of this truth will come in front of all world.. and all those people will get punished who did such a heinous work of defaming true saints.

    And i know you people are just jealous because you people cant tolerate that even after defaming so much to Dera Sacha Sauda ,people are still going there as it is and also more no. of people have stated to join Dera Sacha Sauda than previous. Because even newer people are realizing that whatever was said in media or rumours all was wrong.. and there is nothing wrong at all..

    But if you have dare, go to Dera Sacha Sauda then you will realize that why people go there.. and how much peace and happiness they get there.. and then reach at any conclusion.. Always talk on Ground Realities.. dont say anything just because you have to say it..

    But i think you dont have dare to accept any of the truth that i said in my previous comment (because you havent answered any of them with satisfaction, you just said we accept shortcomings, its only you not all .. and even you said just to answer me, because when a person try to counts others faults and dont throw light on personal faults it means something is wrong there…), where i said that your own community people dont give space to cremate your own people.. means sikhs dont give space to sikhs for cremation just due to hatered.. and we DSS followers not even respect our own people even also help others who dont even belong to DSS… because we are taught that we are human first after that we are hindu, sikh or muslim.. but in your religion where your 10 gurus have made a full book to teach you.. but you people dont seems to be following even the one sentence of that holy book (gurbani).

    And you cant justify your wrong deeds by saying that what we did .. that was done against DSS followers so it is right… actually whatever you did .. you did that against HUMANS in simple language.. And there is God inside every HUMAN to which you say WAHEGURU…

    But what i can expect from you… when you people can do so with you own people…

  43. Country_First says:

    I am brave enough to admit that nothing is True.. all cases and all allegations are 100% false and it will get prove sooner or later.. not even it will be proved that all this is false, even this will also be proved that who falsly conspirated all this against Dera Sacha Sauda, and all those faces will come in front of whole world who tried to defame Dera Sacha Sauda and on that day you will know that in how much big misconsuption you people were living. Because true saint always create such situations where other people condemn them.. just because they are the only one in this world who have to bear the sins of people on their shoulders..and they do so by condemning themself through any mean.. and history is witness of it. that people condemn Kabir sabhi ji.. in their time.. people condemn Gurunanak Dev ji in their time.. but all of them are revered for all people… just because when truth came in front of world people realized that they were wrong and those saints were true.. all of you sikhs will realize later that you people were wrong and will repent later.. because it is always the case that common people never realize true saints early.. but the time is now not far away when all of this truth will come in front of all world.. and all those people will get punished who did such a heinous work of defaming true saints.

    And i know you people are just jealous because you people cant tolerate that even after defaming so much to Dera Sacha Sauda ,people are still going there as it is and also more no. of people have stated to join Dera Sacha Sauda than previous. Because even newer people are realizing that whatever was said in media or rumours all was wrong.. and there is nothing wrong at all..

    But if you have dare, go to Dera Sacha Sauda then you will realize that why people go there.. and how much peace and happiness they get there.. and then reach at any conclusion.. Always talk on Ground Realities.. dont say anything just because you have to say it..

    But i think you dont have dare to accept any of the truth that i said in my previous comment (because you havent answered any of them with satisfaction, you just said we accept shortcomings, its only you not all .. and even you said just to answer me, because when a person try to counts others faults and dont throw light on personal faults it means something is wrong there…), where i said that your own community people dont give space to cremate your own people.. means sikhs dont give space to sikhs for cremation just due to hatered.. and we DSS followers not even respect our own people even also help others who dont even belong to DSS… because we are taught that we are human first after that we are hindu, sikh or muslim.. but in your religion where your 10 gurus have made a full book to teach you.. but you people dont seems to be following even the one sentence of that holy book (gurbani).

    And you cant justify your wrong deeds by saying that what we did .. that was done against DSS followers so it is right… actually whatever you did .. you did that against HUMANS in simple language.. And there is God inside every HUMAN to which you say WAHEGURU…

    But what i can expect from you… when you people can do so with you own people…