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		<title>By: Filipino-Indian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Filipino-Indian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 12:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indians are getting killed in large numbers in the Philippines, mostly Sikh and Punjabis, It has become the most dangerous nation  after Iraq for the death rate for Indians by violence.

Here are the news articles

http://www.pcij.org/i-report/2007/indians.html

(documentary on Indians living in fear in the Philippines by Philippine centre for investigative journalism)

 
http://www.gmanews.tv/story/145780/2-more-killed-as-attacks-against-Indians-continue

http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2009/jan/17/yehey/top_stories/20090117top4.html  = read this 
 
http://www.gmanews.tv/story/141787/Indian-national-shot-dead-near-Batangas-market

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/metro-manila/02/09/09/indian-national-kidnapped-bulacan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indians are getting killed in large numbers in the Philippines, mostly Sikh and Punjabis, It has become the most dangerous nation  after Iraq for the death rate for Indians by violence.</p>
<p>Here are the news articles</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pcij.org/i-report/2007/indians.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.pcij.org/i-report/2007/indians.html</a></p>
<p>(documentary on Indians living in fear in the Philippines by Philippine centre for investigative journalism)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.gmanews.tv/story/145780/2-more-killed-as-attacks-against-Indians-continue" rel="nofollow">http://www.gmanews.tv/story/145780/2-more-killed-as-attacks-against-Indians-continue</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2009/jan/17/yehey/top_stories/20090117top4.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2009/jan/17/yehey/top_stories/20090117top4.html</a>  = read this </p>
<p><a href="http://www.gmanews.tv/story/141787/Indian-national-shot-dead-near-Batangas-market" rel="nofollow">http://www.gmanews.tv/story/141787/Indian-national-shot-dead-near-Batangas-market</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/metro-manila/02/09/09/indian-national-kidnapped-bulacan" rel="nofollow">http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/metro-manila/02/09/09/indian-national-kidnapped-bulacan</a></p>
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		<title>By: The Langar Hall &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Sikh MP in NZ and the State of Sikh MPs</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Langar Hall &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Sikh MP in NZ and the State of Sikh MPs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: The Langar Hall &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Sikhs in the Olympics, Beijing 2008</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Langar Hall &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Sikhs in the Olympics, Beijing 2008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 08:19:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] from throughout the world congregate here at The Langar Hall and that issues ranging from Kenya, New Zealand, Canada, Panjab, England etc. all interest [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rakesh Krishnan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rakesh Krishnan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 13:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Navtej Singh&#039;s murder has shaken not just the Indian community in Auckland, but the wider community. As a newspaper reporter I have to travel to Manurewa and nearby areas at least twice a week, and let me tell you the area gives me the creeps. Bands of aggressive boys roam around and unemployed people can be seen rushing in and out of stores. Unlike the poor in other countries, the parents of these unemployed boys and men get full state support. The more kids they have, the more the state pays them. Often many boys when they turn 20 get dole for the first time and never bother to work for the rest of their lives. Totally bored and without hope, crime is a handy diversion.

Indians and the Asians are the only ones that seem to have any work. The whites are leaving in droves. South Auckland is fast becoming a Pacific majority area. The only Europeans that are staying put are either too poor to go to the North Shore (another Auckland suburb) or are too lazy or too old to move to Australia.

Most Indians in the area are not very educated. And the Asians can&#039;t speak English to save their lives. The net result is that opening a small business is the only way they can get out of the lower middle class. 

Also, I may sound callous but greed defines the small business owner. 

Navtej used to close his shop very late at 11pm. His was perhaps the last store in the market that closed. The previous owner used to close at 6.30pm and also during slow times during the day. But Navtej even asked the neighbouring store owner, a Chinese owner of a fish and chips store, to stay open late because business was good between 9pm and 10pm. The Chinese refused.

Working that late was clearly asking for trouble. In an area of acute poverty and hopelessness, trashy homes, beat up cars, and where rowdy youth roam free, where police presence is zero, you don&#039;t do such things. It was not bravery it was bravado. And Navtej, a good man, got blinded by his enthusiasm. 

The police anywhere in the world are stupid and rubbernecks. Auckland cops are no different. There have been huge scandals in the police force here, pack rapes, corruption but Navtej&#039;s case was pure shitting in the pants. In Auckland, the police react immediately, arriving in seconds if it&#039;s a case of family violence. But dial murder and they take forever. I knew a guy in a Mobil gas station located near a big intersection, who saw a murder bang in the middle of the road. He dialled the cops and when they didn&#039;t arrive after 10 minutes he called them again to be told they were arriving. Finally he saw ordinary folk carry the (perhaps) dying man to hospital.

In Navtej&#039;s case it wasn&#039;t racism. Yes, they had to follow their code of procedure which says the lives of medics and cops cannot be endangered if they have to hit a crime scene. But a bold officer would have acted quickly and taken the injured man&#039;s family&#039;s word that the gunmen had fled. But sadly there was not one good man brave enough to reach the store. 

Auckland has reached the tipping point in terms of crime. People walk into stores and bully the owners, steal stuff, ask for petrol money. It&#039;s not easy being a store owner.

I have no idea where this will end. I left New Delhi two years ago and arrived in New Zealand because life is easy here. The lifestyle is laidback, at work the colleagues are laidback. As a journalist life is easier than home because the standards of English here are quite low, whereas in India a single mistake or improper expression can cause mayhem the day after publication. So for me work is relaxed. I use half my brain and it suits me just fine. 

But the other side of the coin is that I have to worry about my wife when she goes out shopping at the mall. And I have reason to worry about my little boy. 

A day after Navtej&#039;s shooting, a bar in the same suburb, Manurewa, was robbed at gunpoint and $4000 taken.

Two days after Navtej&#039;s shooting, an 80-year-old Chinese woman was killed in her flat by a robber.

Four days later a Chinese woman and her 8-year-old son were attacked in a parking lot in the biggest mall in the area. The woman died in hospital. 

Minutes before that the same group had tried to attack another Asian woman and tried to snatch her day&#039;s collection. She escaped because she locked her car windows and stayed inside.

Three days later, a man walked into a jewellery shop and walked away with an emerald costing $8000. As he inspected the gem, he said: You can call your insurance company because I&#039;m taking this. They even opened the security doors for him to leave so nobody would get hurt but the idiot fiddled with the handle and the doors got locked.

New Zealand has never attracted India’s brightest. Now even the second and third rung talent will think twice about setting out for Aotearoa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Navtej Singh&#8217;s murder has shaken not just the Indian community in Auckland, but the wider community. As a newspaper reporter I have to travel to Manurewa and nearby areas at least twice a week, and let me tell you the area gives me the creeps. Bands of aggressive boys roam around and unemployed people can be seen rushing in and out of stores. Unlike the poor in other countries, the parents of these unemployed boys and men get full state support. The more kids they have, the more the state pays them. Often many boys when they turn 20 get dole for the first time and never bother to work for the rest of their lives. Totally bored and without hope, crime is a handy diversion.</p>
<p>Indians and the Asians are the only ones that seem to have any work. The whites are leaving in droves. South Auckland is fast becoming a Pacific majority area. The only Europeans that are staying put are either too poor to go to the North Shore (another Auckland suburb) or are too lazy or too old to move to Australia.</p>
<p>Most Indians in the area are not very educated. And the Asians can&#8217;t speak English to save their lives. The net result is that opening a small business is the only way they can get out of the lower middle class. </p>
<p>Also, I may sound callous but greed defines the small business owner. </p>
<p>Navtej used to close his shop very late at 11pm. His was perhaps the last store in the market that closed. The previous owner used to close at 6.30pm and also during slow times during the day. But Navtej even asked the neighbouring store owner, a Chinese owner of a fish and chips store, to stay open late because business was good between 9pm and 10pm. The Chinese refused.</p>
<p>Working that late was clearly asking for trouble. In an area of acute poverty and hopelessness, trashy homes, beat up cars, and where rowdy youth roam free, where police presence is zero, you don&#8217;t do such things. It was not bravery it was bravado. And Navtej, a good man, got blinded by his enthusiasm. </p>
<p>The police anywhere in the world are stupid and rubbernecks. Auckland cops are no different. There have been huge scandals in the police force here, pack rapes, corruption but Navtej&#8217;s case was pure shitting in the pants. In Auckland, the police react immediately, arriving in seconds if it&#8217;s a case of family violence. But dial murder and they take forever. I knew a guy in a Mobil gas station located near a big intersection, who saw a murder bang in the middle of the road. He dialled the cops and when they didn&#8217;t arrive after 10 minutes he called them again to be told they were arriving. Finally he saw ordinary folk carry the (perhaps) dying man to hospital.</p>
<p>In Navtej&#8217;s case it wasn&#8217;t racism. Yes, they had to follow their code of procedure which says the lives of medics and cops cannot be endangered if they have to hit a crime scene. But a bold officer would have acted quickly and taken the injured man&#8217;s family&#8217;s word that the gunmen had fled. But sadly there was not one good man brave enough to reach the store. </p>
<p>Auckland has reached the tipping point in terms of crime. People walk into stores and bully the owners, steal stuff, ask for petrol money. It&#8217;s not easy being a store owner.</p>
<p>I have no idea where this will end. I left New Delhi two years ago and arrived in New Zealand because life is easy here. The lifestyle is laidback, at work the colleagues are laidback. As a journalist life is easier than home because the standards of English here are quite low, whereas in India a single mistake or improper expression can cause mayhem the day after publication. So for me work is relaxed. I use half my brain and it suits me just fine. </p>
<p>But the other side of the coin is that I have to worry about my wife when she goes out shopping at the mall. And I have reason to worry about my little boy. </p>
<p>A day after Navtej&#8217;s shooting, a bar in the same suburb, Manurewa, was robbed at gunpoint and $4000 taken.</p>
<p>Two days after Navtej&#8217;s shooting, an 80-year-old Chinese woman was killed in her flat by a robber.</p>
<p>Four days later a Chinese woman and her 8-year-old son were attacked in a parking lot in the biggest mall in the area. The woman died in hospital. </p>
<p>Minutes before that the same group had tried to attack another Asian woman and tried to snatch her day&#8217;s collection. She escaped because she locked her car windows and stayed inside.</p>
<p>Three days later, a man walked into a jewellery shop and walked away with an emerald costing $8000. As he inspected the gem, he said: You can call your insurance company because I&#8217;m taking this. They even opened the security doors for him to leave so nobody would get hurt but the idiot fiddled with the handle and the doors got locked.</p>
<p>New Zealand has never attracted India’s brightest. Now even the second and third rung talent will think twice about setting out for Aotearoa.</p>
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		<title>By: Bobby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bobby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 04:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the norm for this section of the South Asian diaspora. And I use the term South Asian diaspora because even though this is a Sikh blog, this affects Indians and Pakistanis and Sri Lankans who work in small business and suffer the brunt of violence and racist abuse on a daily basis. The small businesses that immigrants work in as the first step on the ladder often leave them vulnerable to violence. I experienced this in the UK over the first twenty years on my life watching and staying with relatives who owned shops. It&#039;s alarming how often I read on blogs about South Asian shop workers being shot dead in America, or taxi drivers being attacked. This is the raw experience of our history, and it&#039;s tragic. It leaves scars and mistrust every time something like this happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the norm for this section of the South Asian diaspora. And I use the term South Asian diaspora because even though this is a Sikh blog, this affects Indians and Pakistanis and Sri Lankans who work in small business and suffer the brunt of violence and racist abuse on a daily basis. The small businesses that immigrants work in as the first step on the ladder often leave them vulnerable to violence. I experienced this in the UK over the first twenty years on my life watching and staying with relatives who owned shops. It&#8217;s alarming how often I read on blogs about South Asian shop workers being shot dead in America, or taxi drivers being attacked. This is the raw experience of our history, and it&#8217;s tragic. It leaves scars and mistrust every time something like this happens.</p>
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		<title>By: Amandeep</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amandeep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 05:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These people and whom are invovled are truly deserved to rot in hell. I think having a life sentence to jail is not the right way to go. These people rotting in jail what good would it be. They wont be suffering. Theyll get 3 meals a day, television, newspaper, family visits and calls and alot more than we get for our taxes. Our taxes pay for their so called &quot;suffering&quot;. Its not worth it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These people and whom are invovled are truly deserved to rot in hell. I think having a life sentence to jail is not the right way to go. These people rotting in jail what good would it be. They wont be suffering. Theyll get 3 meals a day, television, newspaper, family visits and calls and alot more than we get for our taxes. Our taxes pay for their so called &#8220;suffering&#8221;. Its not worth it.</p>
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		<title>By: Amandeep</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amandeep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 04:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Police have no right to say they did all they could and that they are sorry. Not at all are they sorry. These criminals robbed the store, was armed and murdered someone do you really think somebody whom has committed such an offence would stay back in the shop? NO! They wouldnt. They police were cowardly. No question about it. They are racist towards us Indians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Police have no right to say they did all they could and that they are sorry. Not at all are they sorry. These criminals robbed the store, was armed and murdered someone do you really think somebody whom has committed such an offence would stay back in the shop? NO! They wouldnt. They police were cowardly. No question about it. They are racist towards us Indians.</p>
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		<title>By: Amandeep</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amandeep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 04:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am just speechless. This is just not right for them to have done this. There have been many cases of them targeting Indians. What have we done wrong? I really dont know what to say as previous comments have been deleted. I am just horrified. I was planning to go to his funeral but i had school. I will make it to his march. I am setting up a charity fund for people to donate. The money will either go to his family or I will donate to the Gurdwara closest to me. This hurts me. All us Indians need to stay together whether we are fijian indians, punjabis, gujaratis etc. 

Satnam Satnam Satnam</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am just speechless. This is just not right for them to have done this. There have been many cases of them targeting Indians. What have we done wrong? I really dont know what to say as previous comments have been deleted. I am just horrified. I was planning to go to his funeral but i had school. I will make it to his march. I am setting up a charity fund for people to donate. The money will either go to his family or I will donate to the Gurdwara closest to me. This hurts me. All us Indians need to stay together whether we are fijian indians, punjabis, gujaratis etc. </p>
<p>Satnam Satnam Satnam</p>
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		<title>By: Baljit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Baljit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 22:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is what happened in Auckland is horrible. the community here is feeling unsafe. Navtej was very nice person and father of three daughters and brother of three sisters. The police and ambulance delay also contributed to his death. about the people who killed him I STRONGLY APPEAL TO THE SIKH ( ALL INDIANS) COMMUNITY THAT WE NEED TO STAND FOR OURSELF. WE WANT JUSTICE. THE LAW SHOULD HANG THESE PEOPLE IN PUBLIC AND ALL THE COMMUNITY PLEASE ATTEND THE COURT FOR NAVTEJ AND STAND FOR THE JUSTICE. IF WE WANT STAND TOGETHER NOW WE WNAT BE ABLE TO STAND EVER. THE LOSS THAT FAMILY IS GOING THROUGH WE NEED TO STAND WITH THE FAMILY AND I AM HAPPY THAT WE ARE. BUT STILL WE NEED TO STOP THIS TO HAPPEN IN FUTURE TO ANY OTHER FAMILY NO MATTER TO WHICH COMMUNITY THEY BELONG TO. WE WNAT JUASTICE HANG THE KILLERS. PLEASE ALL STAND TOGETHER OR HAND OVER THEM TO OUR COMMUNITY SO WE CAN TEACH THEM AND THE FUTURE CRIMINALS ALESSON. I PRAY FOR THE FAMILY AND FOR NAVTEJ SO HE CAN REST IN PEACE IN HEAVEN. PLEASE PROMISE NAVTEJ THAT WWE WILL FIGHT FOR EVERY SINGLE DROP OF HIS BLOOD. VAHEGURU JI KA KAHLSA VAHEGURU JI KI FATHEY. REMEBER SAYING OF GURU GOBINMD SINGH JI AND SHOW THAT WE ARE HIS CHILDREN.

&lt;strong&gt;[Baljit, I will excuse the incoherence as it is written as an emotional plea.  However DO NOT write in all caps again.  It does not add anything....Admin Singh]&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is what happened in Auckland is horrible. the community here is feeling unsafe. Navtej was very nice person and father of three daughters and brother of three sisters. The police and ambulance delay also contributed to his death. about the people who killed him I STRONGLY APPEAL TO THE SIKH ( ALL INDIANS) COMMUNITY THAT WE NEED TO STAND FOR OURSELF. WE WANT JUSTICE. THE LAW SHOULD HANG THESE PEOPLE IN PUBLIC AND ALL THE COMMUNITY PLEASE ATTEND THE COURT FOR NAVTEJ AND STAND FOR THE JUSTICE. IF WE WANT STAND TOGETHER NOW WE WNAT BE ABLE TO STAND EVER. THE LOSS THAT FAMILY IS GOING THROUGH WE NEED TO STAND WITH THE FAMILY AND I AM HAPPY THAT WE ARE. BUT STILL WE NEED TO STOP THIS TO HAPPEN IN FUTURE TO ANY OTHER FAMILY NO MATTER TO WHICH COMMUNITY THEY BELONG TO. WE WNAT JUASTICE HANG THE KILLERS. PLEASE ALL STAND TOGETHER OR HAND OVER THEM TO OUR COMMUNITY SO WE CAN TEACH THEM AND THE FUTURE CRIMINALS ALESSON. I PRAY FOR THE FAMILY AND FOR NAVTEJ SO HE CAN REST IN PEACE IN HEAVEN. PLEASE PROMISE NAVTEJ THAT WWE WILL FIGHT FOR EVERY SINGLE DROP OF HIS BLOOD. VAHEGURU JI KA KAHLSA VAHEGURU JI KI FATHEY. REMEBER SAYING OF GURU GOBINMD SINGH JI AND SHOW THAT WE ARE HIS CHILDREN.</p>
<p><strong>[Baljit, I will excuse the incoherence as it is written as an emotional plea.  However DO NOT write in all caps again.  It does not add anything....Admin Singh]</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Jodha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jodha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 11:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul,

The &#039;panic button&#039; sounds like a great suggestion.  I hope they do implement such a thing there in New Zealand. 

Again, thank you for taking the time to express your opinion and answer a few of my questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul,</p>
<p>The &#8216;panic button&#8217; sounds like a great suggestion.  I hope they do implement such a thing there in New Zealand. </p>
<p>Again, thank you for taking the time to express your opinion and answer a few of my questions.</p>
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