Stupid or Evil?
As the debate over the so-called “Ground Zero Mosque” wages on in the media with plenty of misinformation and a whole lot of fear-mongering, we finally get some worthwhile news from The Daily Show on the subject.
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You don’t have to look much beyond the comments here on The Langar Hall to see that Muslim-hating is seriously on the rise. Here’s a few quotes responding to my last post on the subject of the Park51 Islamic Community Center in June:
“We all know what Pisslam is. The religion of murder.. ”
“BUILD THE DAMN MOSQUE….I DOUBLE DOG DARE YOU. LETS SEE HOW LONG IT STANDS.”
“If Islam couldn’t hide behind the word “religion” it would be hounded out of all civilized nations for the hate spewing Evil that it is.”
“now NYC, the most beautiful city in the world is being corrupted by these parasites…”
A pastor in Florida is planning on hosting a “Burn Quran Day” next month, and the ninth anniversary of the 9/11 attack will be commemorated with even more hatred in New York City in a protest of the Park51 plans organized by the so-called “human rights group” Stop Islamization of America (SIOA), headed by Pamela Geller, aka the Queen of Muslim Bashers.
Many are coming together to denounce the dangerous rise in Muslim hating, including an interfaith coalition (including Sikhs) I just heard about in Stamford, CT, and a broad-based movement in NYC that is planning a Rally for Unity and Solidarity with Muslim People on 9/11.
Interfaith efforts, unity, and solidarity are what we need more than ever right now. Fox News and the right are interested in none of these. I guess the jury is still out on whether it’s their stupidity or their evil intentions (or both) that motivates their divisive and hateful misinformation.
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Speak it, brother. If anyone speaks of a 'post-racial world', we don't have to look much further than this conversation which seems to have become a global discussion. I'll be downtown on the anniversary of the 9-11 attacks. I welcome those who engage in conversation in the pursuit of understanding. For those who pursue dominance, I suggest another location. Plurality is our interest. Equality is our passion.
Speak it, brother. If anyone speaks of a 'post-racial world', we don't have to look much further than this conversation which seems to have become a global discussion. I'll be downtown on the anniversary of the 9-11 attacks. I welcome those who engage in conversation in the pursuit of understanding. For those who pursue dominance, I suggest another location. Plurality is our interest. Equality is our passion.
just heard this horrible news that a NYC cab driver was just stabbed in the throat after a passenger asked him if he was muslim: http://www.ny1.com/content/top_stories/124338/pol…
things are out of control.
>20 %
After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:
Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%
>40 %
At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:
Bosnia — Muslim 40%
Chad — Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%
>60 %
From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:
Albania — Muslim 70%
Malaysia — Muslim 60.4%
Qatar — Muslim 77.5%
Sudan — Muslim 70%
>80 %
just heard this horrible news that a NYC cab driver was just stabbed in the throat after a passenger asked him if he was muslim: http://www.ny1.com/content/top_stories/124338/pol…
things are out of control.
Muslim behaviour a fucntion of % :—
ref ;- <a href="http://-http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/sikh/TODLQU72LLIAM8OTF” target=”_blank”>-http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/sikh/TODLQU72LLIAM8OTF
1-2 % :–
As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:
United States — Muslim 1.0%
Australia — Muslim 1.5%
Canada — Muslim 1.9%
China — Muslim 1%-2%
Italy — Muslim 1.5%
Norway — Muslim 1.8%
2-3 % :–
At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:
Denmark — Muslim 2%
Germany — Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%
Spain — Muslim 4%
Thailand — Muslim 4.6%
>5 %
From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply.
France — Muslim 8%
Philippines — Muslim 5%
Sweden — Muslim 5%
Switzerland — Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad & Tobago — Muslim 5.8%
At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.
>10 %
When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions (Paris — car burnings, etc.). Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats (Amsterdam — Mohammed cartoons).
Guyana — Muslim 10%
India — Muslim 13.4%
Israel — Muslim 16%
Kenya — Muslim 10%
Russia — Muslim 10-15%
>20 %
After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:
Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%
>40 %
At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:
Bosnia — Muslim 40%
Chad — Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%
>60 %
From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:
Albania — Muslim 70%
Malaysia — Muslim 60.4%
Qatar — Muslim 77.5%
Sudan — Muslim 70%
>80 %
Muslim behaviour a fucntion of % :—
ref ;- -http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/sikh/TODLQU72LLIAM8OTF
1-2 % :–
As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:
United States — Muslim 1.0%
Australia — Muslim 1.5%
Canada — Muslim 1.9%
China — Muslim 1%-2%
Italy — Muslim 1.5%
Norway — Muslim 1.8%
2-3 % :–
At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:
Denmark — Muslim 2%
Germany — Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%
Spain — Muslim 4%
Thailand — Muslim 4.6%
>5 %
From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply.
France — Muslim 8%
Philippines — Muslim 5%
Sweden — Muslim 5%
Switzerland — Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad & Tobago — Muslim 5.8%
At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.
>10 %
When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions (Paris — car burnings, etc.). Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats (Amsterdam — Mohammed cartoons).
Guyana — Muslim 10%
India — Muslim 13.4%
Israel — Muslim 16%
Kenya — Muslim 10%
Russia — Muslim 10-15%
Brooklynwala
You do post some utter drivel. So you want the Muslims to be seen as victims in all this. I see you still haven't researched the background of the Imam Rauf and the people he is associated with. Rather than accuse the media of fear mongering and spreading misinformation at least have the decency to research both sides of the issue rather than just posting the usual bukwas.
Brooklynwala
You do post some utter drivel. So you want the Muslims to be seen as victims in all this. I see you still haven't researched the background of the Imam Rauf and the people he is associated with. Rather than accuse the media of fear mongering and spreading misinformation at least have the decency to research both sides of the issue rather than just posting the usual bukwas.
Bik
Side of what issue??? Should this have happened right after 9/11? This individual was hurt because he was Muslim. Not because he supported Imam Rauf. I must must must be missing something. According to all of India in the 1980's, Sikhs were terrorists. Did everyone have the right to stab the Sikh rickshaw-waalas?
Bik
Side of what issue??? Should this have happened right after 9/11? This individual was hurt because he was Muslim. Not because he supported Imam Rauf. I must must must be missing something. According to all of India in the 1980's, Sikhs were terrorists. Did everyone have the right to stab the Sikh rickshaw-waalas?
How come all the Muslim bashers who like commenting on this blog have nothing to say about The Daily Show piece? Re: Imam Rauf, he is a Sufi, not exactly a radical Islamist or anything close. Quite the contrary. Check this out: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/17/opinion/17dalry… . I have many issues with the piece (namely its assumption that US imperialism is fine and dandy), but hopefully it can help debunk these ridiculous assertions about Rauf.
How come all the Muslim bashers who like commenting on this blog have nothing to say about The Daily Show piece? Re: Imam Rauf, he is a Sufi, not exactly a radical Islamist or anything close. Quite the contrary. Check this out: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/17/opinion/17dalry… . I have many issues with the piece (namely its assumption that US imperialism is fine and dandy), but hopefully it can help debunk these ridiculous assertions about Rauf.
Remember USA is admist a war.
If a American is seen on street of Afghanistan/Iraq/Somalia/ what would be his fate !
Most SIKHS , HINDUS have left the war zone of Afghanistan even when they are not in this war.
The sufi guy could follow their example and return home or decide to stick around in USA depending on his courage and Americas hospitality.
Their is no answer which will please all of us.
Old laws will then be used to explain the mess the world is presently in
1) "Might is right"
2) "All is fair in love and war"
Remember USA is admist a war.
If a American is seen on street of Afghanistan/Iraq/Somalia/ what would be his fate !
Most SIKHS , HINDUS have left the war zone of Afghanistan even when they are not in this war.
The sufi guy could follow their example and return home or decide to stick around in USA depending on his courage and Americas hospitality.
Their is no answer which will please all of us.
Old laws will then be used to explain the mess the world is presently in
1) “Might is right”
2) “All is fair in love and war”
You guys seem to be going hyper over what could turn out to a massive own goal by a leftist idiot trying to give the impression that Muslims are attacked in America. It appears that the attacker is not some redneck but a left wing supporter of the Mosque who has worked with organisations that support the mosque. Read the wall street journal
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703…
For those like brooklywala who gets their 'hard' news from the daily show and are probably too lazy to read the whole article, the highly relevant piece is below;-
"On his Facebook page, Mr. Enright says that he has worked as a "cinematographer/photographer" with Intersections International since last August.
On its website, that organization describes itself as a "New York-based global initiative dedicated to promoting justice, reconciliation and peace across lines of faith, culture, ideology, race, class, national borders and other boundaries that divide humanity." The organization has publicly supported the proposed mosque near Ground Zero."
How is his working for that kind of organization necessarily implicate that he wholeheartedly agrees with and subscribes to the organization's description? That the organization itself is legitimate?
I was hoping that you would give some better explanation, but you clearly are unable to think critically.
"A drunken film student who spent time in Afghanistan this year and volunteered with a group promoting religious tolerance allegedly slashed a Muslim taxi driver Tuesday in Manhattan, screaming the Arabic greeting "Assalamu Alaikum" and "consider this a checkpoint" before the attack, police said."
Read that part of the article again. And again. What part of you thinks that this is ok, justified, or even understandable in any kind of context? What piece of your analytical puzzle makes this not a situation in which Muslims are victimized? Help me to understand. You do a good job of evading actual discussion and instead prop up the usual Glen Beck-esque tropes.
You guys seem to be going hyper over what could turn out to a massive own goal by a leftist idiot trying to give the impression that Muslims are attacked in America. It appears that the attacker is not some redneck but a left wing supporter of the Mosque who has worked with organisations that support the mosque. Read the wall street journal
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703…
For those like brooklywala who gets their 'hard' news from the daily show and are probably too lazy to read the whole article, the highly relevant piece is below;-
"On his Facebook page, Mr. Enright says that he has worked as a "cinematographer/photographer" with Intersections International since last August.
On its website, that organization describes itself as a "New York-based global initiative dedicated to promoting justice, reconciliation and peace across lines of faith, culture, ideology, race, class, national borders and other boundaries that divide humanity." The organization has publicly supported the proposed mosque near Ground Zero."
How is his working for that kind of organization necessarily implicate that he wholeheartedly agrees with and subscribes to the organization's description? That the organization itself is legitimate?
I was hoping that you would give some better explanation, but you clearly are unable to think critically.
"A drunken film student who spent time in Afghanistan this year and volunteered with a group promoting religious tolerance allegedly slashed a Muslim taxi driver Tuesday in Manhattan, screaming the Arabic greeting "Assalamu Alaikum" and "consider this a checkpoint" before the attack, police said."
Read that part of the article again. And again. What part of you thinks that this is ok, justified, or even understandable in any kind of context? What piece of your analytical puzzle makes this not a situation in which Muslims are victimized? Help me to understand. You do a good job of evading actual discussion and instead prop up the usual Glen Beck-esque tropes.
The only question relevant to debate is WHY SITE OF WTC? WHY? Though I am a supporter of religious freedom, however this question lingers in my mind. And if they chose that site to set a precedent in order to reconcile the Muslim world and Western World, then its a utterly bad precedent and in bad taste.
Park 51 is NOT at the site of the WTC. It is a few blocks away and has nothing to do with Ground Zero.
The park 51 building is a PART of the 9/11 site as this building was the one on which the landing gear of the highjacked place fell. I suggest you give up your lies and move on and build the mosque somewhere else. Everyone understand your Islamic supremacist agenda now!
No lies, bik, just facts. Again, Park 51 is not a part of the WTC, despite the debris that hit it when the towers came down. The only agenda I have is Guru Nanak's truth of Ik Ongkar. We are all ONE. Muslim, Hindu, Sikh; all one.
The only question relevant to debate is WHY SITE OF WTC? WHY? Though I am a supporter of religious freedom, however this question lingers in my mind. And if they chose that site to set a precedent in order to reconcile the Muslim world and Western World, then its a utterly bad precedent and in bad taste.
Park 51 is NOT at the site of the WTC. It is a few blocks away and has nothing to do with Ground Zero.
The park 51 building is a PART of the 9/11 site as this building was the one on which the landing gear of the highjacked place fell. I suggest you give up your lies and move on and build the mosque somewhere else. Everyone understand your Islamic supremacist agenda now!
No lies, bik, just facts. Again, Park 51 is not a part of the WTC, despite the debris that hit it when the towers came down. The only agenda I have is Guru Nanak's truth of Ik Ongkar. We are all ONE. Muslim, Hindu, Sikh; all one.
A great post Sunny. With people like you, we can leave a better future behind for our children. As Sikhs, we are Nanak's children. We are all children of God. And we will work (no matter how long it takes) to build bridges with our Muslim brothers and sisters. For that is the Sikh way.
Sat Sri Akal.
Pritam Singh, Singapore.
A great post Sunny. With people like you, we can leave a better future behind for our children. As Sikhs, we are Nanak's children. We are all children of God. And we will work (no matter how long it takes) to build bridges with our Muslim brothers and sisters. For that is the Sikh way.
Sat Sri Akal.
Pritam Singh, Singapore.
Some left wing idiot stabs a Muslim taxi driver after enquiring whether he is a Muslim, give a Muslim greeting, asks if he keeping Ramadan etc. Sounds like he is making sure that the Taxi driver will remember that he enquired about him being a Muslim and then stabbed him knowing it will in the papers and people like Bloomberg will be going hyper about 'Islamophoba' Seems like someone who wanted to get the right wing to be accused of the stabbing and it would have worked had the idiot typical of leftist fools can never do a job right. He got caught and now the truth will slowing come out.
Some left wing idiot stabs a Muslim taxi driver after enquiring whether he is a Muslim, give a Muslim greeting, asks if he keeping Ramadan etc. Sounds like he is making sure that the Taxi driver will remember that he enquired about him being a Muslim and then stabbed him knowing it will in the papers and people like Bloomberg will be going hyper about 'Islamophoba' Seems like someone who wanted to get the right wing to be accused of the stabbing and it would have worked had the idiot typical of leftist fools can never do a job right. He got caught and now the truth will slowing come out.
Can anyone let the Daily Show know that they showed Sikhs as Muslims in their segment. Thanks.
Strange that Brooklynwala didn't notice the Daily show mistake but then it is a part of the liberal Sikh agenda on this blog is to unite Muslims and Sikhs even thought it was the mistaken identity issue that led to two Sikhs deaths. Shows how this blog is more concerned at spreading it's political agenda than being concerned about the safety of Sikhs.
Can anyone let the Daily Show know that they showed Sikhs as Muslims in their segment. Thanks.
Strange that Brooklynwala didn't notice the Daily show mistake but then it is a part of the liberal Sikh agenda on this blog is to unite Muslims and Sikhs even thought it was the mistaken identity issue that led to two Sikhs deaths. Shows how this blog is more concerned at spreading it's political agenda than being concerned about the safety of Sikhs.
There is an effort to club muslims and sikhs as one religion .
Though SIkhs acknowledge muslims to be real and part of mankind they are not same philosophies of life.
We may not practice our religions the same, but let us not forget Guru Nanak's message that we are all ONE. One one one one one one one. One!!!
Yes we are one but Guruji never told us to worship Koran but instead gave mankind a treasure of wisdom called
"GURU GRANTH SAHIB "
Ummm…. riiiigggggggggght. No one is asking you to worship the Koran, Harinder; you need to stop being so defensive. It is our responsibility to not only treasure the wonderful gem that our Gurus gave us, but to also PRACTICE the wisdoms they gave.
Guru Nanak's first words were, Ik Ongkar, Satnam. We are all ONE; this is TRUTH. Your words of disrespect against Muslims show how far you (we) are to accepting this truth.
Many blessings to all of you!
not one religion at all, no. that is not my agenda or anyone's here. but we are one humanity created by the same divine, within whom the same divine light exists.
and please don't forget the sufi (MUSLIM) saints whose writings we bow our heads to every day in the guru granth sahib.
@ikaas, i couldn't have said it better myself! ONE. Ik Onkar. seriously.
There is an effort to club muslims and sikhs as one religion .
Though SIkhs acknowledge muslims to be real and part of mankind they are not same philosophies of life.
We may not practice our religions the same, but let us not forget Guru Nanak's message that we are all ONE. One one one one one one one. One!!!
Yes we are one but Guruji never told us to worship Koran but instead gave mankind a treasure of wisdom called
“GURU GRANTH SAHIB ”
Ummm…. riiiigggggggggght. No one is asking you to worship the Koran, Harinder; you need to stop being so defensive. It is our responsibility to not only treasure the wonderful gem that our Gurus gave us, but to also PRACTICE the wisdoms they gave.
Guru Nanak's first words were, Ik Ongkar, Satnam. We are all ONE; this is TRUTH. Your words of disrespect against Muslims show how far you (we) are to accepting this truth.
Many blessings to all of you!
not one religion at all, no. that is not my agenda or anyone's here. but we are one humanity created by the same divine, within whom the same divine light exists.
and please don't forget the sufi (MUSLIM) saints whose writings we bow our heads to every day in the guru granth sahib.
@ikaas, i couldn't have said it better myself! ONE. Ik Onkar. seriously.
For those interested in a personal perspective on this issue, check out this great issue by a friend here in NYC: http://colorlines.com/archives/2010/08/media_made…
For those interested in a personal perspective on this issue, check out this great issue by a friend here in NYC: http://colorlines.com/archives/2010/08/media_made…
Sonny, I'm with you, but I'm in need on enlightenment on a particular point. Please tell me, if you know the answer, how a statement of any proponent of a religion whose tenets include. "Takkiyya" – lying for the purpose of furthering that religion's goals – can be taken at face value? I grant you that most politicians across the board would also come under that rubric – regardless of religious affiliation! But it's a serious question. For that matter, considering that they also must have been aware of this point, how could the Gurus have given the benefit of the doubt to the words of their Muslim adversaries – or friends?
Sonny, I'm with you, but I'm in need on enlightenment on a particular point. Please tell me, if you know the answer, how a statement of any proponent of a religion whose tenets include. "Takkiyya" – lying for the purpose of furthering that religion's goals – can be taken at face value? I grant you that most politicians across the board would also come under that rubric – regardless of religious affiliation! But it's a serious question. For that matter, considering that they also must have been aware of this point, how could the Gurus have given the benefit of the doubt to the words of their Muslim adversaries – or friends?