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		<title>By: Harjit Singh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harjit Singh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 04:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree with Oz Sikh. These incidents have just been sensationalised by the media because it makes great tv. Sadly the Indians have jumped on board and without thinking have begun these protests. As a Sikh that calls Australia proudly home I condemn any attack on any individual and truth be it, Sikhs are not being targetted any more than any other person who is walking home late at night. 

Does a problem exist? Yes! 
Unfortunately the real problem for the Indian students is not the Australian govt or Australian people. It is their own people who have set up shockingly below standard &quot;international&quot; colleges to provide skills shortage courses that after 2 years give them a chance at gaining permanent residence in Australia. These are the same people that take $20,000 in fees for their substandard courses and then do not provide the adequate social and communication training and supporr to their students. What ensues is that you have students walking around on public transport blaring bhangra or bollywood music, no manners, yelling at eachother crudely about girls in their own language...etc.

The students are partly to blame as well for working over their 20 hours per week and hence being caught in their own trap by fearing reporting to the police any incident at night for they are working illegally. If only they understood that immigration and police are 2 seperate depts and it would be better off to report directly to the police as soon as an incident happens so as to keep the police informed and they would not be investigated regarding their work or visas!

Theres the truth...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree with Oz Sikh. These incidents have just been sensationalised by the media because it makes great tv. Sadly the Indians have jumped on board and without thinking have begun these protests. As a Sikh that calls Australia proudly home I condemn any attack on any individual and truth be it, Sikhs are not being targetted any more than any other person who is walking home late at night. </p>
<p>Does a problem exist? Yes!<br />
Unfortunately the real problem for the Indian students is not the Australian govt or Australian people. It is their own people who have set up shockingly below standard &#8220;international&#8221; colleges to provide skills shortage courses that after 2 years give them a chance at gaining permanent residence in Australia. These are the same people that take $20,000 in fees for their substandard courses and then do not provide the adequate social and communication training and supporr to their students. What ensues is that you have students walking around on public transport blaring bhangra or bollywood music, no manners, yelling at eachother crudely about girls in their own language&#8230;etc.</p>
<p>The students are partly to blame as well for working over their 20 hours per week and hence being caught in their own trap by fearing reporting to the police any incident at night for they are working illegally. If only they understood that immigration and police are 2 seperate depts and it would be better off to report directly to the police as soon as an incident happens so as to keep the police informed and they would not be investigated regarding their work or visas!</p>
<p>Theres the truth&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Oz singh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oz singh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 07:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I beg to differ with this article

Being a teenage sikh i have grown up in the australian culture and way of life, attending the schools and interacting with a variety of people. Australia is definitely at this moment one of the most open-minded and recially tolerant countries in the world despite boasting geniuine numbers of variuos nationlities. I myself have numerous friends from a lebenese, african, anglo-saxon, sri lankan, chinese and south american background. And these are only from one school. 

Now I raise another point. Onli one out of the twenty attacks you mention can really be attributed to raise. This one. Why i say this is simple. In my 15 years in this country I have never once encountered a piece of racial slander or violence ( the onli time i have was when i observed the treatment of minorities and so called &#039;lower class&#039; in india). Me and my dad both travel around sydeny in turbans and beards and definitely stand out. The fact that all of a sudden there has been a spike in attacks on clean shaven individuals who would stand out less than us definitely detracts the racial label.

The real issue is the culture that these students have been a part of and bring to australia. India, and more specifically  middle class india where these students arrive from is notorious for rampant consumerism and exuberance. In australia i have seen students with mobile phones i didnt knoe existed. Not just that but they show them around and often can be seen with them in their hands showing them off or playing music on them. Sorri but if you do that you are asking for it and will get it. Add to this the fact that they often work odd hours and it is a dangerous combination. Anyone on a railway station in the early hours of the morning showing off a mobile phone anywhere in the world is in definite danger.....

This recent attack is however disturbing, although not isolated. In the past, just with any other western country, ignorant individuals have done such things. I dont feel it was anything against the student.

So instead of this australia bashing that i am seeing, australia remains one of the most renowned multicultural communities in the world. Instead of attempting to force change, indian soceity should look at itself. If it even took two minutes to examine the class based, socioeconomic, skin based racism in the country i think it would run for help.

Thats my two cents
Bhul chuk likhia maaf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I beg to differ with this article</p>
<p>Being a teenage sikh i have grown up in the australian culture and way of life, attending the schools and interacting with a variety of people. Australia is definitely at this moment one of the most open-minded and recially tolerant countries in the world despite boasting geniuine numbers of variuos nationlities. I myself have numerous friends from a lebenese, african, anglo-saxon, sri lankan, chinese and south american background. And these are only from one school. </p>
<p>Now I raise another point. Onli one out of the twenty attacks you mention can really be attributed to raise. This one. Why i say this is simple. In my 15 years in this country I have never once encountered a piece of racial slander or violence ( the onli time i have was when i observed the treatment of minorities and so called &#8216;lower class&#8217; in india). Me and my dad both travel around sydeny in turbans and beards and definitely stand out. The fact that all of a sudden there has been a spike in attacks on clean shaven individuals who would stand out less than us definitely detracts the racial label.</p>
<p>The real issue is the culture that these students have been a part of and bring to australia. India, and more specifically  middle class india where these students arrive from is notorious for rampant consumerism and exuberance. In australia i have seen students with mobile phones i didnt knoe existed. Not just that but they show them around and often can be seen with them in their hands showing them off or playing music on them. Sorri but if you do that you are asking for it and will get it. Add to this the fact that they often work odd hours and it is a dangerous combination. Anyone on a railway station in the early hours of the morning showing off a mobile phone anywhere in the world is in definite danger&#8230;..</p>
<p>This recent attack is however disturbing, although not isolated. In the past, just with any other western country, ignorant individuals have done such things. I dont feel it was anything against the student.</p>
<p>So instead of this australia bashing that i am seeing, australia remains one of the most renowned multicultural communities in the world. Instead of attempting to force change, indian soceity should look at itself. If it even took two minutes to examine the class based, socioeconomic, skin based racism in the country i think it would run for help.</p>
<p>Thats my two cents<br />
Bhul chuk likhia maaf</p>
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		<title>By: Harinder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harinder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 11:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Graham Stuart Staines (1941-January 1999) was an Australian missionary who was burnt to death along with his two sons Philip (aged 9) and Timothy (aged 7) while sleeping in his station wagon at Manoharpur village in Keonjhar district in Orissa, India in January 1999. In 2003, the Hindu activist Dara Singh was convicted of leading the gang.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_Staines

A human rights organisation, International Christian Concern (ICC), said that the bodies of six Christians had been found, and that 60 churches and 400 homes had been destroyed. The reports were based on an investigation by Dr John Dayal, the secretary general of the All India Christian Council. Dr Dayal said that the lives of people who were unable to flee were in danger. 

http://www.churchtimes.co.uk/content.asp?id=49365


Did Mr Badal criticize any of these .
 Does he have the moral right to now criticize australians now ?


I am reminded of Saint Kabeer saying whose more than 500 sayings are in &quot;Sri GURU GRANTH SAHIB&quot;.
I dont know if this one is included but I got it from Khalsa site

http://akaalpurakhdifauj.blogspot.com/2006_04_01_archive.html

Bura Jo Dekhan Main Chala, Bura Naa Milya Koye
Jo Munn Khoja Apnaa, To Mujhse Bura Naa Koye
-Bhagat Kabeer

I searched for the crooked in others, met not a single one
Upon searching my own self, &quot;I&quot; found the crooked one.

Sant Kabeer day falls on 7 july 09</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Graham Stuart Staines (1941-January 1999) was an Australian missionary who was burnt to death along with his two sons Philip (aged 9) and Timothy (aged 7) while sleeping in his station wagon at Manoharpur village in Keonjhar district in Orissa, India in January 1999. In 2003, the Hindu activist Dara Singh was convicted of leading the gang.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_Staines" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_Staines</a></p>
<p>A human rights organisation, International Christian Concern (ICC), said that the bodies of six Christians had been found, and that 60 churches and 400 homes had been destroyed. The reports were based on an investigation by Dr John Dayal, the secretary general of the All India Christian Council. Dr Dayal said that the lives of people who were unable to flee were in danger. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.churchtimes.co.uk/content.asp?id=49365" rel="nofollow">http://www.churchtimes.co.uk/content.asp?id=49365</a></p>
<p>Did Mr Badal criticize any of these .<br />
 Does he have the moral right to now criticize australians now ?</p>
<p>I am reminded of Saint Kabeer saying whose more than 500 sayings are in &#8220;Sri GURU GRANTH SAHIB&#8221;.<br />
I dont know if this one is included but I got it from Khalsa site</p>
<p><a href="http://akaalpurakhdifauj.blogspot.com/2006_04_01_archive.html" rel="nofollow">http://akaalpurakhdifauj.blogspot.com/2006_04_01_archive.html</a></p>
<p>Bura Jo Dekhan Main Chala, Bura Naa Milya Koye<br />
Jo Munn Khoja Apnaa, To Mujhse Bura Naa Koye<br />
-Bhagat Kabeer</p>
<p>I searched for the crooked in others, met not a single one<br />
Upon searching my own self, &#8220;I&#8221; found the crooked one.</p>
<p>Sant Kabeer day falls on 7 july 09</p>
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