Comments on: The Rise and Fall of Sikh Girls http://thelangarhall.com/india/the-rise-and-fall-of-sikh-girls/ www.thelangarhall.com Tue, 07 Sep 2010 06:27:25 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: karakara http://thelangarhall.com/india/the-rise-and-fall-of-sikh-girls/comment-page-1/#comment-17205 karakara Sat, 23 May 2009 09:40:42 +0000 http://thelangarhall.com/?p=1919#comment-17205 Two quick comments: I think the title of this article is suggestive of something entirely different, more of a sexual nature. I agree with some of the posters here that this article is both misleading in title, and that the issues of: 1)Female Foeticide 2) Quote equating feoticide with killing of a 'holy cow'.. Sometimes I simply can't believe what I'm reading or hearing. To address the above: 1) I have never heard of any problem of 'foeticide' outside of the Punjabi Sikh community.. in other words, Gora Sikhs, Malaysian Sikhs, etc., DO NOT KILL THEIR INFANTS. This has nothing to do with Sikhism and everything to do with cultural problems in India. 2) SIKHS DO NOT HOLD 'COWS' TO BE HOLY. I see the Hindu influence and leanings of the 'Singh' who wrote this are lamentable, but again this is entirely a Punjabi cultural issue, not something that the Sikh community around world struggles with. Two quick comments: I think the title of this article is suggestive of something entirely different, more of a sexual nature.

I agree with some of the posters here that this article is both misleading in title, and that the issues of:

1)Female Foeticide
2) Quote equating feoticide with killing of a ‘holy cow’..

Sometimes I simply can’t believe what I’m reading or hearing.

To address the above:
1) I have never heard of any problem of ‘foeticide’ outside of the Punjabi Sikh community.. in other words, Gora Sikhs, Malaysian Sikhs, etc., DO NOT KILL THEIR INFANTS. This has nothing to do with Sikhism and everything to do with cultural problems in India.
2) SIKHS DO NOT HOLD ‘COWS’ TO BE HOLY. I see the Hindu influence and leanings of the ‘Singh’ who wrote this are lamentable, but again this is entirely a Punjabi cultural issue, not something that the Sikh community around world struggles with.

]]> By: PCJ http://thelangarhall.com/india/the-rise-and-fall-of-sikh-girls/comment-page-1/#comment-13647 PCJ Mon, 23 Mar 2009 19:13:12 +0000 http://thelangarhall.com/?p=1919#comment-13647 Why fire the Gyani? I thought SGPC's definition of a Sikh was s/he has uncut hair. After all, he is a Sikh, even if he a child molester. I am pretty sure if he wanted to go to a medical school, he would have been given preference as a Sikh than someone with short hair and claiming to be a Sikh. Why fire the Gyani? I thought SGPC’s definition of a Sikh was s/he has uncut hair. After all, he is a Sikh, even if he a child molester. I am pretty sure if he wanted to go to a medical school, he would have been given preference as a Sikh than someone with short hair and claiming to be a Sikh.

]]> By: Suki http://thelangarhall.com/india/the-rise-and-fall-of-sikh-girls/comment-page-1/#comment-10890 Suki Wed, 14 Jan 2009 10:40:43 +0000 http://thelangarhall.com/?p=1919#comment-10890 Will this ever end. Father-in-law killed his daughter-in-law cause her family failed to make a dowry payment last week in Toronto. I just hope that the community leaders for once spend there time dealing with the issue and instead of blaming the mainstream media like they always day with this issue. And maybe the coverage in mainstream media will shame the community into doing something, before more young punjabi sikh women lose there life for the simple crime of being females. http://www.thestar.com/Crime/article/562642 Will this ever end.

Father-in-law killed his daughter-in-law cause her family failed to make a dowry payment last week in Toronto. I just hope that the community leaders for once spend there time dealing with the issue and instead of blaming the mainstream media like they always day with this issue. And maybe the coverage in mainstream media will shame the community into doing something, before more young punjabi sikh women lose there life for the simple crime of being females.
http://www.thestar.com/Crime/article/562642

]]> By: Sundari http://thelangarhall.com/india/the-rise-and-fall-of-sikh-girls/comment-page-1/#comment-10879 Sundari Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:06:45 +0000 http://thelangarhall.com/?p=1919#comment-10879 For clarification Kaptaan, you said "Sundari should get a clue." You're the one who set the precedent for this conversation - I'm not attacking you personally but I will defend my opinion. - - - You also said "If you would bother to read you’d notice that SAVRAJ pointed to your title as being ‘flamebait’." Correct, but you're the one who likened it to the national enquirer and you should have predicted that I would respond to that. - - - In case you'd actually like to have a dialogue about this issue - then I will emphasize that there is a link between gender inequality and violence against women which includes female infanticide and sexual abuse. To you, this link or argument is far too simplistic - well, the reality is that the connection is simple - gender inequality leads to violence. It's not enough to save a female from sex-selected abortion if she is only to be abused later on in life. Believe me I'm not trying to make a deep argument about this. For clarification Kaptaan, you said “Sundari should get a clue.” You’re the one who set the precedent for this conversation – I’m not attacking you personally but I will defend my opinion.
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You also said “If you would bother to read you’d notice that SAVRAJ pointed to your title as being ‘flamebait’.” Correct, but you’re the one who likened it to the national enquirer and you should have predicted that I would respond to that.
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In case you’d actually like to have a dialogue about this issue – then I will emphasize that there is a link between gender inequality and violence against women which includes female infanticide and sexual abuse. To you, this link or argument is far too simplistic – well, the reality is that the connection is simple – gender inequality leads to violence. It’s not enough to save a female from sex-selected abortion if she is only to be abused later on in life. Believe me I’m not trying to make a deep argument about this.

]]> By: Kaptaan http://thelangarhall.com/india/the-rise-and-fall-of-sikh-girls/comment-page-1/#comment-10877 Kaptaan Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:33:57 +0000 http://thelangarhall.com/?p=1919#comment-10877 Sundari, I'm not putting words in other people's mouths and getting into trying to trash me personally just shows your level of reasoning... If you would bother to read you'd notice that SAVRAJ pointed to your title as being 'flamebait'... The way you try and link gender bias with a case of sex assault is what I objected to, trying to come across as some deep thinker about how 'we haven't progressed very far', blah, blah, blah... Come up with something original already. Sundari, I’m not putting words in other people’s mouths and getting into trying to trash me personally just shows your level of reasoning…

If you would bother to read you’d notice that SAVRAJ pointed to your title as being ‘flamebait’…

The way you try and link gender bias with a case of sex assault is what I objected to, trying to come across as some deep thinker about how ‘we haven’t progressed very far’, blah, blah, blah… Come up with something original already.

]]> By: Sundari http://thelangarhall.com/india/the-rise-and-fall-of-sikh-girls/comment-page-1/#comment-10873 Sundari Tue, 13 Jan 2009 18:04:00 +0000 http://thelangarhall.com/?p=1919#comment-10873 Kaptaan, I'm not exactly sure what's so 'controversial' about my title. If you can't look beyond the title to see the symbolism - then that's not really my fault. I'm not going to 'dumb down' my titles in fear of how they will be perceived. The title refers to the discrepancy in progress that exists within our society - your paranoia as to what you think it means is your own issue. - - - Suki, I completely agree with you that what happened in the gurdwara is something that occurs in many different places of worship. I don't recall ever stating that this event is somehow unique to the Sikh community. Suki & Kaptaan, just because it does occur in many different places of worship somehow makes it okay to happen in a gurdwara??? (Yes Kaptaan, i realize I'm putting words into your mouth - but you do it so well to others). I don't think it's okay and that's why I blogged about it. Perhaps I do hold our community to a higher standard - but that's only because I think we're doing an injustice to what the Gurus have taught us about equality and human rights. It doesn't make it less significant that these issues occur in every community - my argument is that we should not condone it occurring in our own. Kaptaan, I’m not exactly sure what’s so ‘controversial’ about my title. If you can’t look beyond the title to see the symbolism – then that’s not really my fault. I’m not going to ‘dumb down’ my titles in fear of how they will be perceived. The title refers to the discrepancy in progress that exists within our society – your paranoia as to what you think it means is your own issue.
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Suki, I completely agree with you that what happened in the gurdwara is something that occurs in many different places of worship. I don’t recall ever stating that this event is somehow unique to the Sikh community. Suki & Kaptaan, just because it does occur in many different places of worship somehow makes it okay to happen in a gurdwara??? (Yes Kaptaan, i realize I’m putting words into your mouth – but you do it so well to others). I don’t think it’s okay and that’s why I blogged about it. Perhaps I do hold our community to a higher standard – but that’s only because I think we’re doing an injustice to what the Gurus have taught us about equality and human rights. It doesn’t make it less significant that these issues occur in every community – my argument is that we should not condone it occurring in our own.

]]> By: Kaptaan http://thelangarhall.com/india/the-rise-and-fall-of-sikh-girls/comment-page-1/#comment-10871 Kaptaan Tue, 13 Jan 2009 17:40:19 +0000 http://thelangarhall.com/?p=1919#comment-10871 No doubt Langar Hall posters are as bad as the National Enquirer for the headlines they choose to use as in this case. Secondly, the guy quoted, Parvinder Singh, appears to be an ignorant buffoon as there are no holy cows for Sikhs. Thirdly, Suki is correct that sexual assault isn't confined to any one group of people, Sundari should get a clue. Fourthly, INDIAN/ PUNJABI culture is to blame for foeticide or infanticide. Finally, if people who claim to be Sikhs would even remotely practice the faith there wouldn't be any infanticide or foeticide amongst Sikhs and the Punjab would be a better place for it. Have a nice day. No doubt Langar Hall posters are as bad as the National Enquirer for the headlines they choose to use as in this case.

Secondly, the guy quoted, Parvinder Singh, appears to be an ignorant buffoon as there are no holy cows for Sikhs.

Thirdly, Suki is correct that sexual assault isn’t confined to any one group of people, Sundari should get a clue.

Fourthly, INDIAN/ PUNJABI culture is to blame for foeticide or infanticide.

Finally, if people who claim to be Sikhs would even remotely practice the faith there wouldn’t be any infanticide or foeticide amongst Sikhs and the Punjab would be a better place for it.

Have a nice day.

]]> By: whatsinaname http://thelangarhall.com/india/the-rise-and-fall-of-sikh-girls/comment-page-1/#comment-10867 whatsinaname Tue, 13 Jan 2009 13:49:56 +0000 http://thelangarhall.com/?p=1919#comment-10867 I thought Lohri was a harvest / some sort of farming celebration... why do people celebrate baby boys on this day? YaY for girls! I thought Lohri was a harvest / some sort of farming celebration… why do people celebrate baby boys on this day?

YaY for girls!

]]> By: Suki http://thelangarhall.com/india/the-rise-and-fall-of-sikh-girls/comment-page-1/#comment-10862 Suki Tue, 13 Jan 2009 09:28:13 +0000 http://thelangarhall.com/?p=1919#comment-10862 http://www.koalalabs.com/ Washington Clinic 949 3rd Street Blaine, WA 98230 Call Harvinder 604-805-6253 (English speaking clients) Call Davinder 604-318-4785 (Punjabi speaking clients) Can somebody explain to me why that in one of the most multicultural places in the world that is the Vancouver metro area, that this clinic just minutes across the US border serves people in only 2 languages. And look at the names of the 2 people who you have to call, last time I checked those names don't sound Swedish or Korean. A few punjabi newspaper in Vancover have ads for this clinic in there newspaper. http://www.koalalabs.com/

Washington Clinic
949 3rd Street
Blaine, WA 98230
Call Harvinder 604-805-6253 (English speaking clients)
Call Davinder 604-318-4785 (Punjabi speaking clients)

Can somebody explain to me why that in one of the most multicultural places in the world that is the Vancouver metro area, that this clinic just minutes across the US border serves people in only 2 languages. And look at the names of the 2 people who you have to call, last time I checked those names don’t sound Swedish or Korean. A few punjabi newspaper in Vancover have ads for this clinic in there newspaper.

]]> By: Suki http://thelangarhall.com/india/the-rise-and-fall-of-sikh-girls/comment-page-1/#comment-10861 Suki Tue, 13 Jan 2009 09:21:43 +0000 http://thelangarhall.com/?p=1919#comment-10861 What happened in the gurdwara to the young girl is something that happens in every religous group and there place of worship, no matter what the religon is. As for the issue of female infanticide, it is so bad in Vancouver punjabi community yet none of the so-called leaders have spoken out about it. How lost count how many women that I've know of that, who were forced by there familes to get abortion for the crime of being pregant with a girl. A few even had multiple abortions. Very sad. What happened in the gurdwara to the young girl is something that happens in every religous group and there place of worship, no matter what the religon is.

As for the issue of female infanticide, it is so bad in Vancouver punjabi community yet none of the so-called leaders have spoken out about it. How lost count how many women that I’ve know of that, who were forced by there familes to get abortion for the crime of being pregant with a girl. A few even had multiple abortions. Very sad.

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