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		<title>By: Punjaban</title>
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		<dc:creator>Punjaban</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 02:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve heard about these &quot;runaway grooms&quot; (and to a lesser extent, &quot;runaway brides&quot;) who have basically been paid for their visa services (green card in the US).  The main question that arises though is this: If they have upwards of $50 000 to spend to come abroad in search of a better life, they might not be as sad a story as they might seem?  Why not take that money and use it to their benefit in Punjab rather than spending all that money marrying their meal ticket?  People who are willing to sell their daughters (themselves?) so they can go to Westernized nations for financial/civil gain don&#039;t get as much sympathy from me as those who are forced to sell themselves so they can eat for the week. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;ve heard about these &quot;runaway grooms&quot; (and to a lesser extent, &quot;runaway brides&quot;) who have basically been paid for their visa services (green card in the US).  The main question that arises though is this: If they have upwards of $50 000 to spend to come abroad in search of a better life, they might not be as sad a story as they might seem?  Why not take that money and use it to their benefit in Punjab rather than spending all that money marrying their meal ticket?  People who are willing to sell their daughters (themselves?) so they can go to Westernized nations for financial/civil gain don&#039;t get as much sympathy from me as those who are forced to sell themselves so they can eat for the week.</p>
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		<title>By: &#8220;We&#8217;ll Get You Married in Punjab&#8221; &#124; The Langar Hall</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#8220;We&#8217;ll Get You Married in Punjab&#8221; &#124; The Langar Hall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 08:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] few weeks ago we posted about the issue of women in Punjab marrying men from outside of Punjab, to only be deserted by them [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Harinder</title>
		<link>http://thelangarhall.com/india/holiday-brides-in-punjab/comment-page-1/#comment-29113</link>
		<dc:creator>Harinder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 06:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All  is fair in &quot;LOVE AND WAR&quot; Daddy </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All  is fair in &quot;LOVE AND WAR&quot; Daddy</p>
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		<title>By: Mac Daddy</title>
		<link>http://thelangarhall.com/india/holiday-brides-in-punjab/comment-page-1/#comment-28914</link>
		<dc:creator>Mac Daddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 17:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are plenty of hard working indian men who live in India.  Think of NRI boy as poison.  Now you know the poison kills then why would I complaint after eating it.  We know the facts very well.  In other words, there has been numerous stories about NRI marriage fraud then why these girls continue to marry NRI boys.  Plus, girls in Punjab should realize that NRI groom/families are not dumb to not to figure out what girls do in Punjab.  Most girls in Punjab have boyfriends and they take sex education 101 in the corn fields near their villages.  Most of the times they just marry NRI grooms so they can later divorce them/extort money/and bring their boyfriends to USA, UK, Canada or whereever.  I know this will never get published but it is the truth.  TRUTH IS ALWAY BITTER!!! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are plenty of hard working indian men who live in India.  Think of NRI boy as poison.  Now you know the poison kills then why would I complaint after eating it.  We know the facts very well.  In other words, there has been numerous stories about NRI marriage fraud then why these girls continue to marry NRI boys.  Plus, girls in Punjab should realize that NRI groom/families are not dumb to not to figure out what girls do in Punjab.  Most girls in Punjab have boyfriends and they take sex education 101 in the corn fields near their villages.  Most of the times they just marry NRI grooms so they can later divorce them/extort money/and bring their boyfriends to USA, UK, Canada or whereever.  I know this will never get published but it is the truth.  TRUTH IS ALWAY BITTER!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Sundari</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sundari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay, your point is well taken - and i agree that there needs to be some accountability in place and it needs to be enforced.  There are so many elements to this issue: exploitation, emigration, economics... While there may not be a robust and valid data collection system in place, i strongly believe that this is a problem that needs to be addressed both within India and by diasporic communities. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay, your point is well taken &#8211; and i agree that there needs to be some accountability in place and it needs to be enforced.  There are so many elements to this issue: exploitation, emigration, economics&#8230; While there may not be a robust and valid data collection system in place, i strongly believe that this is a problem that needs to be addressed both within India and by diasporic communities.</p>
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		<title>By: Harinder</title>
		<link>http://thelangarhall.com/india/holiday-brides-in-punjab/comment-page-1/#comment-28861</link>
		<dc:creator>Harinder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 04:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Female foeticide is a shame for  which both Sikh men  and woman are culpable . 
Even the Holiday  bride is embarassing for the shame of cheating and lust it encompassess. 
 
Having said so let me tell you how men of other communities behave :-- 
 
1) Red army against German girls in World war 11 1945:-- Berlin bride  
&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Woman_in_Berlin&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Woman_in_Berlin&lt;/a&gt; 
 
2) Pakistani men against Bangladesh girls in 1971 :--  
&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_Bangladesh_atrocities&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_Bangladesh_atro...&lt;/a&gt; 
 
3) Pakistani men against Sikh girls in 1947  :-- 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sikh-history.com/sikhhist/events/partition_and_women.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://www.sikh-history.com/sikhhist/events/parti...&lt;/a&gt; 
 
Compare this with SIKH Regtiments or SIkh societes who  have fought in all theaters of war and live in differnt parts of world ; ;have always come out unscathed by such crimes. 
 
Our religion does not sanction any crime against any woman even if she is from a enemy camp unlike some others where slave girls are divinely sacntioned  
 
  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Female foeticide is a shame for  which both Sikh men  and woman are culpable .<br />
Even the Holiday  bride is embarassing for the shame of cheating and lust it encompassess. </p>
<p>Having said so let me tell you how men of other communities behave :&#8211; </p>
<p>1) Red army against German girls in World war 11 1945:&#8211; Berlin bride<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Woman_in_Berlin" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Woman_in_Berlin</a> </p>
<p>2) Pakistani men against Bangladesh girls in 1971 :&#8211;<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_Bangladesh_atrocities" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_Bangladesh_atro.." rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_Bangladesh_atro..</a>. </p>
<p>3) Pakistani men against Sikh girls in 1947  :&#8211;<br />
<a href="http://www.sikh-history.com/sikhhist/events/partition_and_women.html" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://www.sikh-history.com/sikhhist/events/parti.." rel="nofollow">http://www.sikh-history.com/sikhhist/events/parti..</a>. </p>
<p>Compare this with SIKH Regtiments or SIkh societes who  have fought in all theaters of war and live in differnt parts of world ; ;have always come out unscathed by such crimes. </p>
<p>Our religion does not sanction any crime against any woman even if she is from a enemy camp unlike some others where slave girls are divinely sacntioned</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Singh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Singh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 01:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sundari, I was just relating to my own experience relating to the figures, that is all. And I did say in my post that these cases are obscene and extradition to India for the culprits should be looked at - put them in prison and it will soon end. In a wider way, this is what happens when power dynamics are so skewed - those immoral people living with wealth in the west can exploit those in India so easily because of their desire to move out on the basis of a marriage. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sundari, I was just relating to my own experience relating to the figures, that is all. And I did say in my post that these cases are obscene and extradition to India for the culprits should be looked at &#8211; put them in prison and it will soon end. In a wider way, this is what happens when power dynamics are so skewed &#8211; those immoral people living with wealth in the west can exploit those in India so easily because of their desire to move out on the basis of a marriage.</p>
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		<title>By: Mewa Singh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mewa Singh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sundari, 
 
For previous evidence of the same phenomenon. 
 
See 2006 Jakara Women&#039;s Online Survey: 
 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://fateh.sikhnet.com/Sikhnet/discussion.nsf/78f5a2ff8906d1788725657c00732d6c/2E9A5F0960AF97C1872571D40036E4F9!OpenDocument&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://fateh.sikhnet.com/Sikhnet/discussion.nsf/7...&lt;/a&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sundari, </p>
<p>For previous evidence of the same phenomenon. </p>
<p>See 2006 Jakara Women&#039;s Online Survey: </p>
<p><a href="http://fateh.sikhnet.com/Sikhnet/discussion.nsf/78f5a2ff8906d1788725657c00732d6c/2E9A5F0960AF97C1872571D40036E4F9!OpenDocument" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://fateh.sikhnet.com/Sikhnet/discussion.nsf/7.." rel="nofollow">http://fateh.sikhnet.com/Sikhnet/discussion.nsf/7..</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Sundari</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sundari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 22:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to clarify, the article stated that there were between 15,000 - 20,000 abandoned brides in India.  It does not state that these brides are soley Sikh.  It does mention that these men come from the UK, US and Canada.  Another article from 2007 states the same statistic: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.macleans.ca/article.jsp?content=20070312_103160_103160&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://www.macleans.ca/article.jsp?content=200703...&lt;/a&gt; 
 
Whether 20,000 women have been abanonded or 20, it is still wrong and so i&#039;m a little baffled as to why this conversation is focused on the statistic rather than the issue at hand.  It is clearly a problem and the number should not distract from the impact it has on a young woman&#039;s life, her family and her future. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to clarify, the article stated that there were between 15,000 &#8211; 20,000 abandoned brides in India.  It does not state that these brides are soley Sikh.  It does mention that these men come from the UK, US and Canada.  Another article from 2007 states the same statistic: <a href="http://www.macleans.ca/article.jsp?content=20070312_103160_103160" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://www.macleans.ca/article.jsp?content=200703.." rel="nofollow">http://www.macleans.ca/article.jsp?content=200703..</a>. </p>
<p>Whether 20,000 women have been abanonded or 20, it is still wrong and so i&#039;m a little baffled as to why this conversation is focused on the statistic rather than the issue at hand.  It is clearly a problem and the number should not distract from the impact it has on a young woman&#039;s life, her family and her future.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Singh</title>
		<link>http://thelangarhall.com/india/holiday-brides-in-punjab/comment-page-1/#comment-28841</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Singh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 21:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Womans may try to potray themselves as victims; but in the end they are alway the winners given their genetic endowment&quot; 
 
++++++ 
 
Considering that there is gender disparity caused by female selective abortion, and women are on the sharp end of domestic violence, this clearly is just wishful thinking. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Womans may try to potray themselves as victims; but in the end they are alway the winners given their genetic endowment&quot; </p>
<p>++++++ </p>
<p>Considering that there is gender disparity caused by female selective abortion, and women are on the sharp end of domestic violence, this clearly is just wishful thinking.</p>
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