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		<title>By: Camille</title>
		<link>http://thelangarhall.com/general/mumbai-attacks-terrorism-has-no-religion/comment-page-2/#comment-9285</link>
		<dc:creator>Camille</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 15:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kaptaan, instead of trading in insults, perhaps take a thoughtful look at the forum in which you&#039;re commenting? The Langar Hall has made NO indication that we are an &quot;unbiased&quot; blog (which means what? A right-leaning blog? a blog with authors of various political orientations? a blog that conforms to the world-view you subscribe to?). This is a blog motivated by Sikh teachings, including a respect for all faiths and the refusal to promote intolerance or identity-based hatred. 

The thought that anyone would watch ANY news outlet (Fox, MSNBC, BBC, Al Jazeera) and not interrogate the framing of &quot;facts&quot; is more limited, in my opinion, than what I would call a measured and cautious approach to blame. Wouldn&#039;t it be good to know, really, what was happening here before pointing fingers? The truth is, we don&#039;t have ANY conclusive evidence, we just have rumors and the great bogeyman of Islam. &lt;strong&gt;I refuse to denigrate an entire faith community&lt;/strong&gt; just because some shadow group named the &quot;Deccan Mujhadeen&quot; has decided to claim ownership of a horrific and terrible orchestration of events. 

With respect to your comment on the identities of survivors and attackers, there have been mixed statistics and reports from mainstream news outlets. Muslim hostage have also been killed in this process. But it is more convenient, and less ethically or morally challenging, to paint this in black and white and to deny the suffering that ALL communities impacted by this attack are facing in the wake of these attacks. 

But beyond the identity of the people who did this or coordinated this attack, do you really believe that people who engage in terrorist acts are representatives of the faith communities? As a person of faith, I recognize that NO RELIGION tolerates violence against civilians or the innocent, and NO RELIGION tolerates terrorism -- &lt;em&gt;including Islam&lt;/em&gt;. I am more than willing to engage in a thoughtful and critical conversation on the multiple forces that promote terror and terrorist activity in this world (of which a corrupted use of Islam may be one of MANY factors), but I refuse to be so reductionist, so limited, and so stupid as to take a few phrases from the Quran and use it to misrepresent, skewer, or malign the teachings of Islam.


And finally, with your earlier comment re: the use of &quot;Prophet&quot; to refer to Muhammad -- this was a conscious decision among the moderators to show respect to the leader of another faith community, just as Sikhi has done over time. Obviously the authors of this site know that the Sikh Gurus are the only prophets we recognize for our practice of the faith, but we also recognize that Sikhi&#039;s call for religious tolerance and the equality of faiths requires an acknowledgment of the existence of other prophets and a basic level of respect for followers of those faith traditions.

If you find a more tolerant or measured analytical approach tiresome or frustrating, you are welcome to start your own blog, on which you can include any number of hateful comments, insinuations or reductionist arguments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kaptaan, instead of trading in insults, perhaps take a thoughtful look at the forum in which you&#8217;re commenting? The Langar Hall has made NO indication that we are an &#8220;unbiased&#8221; blog (which means what? A right-leaning blog? a blog with authors of various political orientations? a blog that conforms to the world-view you subscribe to?). This is a blog motivated by Sikh teachings, including a respect for all faiths and the refusal to promote intolerance or identity-based hatred. </p>
<p>The thought that anyone would watch ANY news outlet (Fox, MSNBC, BBC, Al Jazeera) and not interrogate the framing of &#8220;facts&#8221; is more limited, in my opinion, than what I would call a measured and cautious approach to blame. Wouldn&#8217;t it be good to know, really, what was happening here before pointing fingers? The truth is, we don&#8217;t have ANY conclusive evidence, we just have rumors and the great bogeyman of Islam. <strong>I refuse to denigrate an entire faith community</strong> just because some shadow group named the &#8220;Deccan Mujhadeen&#8221; has decided to claim ownership of a horrific and terrible orchestration of events. </p>
<p>With respect to your comment on the identities of survivors and attackers, there have been mixed statistics and reports from mainstream news outlets. Muslim hostage have also been killed in this process. But it is more convenient, and less ethically or morally challenging, to paint this in black and white and to deny the suffering that ALL communities impacted by this attack are facing in the wake of these attacks. </p>
<p>But beyond the identity of the people who did this or coordinated this attack, do you really believe that people who engage in terrorist acts are representatives of the faith communities? As a person of faith, I recognize that NO RELIGION tolerates violence against civilians or the innocent, and NO RELIGION tolerates terrorism &#8212; <em>including Islam</em>. I am more than willing to engage in a thoughtful and critical conversation on the multiple forces that promote terror and terrorist activity in this world (of which a corrupted use of Islam may be one of MANY factors), but I refuse to be so reductionist, so limited, and so stupid as to take a few phrases from the Quran and use it to misrepresent, skewer, or malign the teachings of Islam.</p>
<p>And finally, with your earlier comment re: the use of &#8220;Prophet&#8221; to refer to Muhammad &#8212; this was a conscious decision among the moderators to show respect to the leader of another faith community, just as Sikhi has done over time. Obviously the authors of this site know that the Sikh Gurus are the only prophets we recognize for our practice of the faith, but we also recognize that Sikhi&#8217;s call for religious tolerance and the equality of faiths requires an acknowledgment of the existence of other prophets and a basic level of respect for followers of those faith traditions.</p>
<p>If you find a more tolerant or measured analytical approach tiresome or frustrating, you are welcome to start your own blog, on which you can include any number of hateful comments, insinuations or reductionist arguments.</p>
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		<title>By: UrbanGrounds &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Islamic Terror Attacks in Mumbai</title>
		<link>http://thelangarhall.com/general/mumbai-attacks-terrorism-has-no-religion/comment-page-2/#comment-9283</link>
		<dc:creator>UrbanGrounds &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Islamic Terror Attacks in Mumbai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 15:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] idiot at Langarhall writes, &#8220;Mumbai Attacks: Terrorism has no Religion.&#8221; Except that it does. It&#8217;s called [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Kaptaan</title>
		<link>http://thelangarhall.com/general/mumbai-attacks-terrorism-has-no-religion/comment-page-1/#comment-9280</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaptaan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 13:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Camille, you make an idiotic comment when you show your extreme bias by writing, &quot;instead of relying on an uncritical, Fox News-packaged bundle of screed.&quot;  Just because Fox doesn&#039;t subscribe to uncritical left wing bullsh*t doesn&#039;t mean they don&#039;t put out factual news stories. I&#039;ve noticed too many times to count how the authors on this site use those kinds of attacks against people whose views they don&#039;t agree with.. Don&#039;t you have any real counter argument to make or alternative way of expressing your opinion? 

You claim that the MUSLIM TERRORISTS haven&#039;t been identified as muslims, but what do all the FACTS point to? former hostages themselves who are muslims have been quoted as saying that the MUSLIM TERRORISTS only let them go after the MUSLIM TERRORISTS asked if they were muslims. The MUSLIM TERRORISTS also told those two hostages that they&#039;d killed the female hostages who had been previously held along with them after being taken away for being NON-muslim.

You seem to want to stifle any critical comments about Islam or muslims when they don&#039;t fit into your &quot;one world&quot; &quot;kumbaya&quot; point of view. Perhaps people like yourselves should remove your blinders to what is actually going on or is it that you would rather stick your head in the sand and wish or assume that there isn&#039;t a large group of people bent on your destruction in your midst.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Camille, you make an idiotic comment when you show your extreme bias by writing, &#8220;instead of relying on an uncritical, Fox News-packaged bundle of screed.&#8221;  Just because Fox doesn&#8217;t subscribe to uncritical left wing bullsh*t doesn&#8217;t mean they don&#8217;t put out factual news stories. I&#8217;ve noticed too many times to count how the authors on this site use those kinds of attacks against people whose views they don&#8217;t agree with.. Don&#8217;t you have any real counter argument to make or alternative way of expressing your opinion? </p>
<p>You claim that the MUSLIM TERRORISTS haven&#8217;t been identified as muslims, but what do all the FACTS point to? former hostages themselves who are muslims have been quoted as saying that the MUSLIM TERRORISTS only let them go after the MUSLIM TERRORISTS asked if they were muslims. The MUSLIM TERRORISTS also told those two hostages that they&#8217;d killed the female hostages who had been previously held along with them after being taken away for being NON-muslim.</p>
<p>You seem to want to stifle any critical comments about Islam or muslims when they don&#8217;t fit into your &#8220;one world&#8221; &#8220;kumbaya&#8221; point of view. Perhaps people like yourselves should remove your blinders to what is actually going on or is it that you would rather stick your head in the sand and wish or assume that there isn&#8217;t a large group of people bent on your destruction in your midst.</p>
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		<title>By: all things need unity (part 2; politics) &#187; if.only</title>
		<link>http://thelangarhall.com/general/mumbai-attacks-terrorism-has-no-religion/comment-page-1/#comment-9255</link>
		<dc:creator>all things need unity (part 2; politics) &#187; if.only</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 21:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] article which claims that &#8220;terrorism has no religion,&#8221; was torn apart- along with the global Muslim community- by commentators. There were people [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Satinder</title>
		<link>http://thelangarhall.com/general/mumbai-attacks-terrorism-has-no-religion/comment-page-1/#comment-9254</link>
		<dc:creator>Satinder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 21:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prem, thanks for a clear and sophisticated post on the issue of religion and terror.  We may also want to think here of a distinction between tribalism and universalism as part of religious thinking.  Tribalism tends towards insularity,intolerance, paranoia, and conspiracy theories.  Universalism promotes tolerance, accommodation, reflection, and open institutions.  All religions seem to share this polarity and this also gets reflected in the make up of nation-states.  While democratic nation-states tend towards universalism and propose human rights, the constituencies within continue being tribal and often want to deny such rights.  Thus making nation-states unstable.  So this is a tough one to solve. Can the Khalsa be a beacon of universalism and global citizenship as  posters suggest here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prem, thanks for a clear and sophisticated post on the issue of religion and terror.  We may also want to think here of a distinction between tribalism and universalism as part of religious thinking.  Tribalism tends towards insularity,intolerance, paranoia, and conspiracy theories.  Universalism promotes tolerance, accommodation, reflection, and open institutions.  All religions seem to share this polarity and this also gets reflected in the make up of nation-states.  While democratic nation-states tend towards universalism and propose human rights, the constituencies within continue being tribal and often want to deny such rights.  Thus making nation-states unstable.  So this is a tough one to solve. Can the Khalsa be a beacon of universalism and global citizenship as  posters suggest here?</p>
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		<title>By: Singh</title>
		<link>http://thelangarhall.com/general/mumbai-attacks-terrorism-has-no-religion/comment-page-1/#comment-9253</link>
		<dc:creator>Singh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 20:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s wrong to put blame on Muslims so soon. The Indian Government has been caught numerous times killing its own citizens in faked terror attacks to justify its persecution of its peoples. Needless to say, as horrible as this attack was .. will the international media also broadcast the plight of the general Muslim people in India when there is backlash? Also how does the international media pick and choose what horrible attacks happening within India are to be aired. Why wasn&#039;t the hundreds of thousands of Christians who were savagely attacked and displaced from their homes and families aired? Oh ya right .. they were only the dark skinned aboriginal peoples of the India .. besides they&#039;ve been oppressed for generations .. its nothing new ..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s wrong to put blame on Muslims so soon. The Indian Government has been caught numerous times killing its own citizens in faked terror attacks to justify its persecution of its peoples. Needless to say, as horrible as this attack was .. will the international media also broadcast the plight of the general Muslim people in India when there is backlash? Also how does the international media pick and choose what horrible attacks happening within India are to be aired. Why wasn&#8217;t the hundreds of thousands of Christians who were savagely attacked and displaced from their homes and families aired? Oh ya right .. they were only the dark skinned aboriginal peoples of the India .. besides they&#8217;ve been oppressed for generations .. its nothing new ..</p>
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		<title>By: rahim amirali lalani</title>
		<link>http://thelangarhall.com/general/mumbai-attacks-terrorism-has-no-religion/comment-page-1/#comment-9251</link>
		<dc:creator>rahim amirali lalani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 20:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well i feel &quot; to many people wer the title of a muslim but the dont practic islam&quot; islam is all about love and family and charity and praying to one god and we believe even a smile can be a charity and friends above all religion thr is human</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well i feel &#8221; to many people wer the title of a muslim but the dont practic islam&#8221; islam is all about love and family and charity and praying to one god and we believe even a smile can be a charity and friends above all religion thr is human</p>
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		<title>By: kaptaan</title>
		<link>http://thelangarhall.com/general/mumbai-attacks-terrorism-has-no-religion/comment-page-1/#comment-9246</link>
		<dc:creator>kaptaan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 19:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Admin Kaur: in your editing, why did you remove comments about Muhammad?? 

and secondly, why would you refer to him as a prophet?? 

He is NOT a prophet for Sikhs and you call yourself &quot;Admin Kaur&quot; so I would assume you realize that the only prophets Sikhs&#039; recognize are the Gurus themselves.

The author of the article doesn&#039;t seem to want to recognize the motivation behind attacks such as these are inspired by Muhammad himself and his religion Islam as professed by Jihadists.  If you are uncomfortable with the facts why are you posting?? Instead of complaining about potential backlash, Muslims in India have come out and condemned the attacks which is what they should do, and secondly I would suggest they make tangible efforts such as condemning these acts and people as non-Muslims in their Friday sermons. There is an obligation on the part of Muslims to be pro-active when they are saying that their religion is being hijacked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Admin Kaur: in your editing, why did you remove comments about Muhammad?? </p>
<p>and secondly, why would you refer to him as a prophet?? </p>
<p>He is NOT a prophet for Sikhs and you call yourself &#8220;Admin Kaur&#8221; so I would assume you realize that the only prophets Sikhs&#8217; recognize are the Gurus themselves.</p>
<p>The author of the article doesn&#8217;t seem to want to recognize the motivation behind attacks such as these are inspired by Muhammad himself and his religion Islam as professed by Jihadists.  If you are uncomfortable with the facts why are you posting?? Instead of complaining about potential backlash, Muslims in India have come out and condemned the attacks which is what they should do, and secondly I would suggest they make tangible efforts such as condemning these acts and people as non-Muslims in their Friday sermons. There is an obligation on the part of Muslims to be pro-active when they are saying that their religion is being hijacked.</p>
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		<title>By: Elliot Werner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elliot Werner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 19:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you think terrorism has no religion, read Infidel by Ayan Hirsi Ali, then see if you still think so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you think terrorism has no religion, read Infidel by Ayan Hirsi Ali, then see if you still think so.</p>
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		<title>By: Prem</title>
		<link>http://thelangarhall.com/general/mumbai-attacks-terrorism-has-no-religion/comment-page-1/#comment-9242</link>
		<dc:creator>Prem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 18:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Moderators&lt;/strong&gt;

Are you aware that &#039;Darry Whit&#039; in his comment at 6:44 am has linked to an Aryan Supremacist website? Selling neo Nazi, racist products?

My guess is that somehow this post got linked to in a neo nazi, white Nationalist forum. Hence the tidal wave of visitors with a certain, shall we say, perspective.</description>
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<p>Are you aware that &#8216;Darry Whit&#8217; in his comment at 6:44 am has linked to an Aryan Supremacist website? Selling neo Nazi, racist products?</p>
<p>My guess is that somehow this post got linked to in a neo nazi, white Nationalist forum. Hence the tidal wave of visitors with a certain, shall we say, perspective.</p>
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