Comments on: Moderates, Fundamentalists, and Now Orthodox Sikhs http://thelangarhall.com/general/moderates-fundamentalists-and-now-orthodox-sikhs/ www.thelangarhall.com Thu, 18 Mar 2010 17:23:34 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Youth Slate Victory in Surrey: Beyond Media Interference | The Langar Hall http://thelangarhall.com/general/moderates-fundamentalists-and-now-orthodox-sikhs/comment-page-1/#comment-28280 Youth Slate Victory in Surrey: Beyond Media Interference | The Langar Hall Wed, 18 Nov 2009 09:09:28 +0000 http://thelangarhall.com/?p=1232#comment-28280 [...] Guru Nanak Sikh Gurdwara in Surrey is especially noteworthy. We have covered the topic in the past a few times and the results seem to be in (again). The Youth Slate wins [...] [...] Guru Nanak Sikh Gurdwara in Surrey is especially noteworthy. We have covered the topic in the past a few times and the results seem to be in (again). The Youth Slate wins [...]

]]> By: Who’s afraid of the Big Bad Sikh? | The Langar Hall http://thelangarhall.com/general/moderates-fundamentalists-and-now-orthodox-sikhs/comment-page-1/#comment-19752 Who’s afraid of the Big Bad Sikh? | The Langar Hall Mon, 29 Jun 2009 10:07:31 +0000 http://thelangarhall.com/?p=1232#comment-19752 [...] I know Kim Bolan’s agenda and pay no attention to her.  However, how much do we add?  Like Chris Rock said, I don’t worry [...] [...] I know Kim Bolan’s agenda and pay no attention to her.  However, how much do we add?  Like Chris Rock said, I don’t worry [...]

]]> By: Camille http://thelangarhall.com/general/moderates-fundamentalists-and-now-orthodox-sikhs/comment-page-1/#comment-9469 Camille Fri, 05 Dec 2008 16:41:45 +0000 http://thelangarhall.com/?p=1232#comment-9469 I agree that the conversation is about which lexicon is ethical/respectful. I just draw the distinction between a faith community adopting its own terms/labels (the case with the Jewish community) versus having meaning transposed onto them from those outside the faith community. I agree that the conversation is about which lexicon is ethical/respectful. I just draw the distinction between a faith community adopting its own terms/labels (the case with the Jewish community) versus having meaning transposed onto them from those outside the faith community.

]]> By: Satinder http://thelangarhall.com/general/moderates-fundamentalists-and-now-orthodox-sikhs/comment-page-1/#comment-9467 Satinder Fri, 05 Dec 2008 16:38:24 +0000 http://thelangarhall.com/?p=1232#comment-9467 The terms listed: Conservative, Reform and and Ultra Orthodox are all of relatively recent vintage, nineteenth century. They emerged as the Jewish community left the Great Pale of Eastern Europe and walked into Central and Western European cities. As different members of that diaspora adopted different religious attitudesin places like Germany these terms arose. Sikhs too are confirmed in their faith through Amrit and are called Amritdhari Sikhs and this contrasts with those who are non-Amritdhari. So distinctions exist and many other shades besides, but the issue here is what lexicon is ethical and respectful. The terms listed: Conservative, Reform and and Ultra Orthodox are all of relatively recent vintage, nineteenth century. They emerged as the Jewish community left the Great Pale of Eastern Europe and walked into Central and Western European cities. As different members of that diaspora adopted different religious attitudesin places like Germany these terms arose. Sikhs too are confirmed in their faith through Amrit and are called Amritdhari Sikhs and this contrasts with those who are non-Amritdhari. So distinctions exist and many other shades besides, but the issue here is what lexicon is ethical and respectful.

]]> By: Camille http://thelangarhall.com/general/moderates-fundamentalists-and-now-orthodox-sikhs/comment-page-1/#comment-9466 Camille Fri, 05 Dec 2008 16:22:07 +0000 http://thelangarhall.com/?p=1232#comment-9466 There's a difference in using that terminology to refer to the Jewish Orthodox community, where that's an actual term for one of the methods of practice (along with Conservative, Reform, Hassid). It has a very different connotation and meaning when leveraged against a community that has no similar internal distinction. For example, if you undergo your bar mitzvah in ANY "division" of Jewish practice (I apologize I don't have a better term -- these are not sects or denominations, but if someone can provide the more accurate label I would be happy to edit/amend), you are confirmed in the faith. It doesn't change what kind of Jew you are. I think the analogy is comparable in Sikhi. Taking amrit does not change your faith basis itself; it confirms a commitment to a specific series of lifestyle and faith concepts. Concepts that exist across ALL Sikhs, even if not all choose to follow all parts at all times. I think this distinction is significant and shouldn't be cast aside in favor of throwing inappropriate Judeo-Christian terms on a non-Judeo-Christian faith. There’s a difference in using that terminology to refer to the Jewish Orthodox community, where that’s an actual term for one of the methods of practice (along with Conservative, Reform, Hassid). It has a very different connotation and meaning when leveraged against a community that has no similar internal distinction.

For example, if you undergo your bar mitzvah in ANY “division” of Jewish practice (I apologize I don’t have a better term — these are not sects or denominations, but if someone can provide the more accurate label I would be happy to edit/amend), you are confirmed in the faith. It doesn’t change what kind of Jew you are. I think the analogy is comparable in Sikhi. Taking amrit does not change your faith basis itself; it confirms a commitment to a specific series of lifestyle and faith concepts. Concepts that exist across ALL Sikhs, even if not all choose to follow all parts at all times. I think this distinction is significant and shouldn’t be cast aside in favor of throwing inappropriate Judeo-Christian terms on a non-Judeo-Christian faith.

]]> By: Satinder http://thelangarhall.com/general/moderates-fundamentalists-and-now-orthodox-sikhs/comment-page-1/#comment-9463 Satinder Fri, 05 Dec 2008 15:56:40 +0000 http://thelangarhall.com/?p=1232#comment-9463 Just read an interesting article in the New York Times on the Jewish Community in Mumbai. It freely uses the terms Orthodox and Ultra-Orthodox in describing the Jewish faith. Given that the Jews are a minority and the the Times has such high standards this item may be of interest. Just read an interesting article in the New York Times on the Jewish Community in Mumbai. It freely uses the terms Orthodox and Ultra-Orthodox in describing the Jewish faith. Given that the Jews are a minority and the the Times has such high standards this item may be of interest.

]]> By: kaptaan http://thelangarhall.com/general/moderates-fundamentalists-and-now-orthodox-sikhs/comment-page-1/#comment-9322 kaptaan Sun, 30 Nov 2008 23:43:28 +0000 http://thelangarhall.com/?p=1232#comment-9322 Balbir Singh Sooch, you might want to use the enter key when posting it makes your comment that much more readable if you break your thoughts up into paragraphs that have some coherent point. Balbir Singh Sooch, you might want to use the enter key when posting it makes your comment that much more readable if you break your thoughts up into paragraphs that have some coherent point.

]]> By: BUCHANGI http://thelangarhall.com/general/moderates-fundamentalists-and-now-orthodox-sikhs/comment-page-1/#comment-9312 BUCHANGI Sun, 30 Nov 2008 10:04:35 +0000 http://thelangarhall.com/?p=1232#comment-9312 SGPC is a hijacked body and therefore nobody ready will take notice of such a directive, espically in west hemisphere. Akal Thatkt Sahib needs to decide on the issue, who bby the way is also hijacked by SGPC itself. SGPC is a hijacked body and therefore nobody ready will take notice of such a directive, espically in west hemisphere.

Akal Thatkt Sahib needs to decide on the issue, who bby the way is also hijacked by SGPC itself.

]]> By: BUCHANGI http://thelangarhall.com/general/moderates-fundamentalists-and-now-orthodox-sikhs/comment-page-1/#comment-9275 BUCHANGI Sat, 29 Nov 2008 12:32:05 +0000 http://thelangarhall.com/?p=1232#comment-9275 Sikh youth should challenge people like these to open debates on tv and radio. People like Bolan and Dosanjh will have nothing to say when they get direct answers and asked questions by Youth. Sikh youth should challenge people like these to open debates on tv and radio.

People like Bolan and Dosanjh will have nothing to say when they get direct answers and asked questions by Youth.

]]> By: kaptaan http://thelangarhall.com/general/moderates-fundamentalists-and-now-orthodox-sikhs/comment-page-1/#comment-9248 kaptaan Fri, 28 Nov 2008 19:38:56 +0000 http://thelangarhall.com/?p=1232#comment-9248 Democracy and an open society aren't a given. They have to be fought for without compromise. Unfortunately this is not the case in Europe where civil liberties are going by the wayside as it integrates members of a religion that espouses non-integration. Self-censorship and the unchallenged use of sharia courts which inherently discriminate against women and non-muslims are the tip of iceberg. Most people are happy to just go along with whatever is happening around them. Hence, the formation of the Khalsa who for obvious reasons stand out and so can't just go along anonymously like joe or jane public. Democracy and an open society aren’t a given. They have to be fought for without compromise. Unfortunately this is not the case in Europe where civil liberties are going by the wayside as it integrates members of a religion that espouses non-integration. Self-censorship and the unchallenged use of sharia courts which inherently discriminate against women and non-muslims are the tip of iceberg.

Most people are happy to just go along with whatever is happening around them. Hence, the formation of the Khalsa who for obvious reasons stand out and so can’t just go along anonymously like joe or jane public.

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