Disputing Sikh extremism
The article below is a response to the growing [mis]representation of Sikhs in Canada. It’s an interesting article – let us know what you think.
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Reprinted from the Ottawa Citizen. Authored by Balpreet Singh.
As a Sikh Canadian, who was born in a Toronto suburb, roots for the Leafs, did law at the University of Ottawa, and works for a human rights organization, I’m astounded to hear claims from politicians that so-called “Sikh extremism” in on the rise.
If that’s the case, there’s no word of it among the more than 400,000 members of the Canadian Sikh community. The only thing we see on the rise is racism fuelled by these reckless comments.
As someone who wears the garb of his faith, I can tell you that the backlash we’re feeling is beginning to look like state-sanctioned vilification of Sikhs.
The evidence justifying this hate campaign is minimal. Most cite an offensive Facebook page attacking Vancouver MP Ujjal Dosanjh. I share his outrage and can understand his fear. Everyone knows Dosanjh’s personal history includes being beaten by thugs, and I sympathize with how that experience must have shaped his life.
But that doesn’t give him the right to turn Sikhs into the bogeyman. Or whip up hatred for a visible minority.
The other piece of Canadian evidence comes from 2007: a float in the Surrey, B.C. Vaisakhi parade displayed a picture of Talwinder Singh Parmar, who died in Indian police custody in 1992 and is widely believed to be one of the masterminds of the Air India bombing. What most people don’t know is that Parmar’s handful of supporters call him a martyr because they believe he is wrongly accused in the Air India tragedy. Some people, particularly of past generations, can’t believe anyone connected with the faith could be involved in a mass murder.
That makes them naive, not radical.
Perhaps the most persuasive piece of “evidence” comes from Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh who has been telling news media that Sikh extremism is on the rise for more than three years — although he offers little in the way of proof.
But his allegation is an effective tool for quashing legitimate discussion of India’s human rights abuses, which is the real purpose of India’s claim that the Sikh diaspora is harbouring “extremists,” particularly in England and Canada.
Both countries are known as champions of free speech and civil rights, which means human rights groups like the one I work for, the World Sikh Organization of Canada, can and do highlight abuses in foreign countries. That’s a problem for India as it seeks to rehabilitate its reputation and establish more trade in the West.
While India is a democracy — citizens vote — it lacks some critical liberal democratic values. The justice system is notoriously corrupt, there are few protections for minority groups, and the ruling government is just as likely to enforce its will with guns as parliamentary debate.
As Amnesty International’s 2010 report on human rights abuses details, Indian security forces continue to terrorize their own citizens. The report also notes India’s reluctance to prosecute those behind the 1984 massacre of more than 3,000 Sikhs that followed the assassination of then Prime Minister Indira Gandhi.
Canada has long been a leader in encouraging less developed countries to treat their citizens justly because oppressive regimes are ultimately unstable. That’s dangerous internationally and bad business for a trading nation like Canada.
So it’s shocking to hear Canadian politicians trying to erode our own free speech guarantees by labeling discussion as “extremism.”
Recently Dosanjh took a distinctly Indian point of view when he told the Toronto Sun that disagreeing with the authorities is a sign of a radical.
“(Extremism) is much more entrenched, much more sophisticated (than it was in 1985),” Dosanjh said, after the release of the Major Commission report on the Air India tragedy. “It is much more moderate in appearance than you might otherwise see. People run peaceful campaigns and behind the peaceful campaigns is the evil design to hurt other people and to dismember other countries.”
That’s an interesting view for a member of the Opposition to hold. Are we to assume that when the federal Liberal caucus campaigns against the Tory government they’re harbouring the urge to attack them with baseball bats?
We can trust they won’t because that’s not how we do it in Canada.
That the Sikh community has been linked to the Air India tragedy which took 331 innocent lives is a shame and sorrow the community will always bear.
But it’s also worth remembering that the Major Commission found that in the 1980s Canadian Sikhs informed the RCMP of terrorist activities — and were ignored.
Today, more than a generation later, even more Sikhs are Canadian-born and the community is fully integrated. To claim, “Sikh extremism is on the rise” without evidence is akin to linking Gilles Duceppe and the Bloc Québécois to 1970s FLQ terrorists.
To be blunt: Sikhs are a tight-knit community, if one of us was fomenting terrorism someone would have heard by now, and reported it.
But all we hear are accusations. And the warning to keep quiet about human rights abuses in India lest we be labeled “extremists.”
I plan to ignore that intimidation tactic. There is a long, proud tradition in Canada of encouraging foreign states to improve their human rights practices.
My organization will continue to stand up for Sikhs in oppressive states, just as we will continue speaking up for our fellow Canadians when their right to don a kilt or a hijab or build a succah hut is denied.
Despite what foreign politicians are saying, there is no evidence of Sikh extremism and Canadian Sikhs are much like the rest of the country: We don’t believe in violence (except at hockey games).
100 Responses to “Disputing Sikh extremism”
Being a British Sikh, I have little knowledge of the evolution of the Canadian Sikh sangat, however it seems to me a good thing that the community is critiqing itself (in the form of Ujjal Dosanjh). Is this not a sign of strong community?
It could a classic Hegelian Dielectric, the subsequent evolution of of Canadian Sikhi could teach the rest of the diaspora Sikhs the way ahead.
Being a British Sikh, I have little knowledge of the evolution of the Canadian Sikh sangat, however it seems to me a good thing that the community is critiqing itself (in the form of Ujjal Dosanjh). Is this not a sign of strong community?
It could a classic Hegelian Dielectric, the subsequent evolution of of Canadian Sikhi could teach the rest of the diaspora Sikhs the way ahead.
Sikhs, just an advice. Be aware of some people with Sikh sounding name who are rampant and out to influence Sikhs with their hollow, proof-less, biased statements with cosmetic language.
If someone's following Ujjal Dosanjh's related facebook pages would see how agents, Indian govt's or others', are actually showing up with their not so intelligent clandestine tactics.
Sikhs, just an advice. Be aware of some people with Sikh sounding name who are rampant and out to influence Sikhs with their hollow, proof-less, biased statements with cosmetic language.
If someone's following Ujjal Dosanjh's related facebook pages would see how agents, Indian govt's or others', are actually showing up with their not so intelligent clandestine tactics.
"..Some people, particularly of past generations, can’t believe anyone connected with the faith could be involved in a mass murder. That makes them naive, not radical…"
This line is classic and is often repeated by muslims as well…. "muslims can't murder innocent people" is their common retort. I am sure you realize that this line of reasoning just doesn't cut it anymore.
"if one of us was fomenting terrorism someone would have heard by now, and reported it." — Sure, no one has heard about it and reported it, so obviously terrorism is just a myth… Case closed. Now to the next campaign ?
Observer,
you do not need a certificate from anyone (inc this 'Hindu nationalist' as our paranoid friend Harpreet would like to paint me as) but CONGRATS for showing courage to call spade a spade. Terrorism in any hue needs to be condemned and I, being a Hindu-born, would like to condemn any act of terrorism or mass murder committed by a person becuase of his/her (Hindu) faith.
harpreet ji, please do not forget the atrocities committed by terrorists in the name of sikhism. call them mis-guided or revenge attacks or whatever but please accept there were tens of thousands of innocent civilians who fell victim to the violence let loose by sikh terrorists. Kanishka was one such atrocity. the victims (majority) may have been Hindus but they too were humans.
Sher
Sher
Sure Sher,
I understand that I don't need any certificate from anyone. Its funny how events are portrayed in such a way that some extremist activities are very sneakily condoned. Self proclaimed champions who can expose "hindu nationalism" start looking for "yes, but.." answers when it comes to sikh extremism. Its pretty straightforward but some either don't get it or are in complete denial. If you condone one form of terrorism, your condemnation of any other form doesn't sound very convincing, unless of course if your message is only for like minded people, but that is just preaching to the choir.
Now I'll just sit back and relax and watch Harpreet peel the layers and expose me.
@Observer, of course our good brain-washed friend harpy would not care to respond to fact-based posts. total denial as far as terrorism by our "brave (NOT!); punjabi kharkoos is concerned.
Sher
@ Sher (or Observer?): You don't want me to expose your eternal dirty tactic of camouflaging. Do you?
"Sher (or Observer)?"…. haha, here we go with conspiracy theories again.
No we don't want you to expose our eternal dirty tactic of camouflaging (whatever that means). Please don't, exposure makes me uncomfortable.
@ Sher
Can you please link to some of the atrocities committed by Sikh terrorists? I am not denying them, but as a diasporic Sikh, I have a hard time finding much in the way of "Here is a clear case in which Khalistani exteremists blew up a bus full of 80 Hindus on their way back from Naina Devi" etc. etc.
HNS:
I can understand that 'diasporic' sikhs have problems comprehending the scale of khali atrocities because there are too many so-called human right organisations zealously safeguarding 'sikh human rights' but none for terrorism victims.
here goes my friend:
BRUTAL MASS-KILLINGS BY KHALISTANI TERRORISTS – Partial List
(This tabulation of ghastly massacres at the hands of Khalistani terrorists is incomplete, to a large extent.)
Date Place Description of the Incident
Oct. 1983 Dhilwan 6 Hindu bus passangers killed.
Oct. 21, 83 Gobindgarh Massacre of rail passengers
Sep. 12, 84 Batala 8 hindu bus passengers killed
June 22, 84 Irish sea Air India Boeing 747 blasted by omb, all 329 passengers killed.
Feb. 86 Nakodar 15 persons killed and many injured in indiscriminate firing.
March 6,86 Kapurthala Many innocent persons killed in indiscriminate firing.
March 28,1986 Ludhiana 13 people (Hindus) killed in indiscriminate firing in Dresi ground
March 29,1986 Mallian 20 innocent labourers killed (Jalandhar)
July 25,1986 Mukatsar 15 Hindu bus passengers gunned down.
Oct. 31,1986 Ludhiana 8 migrant and local industrail workers, all hindus, gunned down in indiscriminate firing
on Daba road.
Nov. 30, 1986 Khudda 24 Hindu bus passengers gunned down.
July 87 Lalru 80 bus pessengers killed in Fatehabad on three Haryana Roadways buses.
Aug. 6, 1987 Jagdev Kalan 13 Hindus gunned down.
(Majitha)
Sep. 28,1987 Alawalpur 5 killed and 8 injured, firing near Geetha Bhawan.
(Jalandhar)
Oct. 20,1987 Delhi 12 persons shot dead at various places in Delhi on Diwali day.
Jan. 15,1988 Dhadial Nijhran 8 members of a family including 2 women and 3 children killed in this village near Batala.
Feb. 19,1988 Bombs exploded by Babbar Khalsa at Gurdaspur, Hoshiarpur and Patiala. 12 person killed,
over 50 injured.
March 2,1988 Bhaian 8 members of a family killed.
(Verowal)
March 3,1988 Kahri sahri 35 persons shot dead, 50 others injured, indiscriminate firing at a festival gathering.
(Hoshiarpur)
March 31,1988 Theh Rajbah 18 members of a Rajput family shot dead at village theh Rajbah under police station
(Patti) Harike, Sub- division Patti in Amritsar distt.
April 2,88 Ramgam 6 persons masssacred in this village under P.S. Gharinda. 18 more persons killed in other
(Amritsar) parts of Pinjab
May 15,88 40 persons gunned down, 100 others injured in different incidents at Samana, Patiala,
Jalandhar and Mukerian
May 16,1988 26 killed (3 member of a family, 3 bus passengers and 20 others) in Amritsar, Ludhiana,
Jalandhar and Gurdaspur.
May 17,1988 Kharar 35 labourers killed
May 24,1988 Dhaliwal 6 members of a family massacred.
(Nakodar)
June 19,1988 Kurukshetra 15 persons blown to pieces when a bomb exploded at a TV shop during the TV serial
Ramayana's telecast.
June 25,1988 Moga 26 RSS volunteers killed. 22 injured in an indiscriminate firing in Nehru Park.
Sept. 7,1988 Rure Aasal 15 rail passengers killed, 25 injured at Rure Aasal Riy. Station near Khem Karan in
Amritsar district.
Nov. 1,1988 Pathankot Bomb blast in a Jammu-bound bus, many killed or injured.
Nov. 1988 Majaat 32 Migrant labourers working on SYL Canal gunned down
Nov. 3.1988 Sufianwala 11 bus passengers killed by a BTFK gang. alighting them from a Dera Baba Nanak bound bus
killed all Hindus.
Nov. 4,1988 Lodhuwal 19 labourers shot dead at Govt. seed farm Lodhuwal.
(Ludhiana)
Nov. 1988 Batala 25 persons killed in a bomb blast in Chakkri bazar.
Sirhind Indiscriminate firing in bazar, many killed.
Pathankot Bomb blast near a tempo overloaded with passengers. Many including a woman killed.
Nov. 22,1988 Kaithal 25 persons massacred. 37 others injured.
(Haryana)
Nov. 22.1988 Batala 22 persons killed, many injured in indiscriminate firing in bazar on the eve of Guru Nanak
birthday.
Dec., 1988 Makhu 7 Hindu passengers kidnapped from a Chandigarh bound bus and killed.
….contd
Dec. 7,1988 Gujran 5 members of a marriage party killed in indiscriminate firing at Gujran on Zeera-Makhu
road.
May 21,1989 Chakk Kania 7 members of a family, including a CPI (M) leader Comrade Dalip Singh massacred.
BaggaKalan 4 members of a family killed.
Aug. 27,1989 Kabarwala Indiscriminate firing for 50 mintues on a train at Kabarwala, station, dozens shot dead.
(Abohar)
Oct. 5, 1989 Kandhwala 5 members of a family shot dead.
(Fazilka)
Nov. 1989 Patiala 19 Hindu students massacred in Thapar Engg. College who had come from other states to
participate in a youth festival.
Jan. 19,1990 Bahmanwal 8 massacred including 6 Hindus
(Majitha)
March 7,1990 Abohar 32 shot dead in indiscriminate firing in crowded bazar.
March 19,1990 Talwandi Bhai 14 persons shot dead.
March 19,1990 Chandigarh 6 persons killed, 27 injured in a bomb blast.
Nawan Shahar 11 persons killed in a bomb blast.
April 3,1990 Batala 36 persons killed in a bomb bias.
April 19,1990 Pathankot 15 pessengers killed, 40 injured in a bomb blast in a bus.
May 28,1990 Ferozepur 13 Bihari labourers shot dead
May 30,1990 Talwandi Bhai 10 persons massacred
June 4,1990 Patiala 8 including 6 children killed in a bomb explosion, 30 injured.
July 15,1990 Taredan 8 members of a family gunned down in village Taredan under
(Mamdot) Mamdot police station.
July 30,1990 Bidar 35 killed, 30 injured in a bomb explosion in a local cinema hall.
(Karnatka)
Aug. 8,1990 Ludhiana 9 gunned down in indiscriminate firing.
Nov. 5,1990 Batala 9 Hindu passengers shot dead in a Batala-Jalandhar bus.
Nov. 9,1990 Batala 5 Hindus shot dead after alighting them from vehicles on Batala-Pathankot highway.
Nov. 12,1990 Kothe Lal Singh 8 Hindus killed by KCF (Zafarwal) gang.
(Bathinda)
Nov. 15,1990 Ferozepur 7 Hindu passengers of a bus going from Ferozepur to Dharamkot shot dead.
Nov. 17,1990 Killianwali 11 RSS workers killed in indiscriminate firing on morning assembly.
(Dabwali)
Nov. 20,1990 Amritsar 12 killed in a massacre
Nov. 22,1990 Chandigarh 16 Hindus killed after alighting from two buses near Parhol.
Nov. 24,1990 Patti 5 Hindus shot dead
Nov. 25,1990 Jalandhar 15 shot dead in indiscriminate firing.
Nov. 26,1990 Ludhiana 5 members of a hindu family shot dead on Daba road.
Dec. 13,1991 Sedeke 5 Hindu passengers shot dead in Sedeke village near Guru Harsahai
Jan. 8,1991 Gill 14 Hindu kidnapped from different places, shot dead at village Gill near Ludhiana.
March 22,1991 Chandigarh 30 employees of Punjab Tractors Ltd. Foundry, all Hindus, shot dead.
April, 9,1991 Sewewala 18 activists shot dead 22 injured, indiscriminate firing on front gethering.
June 15,1991 Baddowal, 75 train passengers shot dead by KLF.
Kila Raipur
Nov. 9,1991 Sirsa 16 persons, all Hindus, shot dead
Nov. 9,1991 Faridkot 7 family members shot dead in a village in Faridkot district.
Nov. 17,1991 Rudarpur(U.P.) 12 persons shot dead.
Dec. 19,1991 Ludhiana 12 killed in a bomb blast in Bharat Nagar Chowk
Dec. 26,1991 Sohian 32 rail passengers shot dead at Sohian railway crossing in Ludhiana district.
Jan. 8, 1992 Kharar 21 industrial workers shot to death.
Kup Kalan
Jan. 15, 1992 Dhanaula 5 electricity employees gunned down at grid station.
Jan. 17, 1992 Samana 7 persons killed in a bomb blast
March 10-20 Ghabdan 75 persons gunned down in 4 separate incidents.
Ludhiana,
Ahmedgarh Factory workers from outside state at Ghabadan, general people in indiscriminate shoot out
twice in Ludhiana and once in M'andi Ahmedgarh.
June 25,1992 Kila Raipur 9 Hindus gunned down
July 13,1992 Bassian 7 Hindus, gunned down.
July 14,1992 Bathinda 7 Hindus, 5 Sweepers and 2 migrant workers gunned down in sporadic shoot out.
May 2,1992 Kadarvaad 7 members of a family among 8 killed in village Kadarvaad, police district Majitha.
May 3,1992 Sadarpur 10 persons killed, 3 injured in village Sadar pur, district Karnal.
(Haryana)
Numerous other such incidents.
i have copied pasted this info from the following link:
http://www.unp.co.in/f15/khalistani-terrorism-777…
Some info avbl here;
http://www.punjabtrauma.org/
Every sensible hindu and sikhs has condemned 1984 anti-sikh riots but not many sikhs have come fwd to do the same for mindless massacres mentioned above. hindus getting killed in a country where they are over 80% of population. hindus refugees in their own country (Kashmiri pundits). still hindus get blamed for every little issue minorities are facing.
do the minorities get the same treatment in Pakistan, bangladesh or, even, indian Punjab, kashmir and Nagaland? You answer that query HNS.
Sher
@Sher
Cool. Thanks for the research. It'd have been interesting had it not been published by "Surkh Rekha" which was the "armed Communist revolutionaries" and who considered themselves as Naxalites, routinely denouncing CPI as not extremist enough.
As per my other comment, there is no proof of who did these killings. I met a Hindu survivor from the Train massacre in Ludhiana in 1991 two days after the incident. He had a super lucky escape and we tried hard to understand who could have done that. And the complicity of the state was not ruled out.
"Every sensible hindu and sikhs has condemned 1984 anti-sikh riots but not many sikhs have come fwd to do the same for mindless massacres mentioned above." & "still hindus get blamed for every little issue minorities are facing."
Hmmm… Not sure what trauma you underwent but this is bordering delusional.
@iSingh
"It'd have been interesting had it not been published by "Surkh Rekha""
what!!!! You do not want to come out of your denial mode iSingh, thats your problem.
You too seemed to have lived through 'dark decades' when ruthless terrorists made life hell for anyone who dared to say "NO" to their ultra orthodox, talibanesque diktats.
more Sikhs than Hindus were killed by 'sikh' terrorists for non-conforming. as far as your doubt is concerned, there are too many evidences my friend. you cannot shift the blame away from your pet terrorists. You are against 'Surkh rekha" because the communists ("comrades") were among the few political ideologies which actively opposed khalistanis and lost many of their cadre in the process.
I also find it hard to understand how gory facts could be "interesting" if published by a diff (maybe 'panthic') source.
Clearly, you are rattled as you did not expect the ugly face of your singh kharkoos to be published this way. remember, these figures are "partial' as smaller incidents have not been included.
Also not included is the fact that there was massive migration of minorities from the punjab country side to other states or to cities.
Lastly, how do you expect me to provide the "proof"? do you need DNA samples of the killers?
There is absolutely no proof that Hindus participated in 1984 riots in delhi BECAUSE OF THEIR OWN FAITH yet the whole Hindu community has been branded anti-Sikh.
why people like you resort to such tactics and then ask for "proof" when 'own' crimes against humanity are exposed?
"… Not sure what trauma you underwent but this is bordering delusional."
Once again, you are being very selective in your observations. Can you say that to the alleged victims of state repression, anti-sikh riots, etc? Are the advocating bodies fighting for their rights "delusional" too?
Sher
@ Observer: Teach that to your pet organizations RSS, Bajrang Dal, Shiv Sena etc. Their terrorist activitties, now proved, is synonymous with social work to Hindus giving a reply to your above analogy. Here's a phrase for you to look out – "Pot calling the kettle black"! Observer, I wonder you are observing the rampan Hindu terrorism, with full proof, existing and becoming bigger and bigger in India and hideously running in Canada too through agent provocateurs.
@ Observer: I think you might want to enhance your knowledge and want to think with open mind next time you post your biased and ignorant comment. Did you know that RSS sanghi was the first official terrorist of the independent India, because Golwalkar was not convicted by police. Go figure out:
http://www.countercurrents.org/gatde130710.htm
http://www.sacw.net/article1522.html
Harpreet, don't get your kachera in a twist, relax. Screw terrorists of all religions.. bal thackeray, bhindranwale, hafiz sayid,…..
P.S. > I am agnostic, the phrase "hindu terrorists" doesn't do anything to me.
"..Some people, particularly of past generations, can’t believe anyone connected with the faith could be involved in a mass murder. That makes them naive, not radical…"
This line is classic and is often repeated by muslims as well…. "muslims can't murder innocent people" is their common retort. I am sure you realize that this line of reasoning just doesn't cut it anymore.
"if one of us was fomenting terrorism someone would have heard by now, and reported it." — Sure, no one has heard about it and reported it, so obviously terrorism is just a myth… Case closed. Now to the next campaign ?
Observer,
you do not need a certificate from anyone (inc this 'Hindu nationalist' as our paranoid friend Harpreet would like to paint me as) but CONGRATS for showing courage to call spade a spade. Terrorism in any hue needs to be condemned and I, being a Hindu-born, would like to condemn any act of terrorism or mass murder committed by a person becuase of his/her (Hindu) faith.
harpreet ji, please do not forget the atrocities committed by terrorists in the name of sikhism. call them mis-guided or revenge attacks or whatever but please accept there were tens of thousands of innocent civilians who fell victim to the violence let loose by sikh terrorists. Kanishka was one such atrocity. the victims (majority) may have been Hindus but they too were humans.
Sher
Sher
@ Sher (or Observer?): You don't want me to expose your eternal dirty tactic of camouflaging. Do you?
"Sher (or Observer)?"…. haha, here we go with conspiracy theories again.
No we don't want you to expose our eternal dirty tactic of camouflaging (whatever that means). Please don't, exposure makes me uncomfortable.
@ Sher
Can you please link to some of the atrocities committed by Sikh terrorists? I am not denying them, but as a diasporic Sikh, I have a hard time finding much in the way of "Here is a clear case in which Khalistani exteremists blew up a bus full of 80 Hindus on their way back from Naina Devi" etc. etc.
HNS:
I can understand that 'diasporic' sikhs have problems comprehending the scale of khali atrocities because there are too many so-called human right organisations zealously safeguarding 'sikh human rights' but none for terrorism victims.
here goes my friend:
BRUTAL MASS-KILLINGS BY KHALISTANI TERRORISTS – Partial List
(This tabulation of ghastly massacres at the hands of Khalistani terrorists is incomplete, to a large extent.)
Date Place Description of the Incident
Oct. 1983 Dhilwan 6 Hindu bus passangers killed.
Oct. 21, 83 Gobindgarh Massacre of rail passengers
Sep. 12, 84 Batala 8 hindu bus passengers killed
June 22, 84 Irish sea Air India Boeing 747 blasted by omb, all 329 passengers killed.
Feb. 86 Nakodar 15 persons killed and many injured in indiscriminate firing.
March 6,86 Kapurthala Many innocent persons killed in indiscriminate firing.
March 28,1986 Ludhiana 13 people (Hindus) killed in indiscriminate firing in Dresi ground
March 29,1986 Mallian 20 innocent labourers killed (Jalandhar)
July 25,1986 Mukatsar 15 Hindu bus passengers gunned down.
Oct. 31,1986 Ludhiana 8 migrant and local industrail workers, all hindus, gunned down in indiscriminate firing
on Daba road.
Nov. 30, 1986 Khudda 24 Hindu bus passengers gunned down.
July 87 Lalru 80 bus pessengers killed in Fatehabad on three Haryana Roadways buses.
Aug. 6, 1987 Jagdev Kalan 13 Hindus gunned down.
(Majitha)
Sep. 28,1987 Alawalpur 5 killed and 8 injured, firing near Geetha Bhawan.
(Jalandhar)
Oct. 20,1987 Delhi 12 persons shot dead at various places in Delhi on Diwali day.
Jan. 15,1988 Dhadial Nijhran 8 members of a family including 2 women and 3 children killed in this village near Batala.
Feb. 19,1988 Bombs exploded by Babbar Khalsa at Gurdaspur, Hoshiarpur and Patiala. 12 person killed,
over 50 injured.
March 2,1988 Bhaian 8 members of a family killed.
(Verowal)
March 3,1988 Kahri sahri 35 persons shot dead, 50 others injured, indiscriminate firing at a festival gathering.
(Hoshiarpur)
March 31,1988 Theh Rajbah 18 members of a Rajput family shot dead at village theh Rajbah under police station
(Patti) Harike, Sub- division Patti in Amritsar distt.
April 2,88 Ramgam 6 persons masssacred in this village under P.S. Gharinda. 18 more persons killed in other
(Amritsar) parts of Pinjab
May 15,88 40 persons gunned down, 100 others injured in different incidents at Samana, Patiala,
Jalandhar and Mukerian
May 16,1988 26 killed (3 member of a family, 3 bus passengers and 20 others) in Amritsar, Ludhiana,
Jalandhar and Gurdaspur.
May 17,1988 Kharar 35 labourers killed
May 24,1988 Dhaliwal 6 members of a family massacred.
(Nakodar)
June 19,1988 Kurukshetra 15 persons blown to pieces when a bomb exploded at a TV shop during the TV serial
Ramayana's telecast.
June 25,1988 Moga 26 RSS volunteers killed. 22 injured in an indiscriminate firing in Nehru Park.
Sept. 7,1988 Rure Aasal 15 rail passengers killed, 25 injured at Rure Aasal Riy. Station near Khem Karan in
Amritsar district.
Nov. 1,1988 Pathankot Bomb blast in a Jammu-bound bus, many killed or injured.
Nov. 1988 Majaat 32 Migrant labourers working on SYL Canal gunned down
Nov. 3.1988 Sufianwala 11 bus passengers killed by a BTFK gang. alighting them from a Dera Baba Nanak bound bus
killed all Hindus.
Nov. 4,1988 Lodhuwal 19 labourers shot dead at Govt. seed farm Lodhuwal.
(Ludhiana)
Nov. 1988 Batala 25 persons killed in a bomb blast in Chakkri bazar.
Sirhind Indiscriminate firing in bazar, many killed.
Pathankot Bomb blast near a tempo overloaded with passengers. Many including a woman killed.
Nov. 22,1988 Kaithal 25 persons massacred. 37 others injured.
(Haryana)
Nov. 22.1988 Batala 22 persons killed, many injured in indiscriminate firing in bazar on the eve of Guru Nanak
birthday.
Dec., 1988 Makhu 7 Hindu passengers kidnapped from a Chandigarh bound bus and killed.
….contd
Dec. 7,1988 Gujran 5 members of a marriage party killed in indiscriminate firing at Gujran on Zeera-Makhu
road.
May 21,1989 Chakk Kania 7 members of a family, including a CPI (M) leader Comrade Dalip Singh massacred.
BaggaKalan 4 members of a family killed.
Aug. 27,1989 Kabarwala Indiscriminate firing for 50 mintues on a train at Kabarwala, station, dozens shot dead.
(Abohar)
Oct. 5, 1989 Kandhwala 5 members of a family shot dead.
(Fazilka)
Nov. 1989 Patiala 19 Hindu students massacred in Thapar Engg. College who had come from other states to
participate in a youth festival.
Jan. 19,1990 Bahmanwal 8 massacred including 6 Hindus
(Majitha)
March 7,1990 Abohar 32 shot dead in indiscriminate firing in crowded bazar.
March 19,1990 Talwandi Bhai 14 persons shot dead.
March 19,1990 Chandigarh 6 persons killed, 27 injured in a bomb blast.
Nawan Shahar 11 persons killed in a bomb blast.
April 3,1990 Batala 36 persons killed in a bomb bias.
April 19,1990 Pathankot 15 pessengers killed, 40 injured in a bomb blast in a bus.
May 28,1990 Ferozepur 13 Bihari labourers shot dead
May 30,1990 Talwandi Bhai 10 persons massacred
June 4,1990 Patiala 8 including 6 children killed in a bomb explosion, 30 injured.
July 15,1990 Taredan 8 members of a family gunned down in village Taredan under
(Mamdot) Mamdot police station.
July 30,1990 Bidar 35 killed, 30 injured in a bomb explosion in a local cinema hall.
(Karnatka)
Aug. 8,1990 Ludhiana 9 gunned down in indiscriminate firing.
Nov. 5,1990 Batala 9 Hindu passengers shot dead in a Batala-Jalandhar bus.
Nov. 9,1990 Batala 5 Hindus shot dead after alighting them from vehicles on Batala-Pathankot highway.
Nov. 12,1990 Kothe Lal Singh 8 Hindus killed by KCF (Zafarwal) gang.
(Bathinda)
Nov. 15,1990 Ferozepur 7 Hindu passengers of a bus going from Ferozepur to Dharamkot shot dead.
Nov. 17,1990 Killianwali 11 RSS workers killed in indiscriminate firing on morning assembly.
(Dabwali)
Nov. 20,1990 Amritsar 12 killed in a massacre
Nov. 22,1990 Chandigarh 16 Hindus killed after alighting from two buses near Parhol.
Nov. 24,1990 Patti 5 Hindus shot dead
Nov. 25,1990 Jalandhar 15 shot dead in indiscriminate firing.
Nov. 26,1990 Ludhiana 5 members of a hindu family shot dead on Daba road.
Dec. 13,1991 Sedeke 5 Hindu passengers shot dead in Sedeke village near Guru Harsahai
Jan. 8,1991 Gill 14 Hindu kidnapped from different places, shot dead at village Gill near Ludhiana.
March 22,1991 Chandigarh 30 employees of Punjab Tractors Ltd. Foundry, all Hindus, shot dead.
April, 9,1991 Sewewala 18 activists shot dead 22 injured, indiscriminate firing on front gethering.
June 15,1991 Baddowal, 75 train passengers shot dead by KLF.
Kila Raipur
Nov. 9,1991 Sirsa 16 persons, all Hindus, shot dead
Nov. 9,1991 Faridkot 7 family members shot dead in a village in Faridkot district.
Nov. 17,1991 Rudarpur(U.P.) 12 persons shot dead.
Dec. 19,1991 Ludhiana 12 killed in a bomb blast in Bharat Nagar Chowk
Dec. 26,1991 Sohian 32 rail passengers shot dead at Sohian railway crossing in Ludhiana district.
Jan. 8, 1992 Kharar 21 industrial workers shot to death.
Kup Kalan
Jan. 15, 1992 Dhanaula 5 electricity employees gunned down at grid station.
Jan. 17, 1992 Samana 7 persons killed in a bomb blast
March 10-20 Ghabdan 75 persons gunned down in 4 separate incidents.
Ludhiana,
Ahmedgarh Factory workers from outside state at Ghabadan, general people in indiscriminate shoot out
twice in Ludhiana and once in M'andi Ahmedgarh.
June 25,1992 Kila Raipur 9 Hindus gunned down
July 13,1992 Bassian 7 Hindus, gunned down.
July 14,1992 Bathinda 7 Hindus, 5 Sweepers and 2 migrant workers gunned down in sporadic shoot out.
May 2,1992 Kadarvaad 7 members of a family among 8 killed in village Kadarvaad, police district Majitha.
May 3,1992 Sadarpur 10 persons killed, 3 injured in village Sadar pur, district Karnal.
(Haryana)
Numerous other such incidents.
i have copied pasted this info from the following link:
http://www.unp.co.in/f15/khalistani-terrorism-777…
Some info avbl here;
http://www.punjabtrauma.org/
Every sensible hindu and sikhs has condemned 1984 anti-sikh riots but not many sikhs have come fwd to do the same for mindless massacres mentioned above. hindus getting killed in a country where they are over 80% of population. hindus refugees in their own country (Kashmiri pundits). still hindus get blamed for every little issue minorities are facing.
do the minorities get the same treatment in Pakistan, bangladesh or, even, indian Punjab, kashmir and Nagaland? You answer that query HNS.
Sher
@Sher
Cool. Thanks for the research. It'd have been interesting had it not been published by "Surkh Rekha" which was the "armed Communist revolutionaries" and who considered themselves as Naxalites, routinely denouncing CPI as not extremist enough.
As per my other comment, there is no proof of who did these killings. I met a Hindu survivor from the Train massacre in Ludhiana in 1991 two days after the incident. He had a super lucky escape and we tried hard to understand who could have done that. And the complicity of the state was not ruled out.
"Every sensible hindu and sikhs has condemned 1984 anti-sikh riots but not many sikhs have come fwd to do the same for mindless massacres mentioned above." & "still hindus get blamed for every little issue minorities are facing."
Hmmm… Not sure what trauma you underwent but this is bordering delusional.
@iSingh
"It'd have been interesting had it not been published by "Surkh Rekha""
what!!!! You do not want to come out of your denial mode iSingh, thats your problem.
You too seemed to have lived through 'dark decades' when ruthless terrorists made life hell for anyone who dared to say "NO" to their ultra orthodox, talibanesque diktats.
more Sikhs than Hindus were killed by 'sikh' terrorists for non-conforming. as far as your doubt is concerned, there are too many evidences my friend. you cannot shift the blame away from your pet terrorists. You are against 'Surkh rekha" because the communists ("comrades") were among the few political ideologies which actively opposed khalistanis and lost many of their cadre in the process.
I also find it hard to understand how gory facts could be "interesting" if published by a diff (maybe 'panthic') source.
Clearly, you are rattled as you did not expect the ugly face of your singh kharkoos to be published this way. remember, these figures are "partial' as smaller incidents have not been included.
Also not included is the fact that there was massive migration of minorities from the punjab country side to other states or to cities.
Lastly, how do you expect me to provide the "proof"? do you need DNA samples of the killers?
There is absolutely no proof that Hindus participated in 1984 riots in delhi BECAUSE OF THEIR OWN FAITH yet the whole Hindu community has been branded anti-Sikh.
why people like you resort to such tactics and then ask for "proof" when 'own' crimes against humanity are exposed?
"… Not sure what trauma you underwent but this is bordering delusional."
Once again, you are being very selective in your observations. Can you say that to the alleged victims of state repression, anti-sikh riots, etc? Are the advocating bodies fighting for their rights "delusional" too?
Sher
Sure Sher,
I understand that I don't need any certificate from anyone. Its funny how events are portrayed in such a way that some extremist activities are very sneakily condoned. Self proclaimed champions who can expose "hindu nationalism" start looking for "yes, but.." answers when it comes to sikh extremism. Its pretty straightforward but some either don't get it or are in complete denial. If you condone one form of terrorism, your condemnation of any other form doesn't sound very convincing, unless of course if your message is only for like minded people, but that is just preaching to the choir.
Now I'll just sit back and relax and watch Harpreet peel the layers and expose me.
@Observer, of course our good brain-washed friend harpy would not care to respond to fact-based posts. total denial as far as terrorism by our "brave (NOT!); punjabi kharkoos is concerned.
Sher
How there is a jump in use of language. Wow, I'm not surprised. Even if you are agnostic, you should be wise enough to quote all forms and religions when speaking terrorism from religious point of view. BTW you're doing harm to your camouflaged image by 'exposing' yourself with your comments.
Observer/Harpreet,
Thats what i said few minutes back in far less colourful way :):
screw the terrorist bastards of any hue. every human has right to live and anyone violating that supreme right needs to be condemned.
Sher
@ Observer: Teach that to your pet organizations RSS, Bajrang Dal, Shiv Sena etc. Their terrorist activitties, now proved, is synonymous with social work to Hindus giving a reply to your above analogy. Here's a phrase for you to look out – "Pot calling the kettle black"! Observer, I wonder you are observing the rampan Hindu terrorism, with full proof, existing and becoming bigger and bigger in India and hideously running in Canada too through agent provocateurs.
@ Observer: I think you might want to enhance your knowledge and want to think with open mind next time you post your biased and ignorant comment. Did you know that RSS sanghi was the first official terrorist of the independent India, because Golwalkar was not convicted by police. Go figure out:
http://www.countercurrents.org/gatde130710.htm
http://www.sacw.net/article1522.html
Harpreet, don't get your kachera in a twist, relax. Screw terrorists of all religions.. bal thackeray, bhindranwale, hafiz sayid,…..
P.S. > I am agnostic, the phrase "hindu terrorists" doesn't do anything to me.
This article is a lame ass attempt at PR. Notice how the author just mentions Parmar's name as the only issue with the parade and adds " died in Indian police custody" for good measure, hoping to get some sympathies for the so called handful of "naive, not radical" supporters. Maybe the author missed the folks supporting ISYF t-shirts, a group banned in Canada. Maybe those folks were naive too, they didn't realize what that stood for. Premier Gordon Campbell refused to attend as well… hmm… wonder why.
@ Observer: Are you an ignorant wimp running away from what's presented to you above. I'm gone now for your staunchly one sided baised thoughts. You further the feeling of how wrong and anti-Sikh the Hindu Nationalists are!!!!
Haha Harpreet, don't leave me by myself, I'll miss this conversation….. not. Don't let the door hit you on your way out.
"feeling of how wrong and anti-Sikh the Hindu Nationalists are.." – so discussing sikh extremism equates to being anti sikh panth ? Now wouldn't that be only true if the panth itself sanctioned this extremism and stood for it in toto ? Now now, you are the one sounding like an ignorant kid, assuming that the whole religion agrees with your views. Grow up kid.
How there is a jump in use of language. Wow, I'm not surprised. Even if you are agnostic, you should be wise enough to quote all forms and religions when speaking terrorism from religious point of view. BTW you're doing harm to your camouflaged image by 'exposing' yourself with your comments.
Harpreet,
You are like that Energizer bunny who would not give up. You have absolutely NO ARGUMENT, NO CITATIONS, NO KNOWLEDGE but still shooting broadsides against anyone who dares to show you some daylight.
Come out of your hiding Harpreet….there is no war going on. Hindu nationalists never landed on canadian (or wherever you live) shores with sophisticated weaponry so it is safe to crawl out from under your rock.
As far as this TLH article is concerned, all the counter argument one may like to give to Balpreet have already been published in this 2007 article :
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/sikh-politics-c…
I would like to echo the views expressed by Tarek Fateh in the concluding part of the article:
"These guys have figured out Canadian politics," he said. "It takes one guy with an exotic-looking dress, a big beard or a huge headdress to say, 'Mr. member of Parliament, we will work to defeat you, or we will deliver you 10,000 votes.'
Canadian politicians do not realize that the struggle for Khalistan was extremely violent and that it has no support in India, Fatah said.
"Why would somebody come to this country and want unity of Canada but the breakup of India? Does any politician have the guts to ask these Khalistanis, 'What is it that you are looking for that you didn't find in the bloodbath of 1947, when India was first divided?'"
Very well said Tarek.
Now waiting for more of Harpreet sling-shots.
Sher
"Dude, you cut out a portion of statement and present what suits you. Statements in half can be misleading and often dangerous to be precise"
Oh, the age old excuses, 'I have been misquoted', 'my statement has been taken out of context'… haven't we heard them all.
Observer/Harpreet,
Thats what i said few minutes back in far less colourful way :):
screw the terrorist bastards of any hue. every human has right to live and anyone violating that supreme right needs to be condemned.
Sher
Observer,
sorry mate, who this last post is aimed at?
"Dude, you cut out a portion of statement and present what suits you. Statements in half can be misleading and often dangerous to be precise"
????
Sher
ooopsie daisies… i didnt read previous Harpy posts
Sher
This article is a lame ass attempt at PR. Notice how the author just mentions Parmar's name as the only issue with the parade and adds " died in Indian police custody" for good measure, hoping to get some sympathies for the so called handful of "naive, not radical" supporters. Maybe the author missed the folks supporting ISYF t-shirts, a group banned in Canada. Maybe those folks were naive too, they didn't realize what that stood for. Premier Gordon Campbell refused to attend as well… hmm… wonder why.
@ Observer: Are you an ignorant wimp running away from what's presented to you above. I'm gone now for your staunchly one sided baised thoughts. You further the feeling of how wrong and anti-Sikh the Hindu Nationalists are!!!!
Haha Harpreet, don't leave me by myself, I'll miss this conversation….. not. Don't let the door hit you on your way out.
"feeling of how wrong and anti-Sikh the Hindu Nationalists are.." – so discussing sikh extremism equates to being anti sikh panth ? Now wouldn't that be only true if the panth itself sanctioned this extremism and stood for it in toto ? Now now, you are the one sounding like an ignorant kid, assuming that the whole religion agrees with your views. Grow up kid.
@ Observer: Dude, you cut out a portion of statement and present what suits you. Statements in half can be misleading and often dangerous to be precise. Keep whining and satisfying yourself. Good night!
@ Observer: Dude, you cut out a portion of statement and present what suits you. Statements in half can be misleading and often dangerous to be precise. Keep whining and satisfying yourself. Good night!
Harpreet,
You are like that Energizer bunny who would not give up. You have absolutely NO ARGUMENT, NO CITATIONS, NO KNOWLEDGE but still shooting broadsides against anyone who dares to show you some daylight.
Come out of your hiding Harpreet….there is no war going on. Hindu nationalists never landed on canadian (or wherever you live) shores with sophisticated weaponry so it is safe to crawl out from under your rock.
As far as this TLH article is concerned, all the counter argument one may like to give to Balpreet have already been published in this 2007 article :
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/sikh-politics-c…
I would like to echo the views expressed by Tarek Fateh in the concluding part of the article:
"These guys have figured out Canadian politics," he said. "It takes one guy with an exotic-looking dress, a big beard or a huge headdress to say, 'Mr. member of Parliament, we will work to defeat you, or we will deliver you 10,000 votes.'
Canadian politicians do not realize that the struggle for Khalistan was extremely violent and that it has no support in India, Fatah said.
"Why would somebody come to this country and want unity of Canada but the breakup of India? Does any politician have the guts to ask these Khalistanis, 'What is it that you are looking for that you didn't find in the bloodbath of 1947, when India was first divided?'"
Very well said Tarek.
Now waiting for more of Harpreet sling-shots.
Sher
"Dude, you cut out a portion of statement and present what suits you. Statements in half can be misleading and often dangerous to be precise"
Oh, the age old excuses, 'I have been misquoted', 'my statement has been taken out of context'… haven't we heard them all.
Observer,
sorry mate, who this last post is aimed at?
"Dude, you cut out a portion of statement and present what suits you. Statements in half can be misleading and often dangerous to be precise"
????
Sher
ooopsie daisies… i didnt read previous Harpy posts
Sher
"Sikhs are a tight-knit community, if one of us was fomenting terrorism someone would have heard by now, and reported it"
Really ??
@Sher et al
Did you not read the sensible post by @RSV which said that the situation in Punjab was a shade of gray. If you are against the concept of terrorism, why are you bantering using the word "Sikh" along with "terrorists" – the initial analytical insight you showed is now evaporating. Disappointed that you are turning into a troll. Sikhs suffered more than the Hindus in every aspect during the dark decades, and that too from the hands of Sikhs. And you totally did not bring up the mercenaries, land mafia, caste conflicts, neighborhood thugs, state etc who used the cover of "terrorist" for their actions. There is no religious basis in Sikh scriptures to inflict violence on other religions (I wrongly assumed that you know) and thousands of Sikhs had half Hindu extended families.
Violence for political or economic gain continues to be perpetrated today globally by individuals and organizations. The word "terrorist" is used by the state media to turn public opinion against the opposite party, anarchists, guerrilas, rebels, murderers etc. But that is a different discussion. For now stop playing the Hindu-Sikh card for the benefit of future readers who may chance upon this blog for information. Talk about something positive if you can.
@Sher for @Harpreet
"You have absolutely NO ARGUMENT, NO CITATIONS"
Agreed
Sorry iSingh I did not understand your disagreement on the usage of "Sikh terrorist". Why not? Sikhs suffered more…." i agree as i have seen the figures from the dark deacdes.
sher
"Sikhs are a tight-knit community, if one of us was fomenting terrorism someone would have heard by now, and reported it"
Really ??
@Sher et al
Did you not read the sensible post by @RSV which said that the situation in Punjab was a shade of gray. If you are against the concept of terrorism, why are you bantering using the word "Sikh" along with "terrorists" – the initial analytical insight you showed is now evaporating. Disappointed that you are turning into a troll. Sikhs suffered more than the Hindus in every aspect during the dark decades, and that too from the hands of Sikhs. And you totally did not bring up the mercenaries, land mafia, caste conflicts, neighborhood thugs, state etc who used the cover of "terrorist" for their actions. There is no religious basis in Sikh scriptures to inflict violence on other religions (I wrongly assumed that you know) and thousands of Sikhs had half Hindu extended families.
Violence for political or economic gain continues to be perpetrated today globally by individuals and organizations. The word "terrorist" is used by the state media to turn public opinion against the opposite party, anarchists, guerrilas, rebels, murderers etc. But that is a different discussion. For now stop playing the Hindu-Sikh card for the benefit of future readers who may chance upon this blog for information. Talk about something positive if you can.
@Sher for @Harpreet
"You have absolutely NO ARGUMENT, NO CITATIONS"
Agreed
Sorry iSingh I did not understand your disagreement on the usage of "Sikh terrorist". Why not? Sikhs suffered more…." i agree as i have seen the figures from the dark deacdes.
sher
@Sher
"Why not?"
Because then it becomes very convenient for people to compile a list of all murders committed in an area, during a specific period and assign them to the "Sikh terrorists" blinding the public to the idea that it could be Lallu Ram liquidating Kallu Ram to usurp his tubewell or Shamu Verghese eliminating Pandit Teenda Ram because he would not let him convert. Got the idea ?
isingh,
"Got the idea?"
No I did not. because gangs of khali cowards led by bhai ganda singhs and jhanda singhs always claimed 'credit' for such heinous massacres. heavily armed thugs of ISYF and BK are just two of giddar singh jathebandis who would never dare to face armed forces in a battle of equals but attack the weakest in the pecking order.
there are 100s of videos celebrating sikh terrorism on youtube. inflammatory speeches of that mad monk bhindran being sold openly in punjab…
your "Lallu Ram liquidating Kallu Ram to usurp his tubewell…." defense is sickening to say the least. while you teko matha in front of that "Sikh of the century" bhindranwala, remember someone can use the same analogy to describe 1984 riots. clean-shaven jhotta singh killed turbaned totta singh to usurp his wife.
you need help iSingh, seriously.
sher
@sher
Again, random, unsubstantiated rhetoric from you. Don't present your opinion as fact. Also, try to attack the argument and not the arguer.
You have an agenda and it was foolish on my part to assume that you were here for discussion.
In 2002, post Godhra riots, a Bengali researcher of mine went to Gujarat to get some information for his PhD thesis on communal violence. After 15 days, he returned in an awful state of mind, so much so that he shelved his PhD plans and left India within a month. Interestingly, what he said informally was corroborated by Tehelka in 7 years later – systematic planning against Muslim neighborhoods, role of land mafia, hiring of paid contract rioters and killers from UP and Bihar, political unrest to strengthen the vote back. That it could happen in 21st century India, flummoxed him.
But this is a standard operating model and has been used against Christians, Sikhs, Muslims, dalits, ramdasias etc in India and various other ethnicities abroad.
@Sher
"Why not?"
Because then it becomes very convenient for people to compile a list of all murders committed in an area, during a specific period and assign them to the "Sikh terrorists" blinding the public to the idea that it could be Lallu Ram liquidating Kallu Ram to usurp his tubewell or Shamu Verghese eliminating Pandit Teenda Ram because he would not let him convert. Got the idea ?
isingh,
"Got the idea?"
No I did not. because gangs of khali cowards led by bhai ganda singhs and jhanda singhs always claimed 'credit' for such heinous massacres. heavily armed thugs of ISYF and BK are just two of giddar singh jathebandis who would never dare to face armed forces in a battle of equals but attack the weakest in the pecking order.
there are 100s of videos celebrating sikh terrorism on youtube. inflammatory speeches of that mad monk bhindran being sold openly in punjab…
your "Lallu Ram liquidating Kallu Ram to usurp his tubewell…." defense is sickening to say the least. while you teko matha in front of that "Sikh of the century" bhindranwala, remember someone can use the same analogy to describe 1984 riots. clean-shaven jhotta singh killed turbaned totta singh to usurp his wife.
you need help iSingh, seriously.
sher
@sher
Again, random, unsubstantiated rhetoric from you. Don’t present your opinion as fact. Also, try to attack the argument and not the arguer.
You have an agenda and it was foolish on my part to assume that you were here for discussion.
In 2002, post Godhra riots, a Bengali researcher of mine went to Gujarat to get some information for his PhD thesis on communal violence. After 15 days, he returned in an awful state of mind, so much so that he shelved his PhD plans and left India within a month. Interestingly, what he said informally was corroborated by Tehelka in 7 years later – systematic planning against Muslim neighborhoods, role of land mafia, hiring of paid contract rioters and killers from UP and Bihar, political unrest to strengthen the vote back. That it could happen in 21st century India, flummoxed him.
But this is a standard operating model and has been used against Christians, Sikhs, Muslims, dalits, ramdasias etc in India and various other ethnicities abroad.
According to the article Sher posted, the CSIS collected sufficient credible evidence to link Parmar to the Air India Bombing. Now I know a lot of our conspiracy theorists will say things like "The article's writer must be an Indian government agent", "Evidence against Parmar was planted by Indian government agents", etc…but we seem to blame "Indian Agents" for everything from political trouble in our Gurdwaras to spoiled milk in the langar hall. I'm sick of the baseless excuses so many Sikhs make to give the impression that our community has no demons of its own.
As far as extremism in Canada goes, I would say that it may not be "alive and well", but it certainly lurks. You only have to look at those who support the likes of Babbar Khalsa (declared a terrorist organization by most Western countries) and its founders like Ajaib Singh Bagri (who advocated the killing of 50,000 Hindus).
It's a shame that we refuse to come to terms with our own evils.
According to the article Sher posted, the CSIS collected sufficient credible evidence to link Parmar to the Air India Bombing. Now I know a lot of our conspiracy theorists will say things like "The article's writer must be an Indian government agent", "Evidence against Parmar was planted by Indian government agents", etc…but we seem to blame "Indian Agents" for everything from political trouble in our Gurdwaras to spoiled milk in the langar hall. I'm sick of the baseless excuses so many Sikhs make to give the impression that our community has no demons of its own.
As far as extremism in Canada goes, I would say that it may not be "alive and well", but it certainly lurks. You only have to look at those who support the likes of Babbar Khalsa (declared a terrorist organization by most Western countries) and its founders like Ajaib Singh Bagri (who advocated the killing of 50,000 Hindus).
It's a shame that we refuse to come to terms with our own evils.
@Sundari
"growing [mis]representation of Sikhs in Canada"
Thanks for the interesting article.
The REAL issue for majority of Sikhs in Canada is not the influence of extremists – it is whether they can protect their kids against gangs and drugs. I have heard about many sikh families distancing themselves from other Sikhs not because they had extremist connections (a tea-cup discussion in the gurudwara walkways) but because they want to protect their kids from other Sikh kids. Gang wars and drugs will write the next chapter of Sikhism in Canada.
@Sundari
"growing [mis]representation of Sikhs in Canada"
Thanks for the interesting article.
The REAL issue for majority of Sikhs in Canada is not the influence of extremists – it is whether they can protect their kids against gangs and drugs. I have heard about many sikh families distancing themselves from other Sikhs not because they had extremist connections (a tea-cup discussion in the gurudwara walkways) but because they want to protect their kids from other Sikh kids. Gang wars and drugs will write the next chapter of Sikhism in Canada.
"it seems to me a good thing that the community is critiqing itself (in the form of Ujjal Dosanjh). "
—– ^ On behalf of all British Sikhs can I apologise for the pathetic comments made by Supinder Singh. As you know, we all have our share of nitwits. In the old days you used to have to pay a penny to see them in the freak show. These days, what with 'care i the community' they live among us and communicate with us on the internet.
Ujjal Dosanjh, is not only my pendu, but he is a restidar. I can quite categoricaly state that he is now and has always been an athiest communist….deeply mistrstful and hatefull of all religions….especially Sikhism. A man totally devoid of honour though. When it suited him……i.e to get votes to further his career…he used the 'sikh' card to great effect. When he no longer had any use for it though….he didn't just discard it…he threw it down, spat on it , broke its legs and called the police filing a false complaint.
A word of advice my dim witted coreligionists, I suggest that next time you engage in an ad hominem attack it might be worthwhile if you actually read the article in question and the post that you are attacking.
Only an egotistical prat could come up with a statement as fatuous as "On behalf of all British Sikhs can I apologise…" You do NOT represent British Sikhs, I suspect that the only Sikhs you might nominally be spokesperson for are those Sikhs with frontal lobotomies.
As for the statement you seemingly have taken issue with…"it seems to me a good thing that the community is critiqing itself (in the form of Ujjal Dosanjh). "; only a buffoon would deem this contentious, especially as i have explicitly stated in my post that I have no knowledge of the Canadian Sikh sangat and have based my comment on the article at hand (I trust you can at least read!).
What part of a community criticising itself do you have issue with? Would it be better if the Sikh sangat were a monolithic whole with no dissenting voices?
'Dosanjh' you really are a narrow-minded little scrotum; I pity the fact I live in the some country as you.
If you have no knowledge of the Canadian sangat then wouldn't it be wiser Supinder, to keep your ill-informed comments to yourself ? Just out of interest, do you also regularly go on NASA's rocket science forums and advise them to go to to Venus because you think its good to give all planets equal treatment ?…or do you reserve your misguided mis-informed comments for Sikh forums ? The fact that you add a disclaimer onto each remark you make…proclaiming your ignorance of the subject matter doesn't excuse your stupidity. There is, however, some good news for you : You've made a friend. 'Sher' has given a thumbs up to both your comments. If having the resident right wing hindu Indian nationalist bigot on your side is what you intended then its been an altogether good day for you. Muppet.
You complete moronic cretin!
I was commenting on the article at hand (what part of this concept do you not understand). What part of my post is actually contentious you paranoid prat?
P.S. You analogy viz a viz 'NASA's rocket science forums' is as ludicrous as your ranting posts.
Without wishing to cast aspersions on your English language deficiencies Supinder,do you actually know what a 'rant' is ? Look it up fella…..I'm pretty sure its something totally unconnected with refering to someone as a muppet and congratulating them on making a friend.
Dosanjh ji,
i would not comment on your views against Supinder's observation about canadian sikh community but may have a question for you. is it a crime to be an atheist communist? If yes, which one is worse: being an atheist commie or a cold-blooded khali terrorist?
also, you have to give it to UD the way he has stood for his …err ideology – opposition of Khalistani extremism spreading tentacles in Canada. He definitely is a cult figure and I would like to be considered as one of his fans.
Sher
Sher, is it not a crime to spout unsubstantiated accusations against any religious group, and threaten their members to keep quiet about human rights abuses in India (otherwise they will be labelled as “extremists)?
You are clearly a believer of this attitude (in your own words, you are a "fan"), which gives an indication of your twisted "nationalism".
Have to agree with isingh when he said about you, "…random, unsubstantiated rhetoric from you." You clearly have an agenda and it is foolish for people to assume that you are here for discussion.
Regards
Billi,
The accusations are NOT unsubstantiated. Thousands and thousands of pages have been written in judgments and reports directly blaming sikh extremist groups like BKI and ISYF for the atrocities like Kanishka. In a way the loonies among canadian sikhs CELEBRATE Kanishka as a great act of revenge against Hindus and India.
Revenge against Hindus for what? 1984 riots? Muslims, fyi, were also involved in big numbers why they are not blamed? 1947 partition massacres by Muslims of sikhs and Hindus is much bigger tragedy why it has not been named 'Ghalughara' or 'Nasakushi' by very knowledgeable Sikh gyanis so far?
It was Gurbachan Singh Talib – former head of SGPC who wrote a book named 'Muslim League attacks on Sikhs Hindus in the Punjab 1947' have a read as the book is avbl online.
As far as your misplaced hatred is concerned, Sikhs have portraits of cold-blooded killers like Talwinder Parmar and Bhindranwala in gurudwaras controlled by sikh ultras. your extremist leaders openly threaten democratically-elected politicians with dire consequences (and carry out threats too often, i must say), your radios, newspapers, blogs, etc; reek with venom against India and Hindus. There is no sympathy for innocent civilians killed by sikh terrorists in Punjab and other parts of India.
why? how do you think one can substantiate the accusations against a community group in total denial?
Yes, I am a fan of Ujjal Dosanjh. When would is start getting threats now? PATHETIC thats the word which comes to my mind for people like HS, Harpreet, etc
I can give thousand of youtube links about Bhindran, parmar, khalistanis, etc. i challenge him and others to back with verifiable links.
Sher
Sher
@ Sher: I wrote a long comment with lots (~30-40) videos of Hindu Nationalists' direct terrorism and their support in Sri-Lanka, Afghanistan and Pakistan. What to talk of India, everyone in World knows that. However, that comment was not posted by the moderator of that post. Here is for e.g. what your Canadian Advocacy Group's head writes in his youtube homepage – http://www.youtube.com/user/canhindadv
"Hindutva should rule Canada, since it seems to be the? only force capable of containing Muslim terror. As for Gujurat and Orissa:
The heroic self-defense acts of Hindus there in confronting Muslim fascism in 2002 and Christian fundamentalists in Orissa are a shining example of democracy and greatness. "
You want more, here are some random videos (because there are loads and loads of Hindu Nationalists' terrorist activity and committal of genocides and massacres videos) showing your original face. Everyone see them.
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http://www.youtube.com/verify_age?next_url=http%3….
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Keep watching them Hindus (whoever are here in this site or anyone raising finger at other religion). These videos are just a small example. Youtube is flooded with the atrocities committed by Hindu Nationalists. HINDU NATIONALISM IS THE GREATEST THREAT TO SOUTH-ASIA. YOU PEOPLE ARE THE WORST HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATORS AND DOERS OF GREATEST SINS, BOTH LEGALLY AND ILLEGALY. AS FOR YOUR REGULAR KHALISTAN RHETORIC, THERE WAS A TIME WHEN THE STRUGGLE SAW SOME VIOLENT EPISODES, HOWEVER TODAY IT IS TOTALLY DIPLOMATIC AND SILENT, IF ANY. PERIOD.
oops…some of the links didn't get convert to direct url link in previous comments. Here they are:
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http://www.youtube.com/verify_age?next_url=http%3….
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"it seems to me a good thing that the community is critiqing itself (in the form of Ujjal Dosanjh). "
—– ^ On behalf of all British Sikhs can I apologise for the pathetic comments made by Supinder Singh. As you know, we all have our share of nitwits. In the old days you used to have to pay a penny to see them in the freak show. These days, what with 'care i the community' they live among us and communicate with us on the internet.
Ujjal Dosanjh, is not only my pendu, but he is a restidar. I can quite categoricaly state that he is now and has always been an athiest communist….deeply mistrstful and hatefull of all religions….especially Sikhism. A man totally devoid of honour though. When it suited him……i.e to get votes to further his career…he used the 'sikh' card to great effect. When he no longer had any use for it though….he didn't just discard it…he threw it down, spat on it , broke its legs and called the police filing a false complaint.
A word of advice my dim witted coreligionists, I suggest that next time you engage in an ad hominem attack it might be worthwhile if you actually read the article in question and the post that you are attacking.
Only an egotistical prat could come up with a statement as fatuous as "On behalf of all British Sikhs can I apologise…" You do NOT represent British Sikhs, I suspect that the only Sikhs you might nominally be spokesperson for are those Sikhs with frontal lobotomies.
As for the statement you seemingly have taken issue with…"it seems to me a good thing that the community is critiqing itself (in the form of Ujjal Dosanjh). "; only a buffoon would deem this contentious, especially as i have explicitly stated in my post that I have no knowledge of the Canadian Sikh sangat and have based my comment on the article at hand (I trust you can at least read!).
What part of a community criticising itself do you have issue with? Would it be better if the Sikh sangat were a monolithic whole with no dissenting voices?
'Dosanjh' you really are a narrow-minded little scrotum; I pity the fact I live in the some country as you.
If you have no knowledge of the Canadian sangat then wouldn't it be wiser Supinder, to keep your ill-informed comments to yourself ? Just out of interest, do you also regularly go on NASA's rocket science forums and advise them to go to to Venus because you think its good to give all planets equal treatment ?…or do you reserve your misguided mis-informed comments for Sikh forums ? The fact that you add a disclaimer onto each remark you make…proclaiming your ignorance of the subject matter doesn't excuse your stupidity. There is, however, some good news for you : You've made a friend. 'Sher' has given a thumbs up to both your comments. If having the resident right wing hindu Indian nationalist bigot on your side is what you intended then its been an altogether good day for you. Muppet.
You complete moronic cretin!
I was commenting on the article at hand (what part of this concept do you not understand). What part of my post is actually contentious you paranoid prat?
P.S. You analogy viz a viz 'NASA's rocket science forums' is as ludicrous as your ranting posts.
Without wishing to cast aspersions on your English language deficiencies Supinder,do you actually know what a 'rant' is ? Look it up fella…..I'm pretty sure its something totally unconnected with refering to someone as a muppet and congratulating them on making a friend.
Dosanjh ji,
i would not comment on your views against Supinder's observation about canadian sikh community but may have a question for you. is it a crime to be an atheist communist? If yes, which one is worse: being an atheist commie or a cold-blooded khali terrorist?
also, you have to give it to UD the way he has stood for his …err ideology – opposition of Khalistani extremism spreading tentacles in Canada. He definitely is a cult figure and I would like to be considered as one of his fans.
Sher
Sher, is it not a crime to spout unsubstantiated accusations against any religious group, and threaten their members to keep quiet about human rights abuses in India (otherwise they will be labelled as “extremists)?
You are clearly a believer of this attitude (in your own words, you are a "fan"), which gives an indication of your twisted "nationalism".
Have to agree with isingh when he said about you, "…random, unsubstantiated rhetoric from you." You clearly have an agenda and it is foolish for people to assume that you are here for discussion.
Regards
Billi,
The accusations are NOT unsubstantiated. Thousands and thousands of pages have been written in judgments and reports directly blaming sikh extremist groups like BKI and ISYF for the atrocities like Kanishka. In a way the loonies among canadian sikhs CELEBRATE Kanishka as a great act of revenge against Hindus and India.
Revenge against Hindus for what? 1984 riots? Muslims, fyi, were also involved in big numbers why they are not blamed? 1947 partition massacres by Muslims of sikhs and Hindus is much bigger tragedy why it has not been named 'Ghalughara' or 'Nasakushi' by very knowledgeable Sikh gyanis so far?
It was Gurbachan Singh Talib – former head of SGPC who wrote a book named 'Muslim League attacks on Sikhs Hindus in the Punjab 1947' have a read as the book is avbl online.
As far as your misplaced hatred is concerned, Sikhs have portraits of cold-blooded killers like Talwinder Parmar and Bhindranwala in gurudwaras controlled by sikh ultras. your extremist leaders openly threaten democratically-elected politicians with dire consequences (and carry out threats too often, i must say), your radios, newspapers, blogs, etc; reek with venom against India and Hindus. There is no sympathy for innocent civilians killed by sikh terrorists in Punjab and other parts of India.
why? how do you think one can substantiate the accusations against a community group in total denial?
Yes, I am a fan of Ujjal Dosanjh. When would is start getting threats now? PATHETIC thats the word which comes to my mind for people like HS, Harpreet, etc
I can give thousand of youtube links about Bhindran, parmar, khalistanis, etc. i challenge him and others to back with verifiable links.
Sher
Sher
@ Sher: I wrote a long comment with lots (~30-40) videos of Hindu Nationalists' direct terrorism and their support in Sri-Lanka, Afghanistan and Pakistan. What to talk of India, everyone in World knows that. However, that comment was not posted by the moderator of that post. Here is for e.g. what your Canadian Advocacy Group's head writes in his youtube homepage – http://www.youtube.com/user/canhindadv
"Hindutva should rule Canada, since it seems to be the? only force capable of containing Muslim terror. As for Gujurat and Orissa:
The heroic self-defense acts of Hindus there in confronting Muslim fascism in 2002 and Christian fundamentalists in Orissa are a shining example of democracy and greatness. "
You want more, here are some random videos (because there are loads and loads of Hindu Nationalists' terrorist activity and committal of genocides and massacres videos) showing your original face. Everyone see them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-jNKBswMQI&fe…
. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKDDu93TpgM&fe…
. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7Jq_zb9x8s
. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfe03MrAwNE
. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKPKXv7PFxg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0z_Eh-XTF9M http://www.youtube.com/verify_age?next_url=http%3…. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYui70SwFGA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXFFQvWc4w4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIZqFLxxJeI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIZqFLxxJeI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaroVDiSeSw
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Keep watching them Hindus (whoever are here in this site or anyone raising finger at other religion). These videos are just a small example. Youtube is flooded with the atrocities committed by Hindu Nationalists. HINDU NATIONALISM IS THE GREATEST THREAT TO SOUTH-ASIA. YOU PEOPLE ARE THE WORST HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATORS AND DOERS OF GREATEST SINS, BOTH LEGALLY AND ILLEGALY. AS FOR YOUR REGULAR KHALISTAN RHETORIC, THERE WAS A TIME WHEN THE STRUGGLE SAW SOME VIOLENT EPISODES, HOWEVER TODAY IT IS TOTALLY DIPLOMATIC AND SILENT, IF ANY. PERIOD.
oops…some of the links didn't get convert to direct url link in previous comments. Here they are:
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http://www.youtube.com/verify_age?next_url=http%3….
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@ Sher: Did you take a look at these loads of terrorist activities and crimes by Hindu Nationalists as shown in these videos? You are big in rhetoric, and that too redundant and past ones which have no place now in Sikh community. There is no violence or extremism in present Khalistan movement.
"There is no violence or extremism in present Khalistan movement…."
:p That's because there isn't much going on related to khali movement except some internet kharkoos. Wadhwa Singh Babbar is allegedly sitting quietly in Pakistan, probably wags his tail when he sees his Pakistani masters and eats what's thrown in his plate. Most of the self proclaimed defenders of faith have been dealt with and the some are queuing up to return to India, hoping to get their names delisted from the blacklist. The Indian/Punjab govt. is doing a favor to their bruised egos, by repeatedly mentioning them as threats.
So in a way what you are saying is right.
H S
As I had observed before, there seems to be only one source of history, current affairs, khalistani extremism and every other conceivable info – YOUTUBE.
For you, Youtube is nothing short of the Akal itself – the virtual God.
If there is no video of an event which happened on 13 April, 1978 in Amritsar, it DEFINITELY did not happen.
As I wrote earlier, i can (and will) give scores of links about Sikh terrorism just cannot get time (or electricity) these days.
I had given a list of the events/terrorist acts of your Bhindran pansies (always attacked the unarmed innocent civilians) earlier. i would request you to compile a list of such acts by 'Hindu nationalists' . given such a huge population of Hindus, i am pretty sure these heinous acts would be negligible in proportions.
There is no violence…. jawab milega virtual kharkoo ji, jawab jaroor milega.
Sher
@ Sher: You are more rhetoric and hollow than actual and genuine seeker of fair and unprejudiced discussion. I think videos are the most authentic and close to real truth than some articles or opinions. However you will always keep on shouting and cry hoarse whenever someone shows you your saffron parivar's actual reality. Truth hurts, but learn to accept it. TO YOUR CRYING AND SPECIAL DEMAND, here are for your information articles and essays:
QUOTE
There is a concerted global effort by Hindutva groups to distort and whitewash Indian history to suit their false narrative which denies foreign origins of Aryans and evils of the caste system and misogyny that still characterize life in India.
Not only have the BJP led governments in India fundamentally altered India's history textbooks, the BJP allies around the world are attempting to the same in textbooks as far as California.
Here are some excerpt from "HISTORY TEXTBOOKS IN INDIA: NARRATIVES OF RELIGIOUS NATIONALISM" by K.N.PANIKKAR:
"The introduction of new textbooks by the NCERT (under BJP) was inspired by the political purpose of seeking rationale from history for constructing India as a Hindu nation. The textbooks were, therefore, recast as narratives of Hindu religious nationalism. Claimed as an effort to retrieve the true nationalist history from the motivated distortions of colonial historiography they attribute to Indian nation an exclusively Hindu character."
"During this period the political climate in the country turned in favour of the Hindu fundamentalist forces, which enabled them in 1998 to lead a coalition government in which the Ministry of Human Resource Development which dealt with education was headed by a long standing cadre of the Hindu fundamentalist organization, Rashtriya Swayam Sevak Sangh( RSS). Under his stewardship the government spared no effort to change the content and character of education, of which the introduction of new textbooks, was perhaps the most prominent and indeed controversial."
he fanatic Hindu nationalists tried to do in California what their Indian counterparts have already done in India. They attempted to pollute California history textbooks in 2006, when they argued unsuccessfully to include lies like the indigenous origins of Aryans and tried to deny the terrible impact on hundreds of millions of Indians of the caste system and misogyny prevalent in Hindu texts and Aryan culture.
Hundreds of history scholars from US and South Asia helped defeat this reprehensible attempt by Hindu American Foundation (HAF) and its allies in the United States.
While the biggest victims of Hindu fundamentalists are the women and the D alits of India, non-Hindu minorities and the neighboring states have not been spared either.
They are cowards and they prey upon unarmed Muslim, Christian and Sikh minorities in organized pogroms in what American scholar Paul Brass calls "production of violence" in India with many Indian intellectuals and some in Indian the press justifying the actions of the murderers.
The big brothers of these fanatic Hindutva terrorists occupy high positions in the Indian security establishment, according to former Maharashtra police chief SM Mushrif. These Hindutva allies in Indian government conduct covert warfare via terrorist actions in neighboring states including Pakistan through RAW.
All these people are a product of Indian education that teaches hatred against Muslims and Pakistanis, as evident by the following excerpts from Gujarat textbooks:
*Gujarat is a border state. Its land and sea boundaries touch the boundaries of Pakistan which is like a den of terrorism. Under such circumstances, it is absolutely necessary for us to understand the effects of terrorism and the role of citizens in the fight against it
*If every countryman becomes an ideal citizen and develops patriotism, the National Population Policy can definitely be achieved
*When people used to meet earlier, they wished each other saying Ram Ram and by shaking hands. Today, people enjoy their meeting by speaking Namaste. Is it not a change?
*Making full use of Muslim fanaticism, Osama Bin Laden organized die-hard Muslims and founded the International Jihad Organization in the name of the Jehedi movement*
[Excerpted from Social Science textbooks, standard nine (2005) and standard eight (2004)]
The Hindu fundamentalists are as serious a threat to peace in South Asia as their Muslim militant counterparts.
UNQUOTE
@ Sher: Did you take a look at these loads of terrorist activities and crimes by Hindu Nationalists as shown in these videos? You are big in rhetoric, and that too redundant and past ones which have no place now in Sikh community. There is no violence or extremism in present Khalistan movement.
"There is no violence or extremism in present Khalistan movement…."
:p That's because there isn't much going on related to khali movement except some internet kharkoos. Wadhwa Singh Babbar is allegedly sitting quietly in Pakistan, probably wags his tail when he sees his Pakistani masters and eats what's thrown in his plate. Most of the self proclaimed defenders of faith have been dealt with and the some are queuing up to return to India, hoping to get their names delisted from the blacklist. The Indian/Punjab govt. is doing a favor to their bruised egos, by repeatedly mentioning them as threats.
So in a way what you are saying is right.
H S
As I had observed before, there seems to be only one source of history, current affairs, khalistani extremism and every other conceivable info – YOUTUBE.
For you, Youtube is nothing short of the Akal itself – the virtual God.
If there is no video of an event which happened on 13 April, 1978 in Amritsar, it DEFINITELY did not happen.
As I wrote earlier, i can (and will) give scores of links about Sikh terrorism just cannot get time (or electricity) these days.
I had given a list of the events/terrorist acts of your Bhindran pansies (always attacked the unarmed innocent civilians) earlier. i would request you to compile a list of such acts by 'Hindu nationalists' . given such a huge population of Hindus, i am pretty sure these heinous acts would be negligible in proportions.
There is no violence…. jawab milega virtual kharkoo ji, jawab jaroor milega.
Sher
@ Sher: You are more rhetoric and hollow than actual and genuine seeker of fair and unprejudiced discussion. I think videos are the most authentic and close to real truth than some articles or opinions. However you will always keep on shouting and cry hoarse whenever someone shows you your saffron parivar's actual reality. Truth hurts, but learn to accept it. TO YOUR CRYING AND SPECIAL DEMAND, here are for your information articles and essays:
QUOTE
There is a concerted global effort by Hindutva groups to distort and whitewash Indian history to suit their false narrative which denies foreign origins of Aryans and evils of the caste system and misogyny that still characterize life in India.
Not only have the BJP led governments in India fundamentally altered India's history textbooks, the BJP allies around the world are attempting to the same in textbooks as far as California.
Here are some excerpt from "HISTORY TEXTBOOKS IN INDIA: NARRATIVES OF RELIGIOUS NATIONALISM" by K.N.PANIKKAR:
"The introduction of new textbooks by the NCERT (under BJP) was inspired by the political purpose of seeking rationale from history for constructing India as a Hindu nation. The textbooks were, therefore, recast as narratives of Hindu religious nationalism. Claimed as an effort to retrieve the true nationalist history from the motivated distortions of colonial historiography they attribute to Indian nation an exclusively Hindu character."
"During this period the political climate in the country turned in favour of the Hindu fundamentalist forces, which enabled them in 1998 to lead a coalition government in which the Ministry of Human Resource Development which dealt with education was headed by a long standing cadre of the Hindu fundamentalist organization, Rashtriya Swayam Sevak Sangh( RSS). Under his stewardship the government spared no effort to change the content and character of education, of which the introduction of new textbooks, was perhaps the most prominent and indeed controversial."
he fanatic Hindu nationalists tried to do in California what their Indian counterparts have already done in India. They attempted to pollute California history textbooks in 2006, when they argued unsuccessfully to include lies like the indigenous origins of Aryans and tried to deny the terrible impact on hundreds of millions of Indians of the caste system and misogyny prevalent in Hindu texts and Aryan culture.
Hundreds of history scholars from US and South Asia helped defeat this reprehensible attempt by Hindu American Foundation (HAF) and its allies in the United States.
While the biggest victims of Hindu fundamentalists are the women and the D alits of India, non-Hindu minorities and the neighboring states have not been spared either.
They are cowards and they prey upon unarmed Muslim, Christian and Sikh minorities in organized pogroms in what American scholar Paul Brass calls "production of violence" in India with many Indian intellectuals and some in Indian the press justifying the actions of the murderers.
The big brothers of these fanatic Hindutva terrorists occupy high positions in the Indian security establishment, according to former Maharashtra police chief SM Mushrif. These Hindutva allies in Indian government conduct covert warfare via terrorist actions in neighboring states including Pakistan through RAW.
All these people are a product of Indian education that teaches hatred against Muslims and Pakistanis, as evident by the following excerpts from Gujarat textbooks:
*Gujarat is a border state. Its land and sea boundaries touch the boundaries of Pakistan which is like a den of terrorism. Under such circumstances, it is absolutely necessary for us to understand the effects of terrorism and the role of citizens in the fight against it
*If every countryman becomes an ideal citizen and develops patriotism, the National Population Policy can definitely be achieved
*When people used to meet earlier, they wished each other saying Ram Ram and by shaking hands. Today, people enjoy their meeting by speaking Namaste. Is it not a change?
*Making full use of Muslim fanaticism, Osama Bin Laden organized die-hard Muslims and founded the International Jihad Organization in the name of the Jehedi movement*
[Excerpted from Social Science textbooks, standard nine (2005) and standard eight (2004)]
The Hindu fundamentalists are as serious a threat to peace in South Asia as their Muslim militant counterparts.
UNQUOTE
You know what, any Sikh who would stand to speak the truth of the neo-fascism and biased high handedness of the Indian Nationalist would prick you. That's the truth. True Sikhs would prevail. Laugh it out or cry out.
You know what, any Sikh who would stand to speak the truth of the neo-fascism and biased high handedness of the Indian Nationalist would prick you. That's the truth. True Sikhs would prevail. Laugh it out or cry out.
@ Sher: Your puking mouth uttered this – "…Nimrata ji, go back to school and re-read history."
When I showed you your true face through the below reference, you got away like a dog:
QUOTE
"In his engaging essays from The Argumentative Indian: Writings on Indian History, Culture and Identity (Farrar Straus and Giroux, 2005), Nobel Laureate Dr. Amartya Sen lucidly explains the strategy behind the attempts of Hindutva supporters to re-invent India’s history,…"
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However this is not your mistake because you DON'T THINK NOR YOU CARE TO SEE THE WORLD OUTSIDE HINDUTVA. YOU JUST ACT ON WHAT YOUR MASTERS AKA RSS [Radical, Satanic, Sangh] HAVE TAUGHT YOU – THE LESSONS THEY GIVE YOU ARE THE START AND ALSO END OF THE HISTORY CUM FACTS FOR YOU. YOU KNOW HINDUTVA AND NOTHING ELSE. PERIOD.
ENOUGH OF YOUR FALTU AND JHOOTE RANTS, LET ME SHOW THE TRUE FACE OF THE HINDU AND HINDUTVA TO THE READERS THROUGH THESE ARTICLES.
"http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/30/opinion/30FRIE.html" —-> YEAH BABY, THIS IS NYTIMES.COM SHOWING THE REAL FACE OF HINDU PROPAGANDISTS
"http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/jun/15/india.schoolsworldwide" —> AND THIS IS GUARDIAN.CO.UK SHOWING THE TRUE COLOURS OF HINDUS
"http://www.atimes.com/ind-pak/AJ30Df02.html"
"http://india-facts.com/news/hindu-terror/20081225104/indias-hindu-groups-three-bodies-one-soul/"
"http://indianterrorism.bravepages.com/extremist%20funding.htm" —> HINDU EXTREMIST GROUPS RECEIVING FUNDS FROM HINDUS IN EUROPE AND NORTH AMERICA
"http://www.hindu.com/2007/02/14/stories/2007021415630400.htm" —-> SEE HOW HINDUS ARE PROMOTING HATRED AGAINST DALITS AND MINORITIES IN STATE FUNDED SCHOOLS
THERE ARE SO MANY NEWS ARTICLES AND OPINIONS ABOUT THE HINDUS AND HINDUTVA CHANGING HISTORY, OR SPREADING HATRED AGAINST MINORITIES, FURTHERING THEIR PROPAGANDA IN INDIA THROUGH GOVERNMENT MACHINERY….just read these below links which contain links to multiple such fact based opinions and articles.
"http://www.sacw.net/HateEducation/index.html"
"http://indianterrorism.bravepages.com/hindufundamentalismindex.htm"
@ Sher: IF YOU HAVE SENSE OF MORALITY (WHICH I SUSPECT!) AND CIVILITY THEN YOU SHOULD NOW SHUT THE F*** UP!!!!
@ Sher: Your puking mouth uttered this – "…Nimrata ji, go back to school and re-read history."
When I showed you your true face through the below reference, you got away like a dog:
QUOTE
"In his engaging essays from The Argumentative Indian: Writings on Indian History, Culture and Identity (Farrar Straus and Giroux, 2005), Nobel Laureate Dr. Amartya Sen lucidly explains the strategy behind the attempts of Hindutva supporters to re-invent India’s history,…"
UNQUOTE
However this is not your mistake because you DON'T THINK NOR YOU CARE TO SEE THE WORLD OUTSIDE HINDUTVA. YOU JUST ACT ON WHAT YOUR MASTERS AKA RSS [Radical, Satanic, Sangh] HAVE TAUGHT YOU – THE LESSONS THEY GIVE YOU ARE THE START AND ALSO END OF THE HISTORY CUM FACTS FOR YOU. YOU KNOW HINDUTVA AND NOTHING ELSE. PERIOD.
ENOUGH OF YOUR FALTU AND JHOOTE RANTS, LET ME SHOW THE TRUE FACE OF THE HINDU AND HINDUTVA TO THE READERS THROUGH THESE ARTICLES.
"http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/30/opinion/30FRIE.html" —-> YEAH BABY, THIS IS NYTIMES.COM SHOWING THE REAL FACE OF HINDU PROPAGANDISTS
"http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/jun/15/india.schoolsworldwide" —> AND THIS IS GUARDIAN.CO.UK SHOWING THE TRUE COLOURS OF HINDUS
"http://www.atimes.com/ind-pak/AJ30Df02.html"
"http://india-facts.com/news/hindu-terror/20081225104/indias-hindu-groups-three-bodies-one-soul/"
"http://indianterrorism.bravepages.com/extremist%20funding.htm" —> HINDU EXTREMIST GROUPS RECEIVING FUNDS FROM HINDUS IN EUROPE AND NORTH AMERICA
"http://www.hindu.com/2007/02/14/stories/2007021415630400.htm" —-> SEE HOW HINDUS ARE PROMOTING HATRED AGAINST DALITS AND MINORITIES IN STATE FUNDED SCHOOLS
THERE ARE SO MANY NEWS ARTICLES AND OPINIONS ABOUT THE HINDUS AND HINDUTVA CHANGING HISTORY, OR SPREADING HATRED AGAINST MINORITIES, FURTHERING THEIR PROPAGANDA IN INDIA THROUGH GOVERNMENT MACHINERY….just read these below links which contain links to multiple such fact based opinions and articles.
"http://www.sacw.net/HateEducation/index.html"
"http://indianterrorism.bravepages.com/hindufundamentalismindex.htm"
@ Sher: IF YOU HAVE SENSE OF MORALITY (WHICH I SUSPECT!) AND CIVILITY THEN YOU SHOULD NOW SHUT THE F*** UP!!!!